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[Meister]

Oh please, union workers can learn other crafts too. Stop generalizing so much. If you have situations were you can spotlight your case, use them.

Dev, why don't you look at the post I was addressing. I was more detailed than that post, and refuted what he was suggesting that unions do a better job. I basically say no, it isn't like that with mid to larger businesses. Don't like, well that's too bad.

I'm sorry. Getting lazy.

Just sit on your ass, I'll get the job done.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I'm just writing what I hear! Take a poll among the Conservatives right here on this board. Ask just one question at a time. Start with "ACLU: beneficial organization or detriment to American society?"

Next try "Organized labor: benefit to workers or hindrance to commerce?"

I wonder how many times the word "hate" enters the fray?

ACLU: Definit detriment to society, which by the way was founded by a communist, figures!!!!
Organized labor: Good for the worker detriment to society.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I'm just writing what I hear! Take a poll among the Conservatives right here on this board. Ask just one question at a time. Start with "ACLU: beneficial organization or detriment to American society?"

Next try "Organized labor: benefit to workers or hindrance to commerce?"

I wonder how many times the word "hate" enters the fray?

ACLU: Definit detriment to society, which by the way was founded by a communist, figures!!!!
Organized labor: Good for the worker detriment to society.

Explain how that isn't the blatant contradiction that it appears to be to me.

How can something be good for the workers but detrimental to society? Do you mean detrimental to the top 1%?

The vast majority of "society" is workers, not management.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I'm just writing what I hear! Take a poll among the Conservatives right here on this board. Ask just one question at a time. Start with "ACLU: beneficial organization or detriment to American society?"

Next try "Organized labor: benefit to workers or hindrance to commerce?"

I wonder how many times the word "hate" enters the fray?

ACLU: Definit detriment to society, which by the way was founded by a communist, figures!!!!
Organized labor: Good for the worker detriment to society.

ACLU: Saved that hemorrhoid asshole Rush Limbaugh, who btw had no scruples accepting the socialist defenders when his fat white ass was on the line.

 

[Foxfyre]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Usually when I see a thread with this many prejudicial erroneous assumptions along with logical fallacies in the OP, I bypass it as just another troll thread. But I'll give it a shot.

Conservatives don't hate organized labor. Conservatives do support the free market system and take seriously the Constitutional principle of unalienable rights among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They oppose having to pay to join some group in order to work or such group receiving government favoritism and payola.

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Conservative cherish personal liberty above all other and reject 'civil liberties' that translate into license for the Federal Government to control what people eat, what car they drive, what is acceptable to learn in school, who is worthy to receive assistance and who isn't, what people can hear over the radio or television, what sort of heating/cooling they can have, what they are allowed to earn or must earn, etc. etc. etc. Conservatives are 100% behind civil liberties that afford equal opportunity to try to all people, and in fact were the ones who demanded such a policy in this country.

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Oh yeah. That is why it is mostly conservatives founding and staffing, day in and day out, all those homeless shelters, soup kitchens, thrift shops, Salvation Army centers, community centers for kids, leper colonies, year round ministries to some of the world's poorest and most desperate people, etc. etc. etc. Conservatives also do not oppose unemployment benefits. They do oppose a government who presumes to take property from Citizen A in order to give it to Citizen B, initiatives that make it more likely that others will be out of work or unable to get work, and gross fiscal irresponsibility.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

Conservatives know that the only environmentalism that produces lasting and widespread results is prosperity. People who don't have to worry about their next meal or keeping a roof over their head are the people who demand clean air, clean water, clean soil, and aesthetic beauty. Conservatives are interested in raising the tide for all the boats, but know those boats have to be untethered and free floating, or that rising tide will sink them.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

If you were playing devil's advocate I'll forgive you for this thread. If you really believe the nonsensical statements you used for a thread starter, however, I doubt anything I would say would get through the fog.

 

[AmericanFirst]

In my experience, organized labor has provided the best workers for the job. I conducted many, many environmental remediations in my time. Whenever I had crews with union cards, I saw responsible workers taking all the precautions and doing an excellent job. Non-union workers, on the other hand, seemed like 'beer buddy labor' in their understanding of the hazards and execution of the tasks.

I am a conservative. I think unions are good for certain things and bad for others. When it comes to protecting the workers from abuse by the employers I think that is where they are needed. My problem with them is the political side. They should not use your dues to support a candidate no ,matter what side they are on. That was my beef with my union, openle supporting someone I could not support a candidate when it went against my values like alot of the liberals do. Thank goodness I am no longer a union member, my money stays in my pocket!

Why shouldn't Unions use their rights to free speech (since money = speech, right?) just like corporations do?

Not when they use your money but not representing you.

 

[beowolfe]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Franklin D. Roosevelt, elected to the presidency in 1932, came forth with government programs called the New Deal. New Deal liberalism meant the promotion of social welfare, labor unions, civil rights, and regulation of business. The opponents, who stressed long-term growth, support for business, and low taxes, started calling themselves "conservatives."

So, you see, it is not that conservatives hate organized labor, it's just that people who were in the pockets of big business began calling themselves 'conservatives'. And it continues today.

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

It's not 'just conservatives' that seemingly hate civil liberties. It's the conservative inheritors of the philosophy that led to the split of the democratic party after the passage of the Civil rights act in the 1960's.

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

See #1. They were already in the pockets of the rich, so they naturally don't think very much about the economically disadvantaged.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

See #1 again. They think big business knows best despite the decades of pollution history showing the contrary.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I am a conservative. I think unions are good for certain things and bad for others. When it comes to protecting the workers from abuse by the employers I think that is where they are needed. My problem with them is the political side. They should not use your dues to support a candidate no ,matter what side they are on. That was my beef with my union, openle supporting someone I could not support a candidate when it went against my values like alot of the liberals do. Thank goodness I am no longer a union member, my money stays in my pocket!

Why shouldn't Unions use their rights to free speech (since money = speech, right?) just like corporations do?

Not when they use your money but not representing you.

Then vote new union leadership in, or find a new job. Isn't that how democracy and the free market work?

 

[Rambunctious]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Conservatives don't hate organized labor we hate what organized labor does to the company's and the government agency's it inhabits. I would venture to say that 75% of private company's that hire union only labor are in the red at this time.
Of course non of us can name a government agency that runs smooth, and please don't say the military because it's not a union corp and take it from me it runs each and every way but smooth.
Oh sure if you work for a union that's great for you but the rest of us are sick of paying $12,000 more than we should for a car or truck for example to pay for a union workers inflated and obscene retirement package.

 

[MaggieMae]

Why are reactionaries allowed to hide behind the label "conservative"?

I agree. I wish they would pick a name for themselves. I was reading an article last night about the "Oathers" and thought that might be a good one, but seems those people have a goal in mind of paramlitary insurrection as their top priority, so a new name would need to cover more of the new conservative ideals.

 

[MaggieMae]

Since when has organized labor actually done any labor? I think thats the problem. They want people to get paid for doing absolutely nothing. Then they bully, intimidate, threaten, extort and engage in other activities that in any other circumstances would put them in jail for 5-10 years.

BTW Conservatives dont hate anything. We are just tired of special interests groups trying to remake our Republic into something else.

I guess you (and everybody else) should have thought about that a long, long time ago. It's like being morbidly obese and instead of doing the hard work to get rid of it gradually, saying "I'm tired of being fat and just want someone to slice it off." Then throwing tantrums when it doesn't happen like that.

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

What a bunch of bogus straw man questions. They don't deserve the dignity of a response - they are just "when did you stop beating your wife" accusations.

Yes, much like those "You must be a liberal if..." threads, which usually garner hundreds of responses from the right. On that note, I'll add to the OP: Why are conservatives such hypocrites?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I am a conservative. I think unions are good for certain things and bad for others. When it comes to protecting the workers from abuse by the employers I think that is where they are needed. My problem with them is the political side. They should not use your dues to support a candidate no ,matter what side they are on. That was my beef with my union, openle supporting someone I could not support a candidate when it went against my values like alot of the liberals do. Thank goodness I am no longer a union member, my money stays in my pocket!

Why shouldn't Unions use their rights to free speech (since money = speech, right?) just like corporations do?

Not when they use your money but not representing you.

hey stupid...a group represents a consensus, not each individual.

get a friggin' education.

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

I think that it is HATE itself that attracts the conservatives.

it doesn't matter what the object of that hate is.

for the past 20 years (or more) conservatives spinmeisters have been promoting and defending HATRED of various subjects/proups of people that are percieved as "liberal"

rush limbaugh; "I'll tell you who to HATE....liberals, feminists, environmentalists, homosexual activists...
we are at WAR with liberalism
in war it is OK to HATE your enemies"

and with JUSTIFIED HATRED come perks.....

like INSULTS, PERSONAL ATTACKS, MOCKERY

so
for conservatives, HATING LIBERALS affords them the opportunity to engage in activities that they enjoy the most; personal destruction of other people

if ann coulter and rush limbaugh ever decided that chocolate cake was the enemy of America then they would merely inform their listeners/readers of the evils of chocolate cake and why chocolate cake does NOT deserve ANY respect and their mindless minions would rub their hands together and set about mocking, ridiculing, insulting and HATING all chocolate cakes

That's the face of Conservative 'punditry', but I wonder what the rank and file Conservative thinks.

I know that some Conservatives are strongly motivated by hatred. It makes me wonder why and how anyone could embrace such and ideology and then call themselves "Christian".

Here's my problem with the flame-throwing conservatives continuing to just call themselves conservatives. Almost all of my family has traditionally been Republican, which means fiscally and culturally conservative BUT socially liberal in that they recognized the growing inequities in, for example, obtaining even basic education, based solely on class structure. So those family members still around who still like to vote Republican when there's a "decent one" on the ballot (as my politically savvy cousin says), they shudder these days at being lumped into this "conservative" movement which is, as you say, so full of hatred for anyone who isn't a member of their group think. For that reason alone, all but one have reluctantly voted for the Democrat.

 

[Oddball]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

Why do Fabian socialist whack jobs think that the 1,000,000,001st intellectually vapid strawman argument is going to be any more effective or hold any more water than the 1,000,000,000th?

I'll defer on the all-too-easy potshots having to do with scabs for those who need the practice.

 

[MaggieMae]

What is it with women at this site?

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

There are a few on this board who put a whole new face on "Mean Girls" that's for sure. Actually, CG only recently joined the clique as I recall.

 

[MaggieMae]

Too funny seeing lefties liberals talking about others who don't think like them as being, HATE.

they have the patent sewn up for hate, hater, hating, haten, just plain ole ugly HATE ON.

How so?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor?

Because they tend to be bourgeoisie, petty bourgeoisie, or their useful idiots.

Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity?

Actually, bourgeois liberalism and capitalism do, in fact, consider labour a commodity.

See: human resources; labour power

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties?

Because it is the ruling class that seeks to conserve the system.

Worker protection laws increase cost. Hence child slave labour in Indonesia, China, and elsewhere.

see: 'Free trade'; outsourcing

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism?

Same as the above. Environmental protection increases costs and lowers profit margin.

The Corporation

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Why are reactionaries allowed to hide behind the label "conservative"?

The terms are equivalent.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Reactionaries/conservatives like to re-define political terms to suit themselves.

and of course people on the other side dont do that....do they?...