Zone1 Another question to ponder.

[Quantrill]

You believe lie because thats what you were told to believe. No one tells me what to believe.

No, I believe the Bible. The Word of God. As I have showed.

I never said you have to believe it. I already know you don't believe it.

Yet you act like your words are the words of God. And you can't support them because they are just your words. I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm telling you your words are full of shit. Believe whatever you like.

Quantrill

 

[Slyhunter]

Or you could just admit to doing evil.

increasing Medicaid is good for me because I need it but bad for the country because it's wasting money on the unproductive.
no taxes on tips is good to some, but evil for others.

 

[Slyhunter]

By saying the universe providing for it's creatures is an accident, you are proving you are not agnostic and that you lied when you said it was possible that a moralistic and providential Creator created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

I say it is possible. Agnostic is about not taking sides.

 

[Slyhunter]

Mathematically, with truly infinite monkeys, typewriters, and time, they would eventually produce Shakespeare's complete works with probability 1, but recent studies show that in our finite universe, even with countless monkeys typing for eons, the chance is astronomically small, essentially impossible, far exceeding the universe's lifespan. The classic theorem highlights probability, but real-world constraints (finite time, atoms, energy) make it practically impossible, meaning we're more likely to see "infinite broken typewriters" first.

ho says the Universe is finite?

 

[Slyhunter]

No, my faith results in another ability to know. My faith results in another form of reason. A knowledge and reason that come from God.

Your 'logic' and 'actual proof' are based only on the material, the natural. You don't have the ability to 'know' the things of God.

Quantrill

Faith = wishful thinking = Fantasy.
The way you wish/hope things are not ho they really are.

 

[Hafar1014]

I say it is possible. Agnostic is about not taking sides.

increasing Medicaid is good for me because I need it but bad for the country because it's wasting money on the unproductive.
no taxes on tips is good to some, but evil for others.

You

Faith = wishful thinking = Fantasy.
The way you wish/hope things are not ho they really are.

I take the side of Quantrill, If you dont have hope you aint got nothing. Hope and the faith in yourself is the belief you can accomplish a goal that you know you cant and then you do it.
If you dont have hope you have despair.
His faith gives him hope and inner strength. Sometimes life demands we leap beyond logic and go for it

 

[BULLDOG]

I agree that the universe popping into existence, not filled with only radiation, not being created from existing matter or energy and being finely tuned to produce intelligence is as unlikely to accidentally happen as it is for a monkey to type a Shakespeare

The odds are pretty low, but it is still a possibility. However, when the only other option is that a sky fairy created everything but screwed up so bad that he had to kill them all and start over, it doesn't sound that bad.

 

[BULLDOG]

Was it a nit or did he make two statements that were mutually exclusive and that was what I was pointing out?

If it wasn't a nit, it would do till you found a nit. Looked pretty nitish to me.

 

[TNHarley]

No, my faith results in another ability to know. My faith results in another form of reason. A knowledge and reason that come from God.

Your 'logic' and 'actual proof' are based only on the material, the natural. You don't have the ability to 'know' the things of God.

Quantrill

There is nothing reasonable about your religion.

 

[Quantrill]

Faith = wishful thinking = Fantasy.
The way you wish/hope things are not ho they really are.

Believe as you wish. But, you don't know that.

I believe what the Bible says, and I know it is true.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

There is nothing reasonable about your religion.

That is according to 'man's reason' alone. And is based upon man who doesn't believe in God. Which he doesn't have to.

I have often wondered, why does the unbeliever expect God to be like sinful man? If, for the sake of argument, God doesn't think, act, like sinful man, then He is 'unreasonable'.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I take the side of Quantrill, If you dont have hope you aint got nothing. Hope and the faith in yourself is the belief you can accomplish a goal that you know you cant and then you do it.
If you dont have hope you have despair.
His faith gives him hope and inner strength. Sometimes life demands we leap beyond logic and go for it

Except I don't have hope and faith in myself. Quite the contrary. My hope and faith is in God. In Jesus Christ.

The faith you describe is nothing more than man believing in himself. What a disappointment.

If what one puts their faith in isn't so, then their faith is empty and powerless.

Quantrill

 

[ding]

increasing Medicaid is good for me because I need it but bad for the country because it's wasting money on the unproductive.
no taxes on tips is good to some, but evil for others.

Those are horrible analogies for good and evil. Try making that comparison with violent crimes like rape and murder.

 

[Slyhunter]

Believe as you wish. But, you don't know that.

I believe what the Bible says, and I know it is true.

Quantrill

For my Mothers sake I hope there is a eternal bliss because she's earned it.

 

[ding]

I say it is possible. Agnostic is about not taking sides.

But you did take a side. You said the universe providing for its creatures is an accident. And you did so after stating that it is possible a moralistic and providential Creator created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise. If it were possible a moralistic and providential Creator created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise, then the universe providing for its creatures wouldn't be an accident.

Agnostic isn't about not taking sides. Agnostic is about believing that nothing can be known one way or the other concerning God. By arguing it's an accident that the universe provides for its creatures you are saying you know it's not due to God.

 

[Slyhunter]

Those are horrible analogies for good and evil. Try making that comparison with violent crimes like rape and murder.

We used to get our daughters married at puberty to much older men with jobs that could support a family. Cultures still do that's Sci-fi always depicts free sex among the young with no repercussions. The French believed older men should train their daughters how to bee goo in bed so young over anxious men wouldn't ruin them. Then the girls would train thee boys with their new found knowledge. Muslims practice it. It as considered normal not evil until we started with the High school education and suddenly it's evil.

Don't get me wrong I understand the need to protect the innocent from abusive predators. But it as not always this way, especially not in biblical times with all their concubines.


Is that a better metaphor?

 

[ding]

ho says the Universe is finite?

The CMB which is the physical evidence that the universe began. Not to mention the expanding universe, FLoT, quantum mechanics and the solutions to Einstein's field equations. The universe had a beginning. If the universe had a beginning, it can't be infinite.

 

[ding]

Faith = wishful thinking = Fantasy.
The way you wish/hope things are not ho they really are.

Faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I don't know many people who put complete trust in something or someone without good reason. Do you?

 

[ding]

We used to get our daughters married at puberty to much older men with jobs that could support a family. Cultures still do that's Sci-fi always depicts free sex among the young with no repercussions. The French believed older men should train their daughters how to bee goo in bed so young over anxious men wouldn't ruin them. Then the girls would train thee boys with their new found knowledge. Muslims practice it. It as considered normal not evil until we started with the High school education and suddenly it's evil.

Don't get me wrong I understand the need to protect the innocent from abusive predators. But it as not always this way, especially not in biblical times with all their concubines.


Is that a better metaphor?

No. Not really. Try making that argument with violent crimes like rape and murder.

 

[ding]

The odds are pretty low, but it is still a possibility. However, when the only other option is that a sky fairy created everything but screwed up so bad that he had to kill them all and start over, it doesn't sound that bad.

The odds aren't pretty low, they are practically zero. And it's not a sky fairy but the constant presence of mind. I don't believe in sky fairies either.