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[Procrustes Stretched]

What is it with women at this site?

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

 

[California Girl]

What is it with women at this site?

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I know what you mean. We are wayyy smarter than the guys. I guess you're just lucky.

 

[Nosmo King]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I'm just writing what I hear! Take a poll among the Conservatives right here on this board. Ask just one question at a time. Start with "ACLU: beneficial organization or detriment to American society?"

Next try "Organized labor: benefit to workers or hindrance to commerce?"

I wonder how many times the word "hate" enters the fray?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

What is it with women at this site?

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I know what you mean. We are wayyy smarter than the guys. I guess you're just lucky.

ouch!

my bad. I'm a bad boy. Punish me.

 

[Stephanie]

Too funny seeing lefties liberals talking about others who don't think like them as being, HATE.

they have the patent sewn up for hate, hater, hating, haten, just plain ole ugly HATE ON.

 

[California Girl]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I'm just writing what I hear! Take a poll among the Conservatives right here on this board. Ask just one question at a time. Start with "ACLU: beneficial organization or detriment to American society?"

Next try "Organized labor: benefit to workers or hindrance to commerce?"

I wonder how many times the word "hate" enters the fray?

You're the one who used the word 'hate', not I. Hate is a lame word used by lame people who cannot comprehend another's point of view.

ACLU - Detriment to American Society. Used to serve a purpose. Now, it is corrupt.

Organized Labor: Both. I prefer that Unions and Corporations learn the value each other instead of seeing the other as the enemy to be beaten. Because both lose. Workers without jobs are poor, corporations without decent workers go bankrupt.

See how that works? Both have valid view points. However, Unions such as SEIU should be disbanded because, again, they have corrupted their core principles. Worth bearing in mind that, without those evil businesses and profit, union workers get nothing.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Too funny seeing lefties liberals talking about others who don't think like them as being, HATE.

they have the patent sewn up for hate, hater, hating, haten, just plain ole ugly HATE ON.

It's odd that you would deny individual crazies and terrorists who are conservative by nature, entry into your ranks or into the GOP, but you include every leftist whacko into the liberal ranks and the DNC.

case in point, Code Pink. They are not liberals and were never friends of any Democratic Party.

your faux outrage is matched only by your faux humor

 

[Nosmo King]

Too funny seeing lefties liberals talking about others who don't think like them as being, HATE.

they have the patent sewn up for hate, hater, hating, haten, just plain ole ugly HATE ON.

Really? Are you saying Conservatives gather together to sing "Kumbya" and promote understanding amongst the peoples of the Earth? Please!

If there ain't a profit in it, Conservatives ain't buyin'!

 

[Meister]

I've had jobs that were union jobs, and I have had jobs that weren't.
With unions they can protect a bad seed, or one that doesn't have the work ethics for the job. One union worker works his butt off getting X amount in dollars, and another union worker who is a lazy asshole getting paid the same amount in dollars as the other one. yeah, that really seems fair to me.
It kind of reminds me of a socialism with the mindset.
Non union jobs is where the employer can weed out the bad apple to make his production much more efficient with employees.

 

[Nosmo King]

I've had jobs that were union jobs, and I have had jobs that weren't.
With unions they can protect a bad seed, or one that doesn't have the work ethics for the job. One union worker works his butt off getting X amount in dollars, and another union worker who is a lazy asshole getting paid the same amount in dollars as the other one. yeah, that really seems fair to me.
It kind of reminds me of a socialism with the mindset.
Non union jobs is where the employer can weed out the bad apple to make his production much more efficient with employees.

Being arbitrary fired is one protection unions afford. But, more importantly, unions also provide valuable training and safety lessons. Apprenticeship programs is one of the most effective ways to learn a craft.

 

[Meister]

I've had jobs that were union jobs, and I have had jobs that weren't.
With unions they can protect a bad seed, or one that doesn't have the work ethics for the job. One union worker works his butt off getting X amount in dollars, and another union worker who is a lazy asshole getting paid the same amount in dollars as the other one. yeah, that really seems fair to me.
It kind of reminds me of a socialism with the mindset.
Non union jobs is where the employer can weed out the bad apple to make his production much more efficient with employees.

Being arbitrary fired is one protection unions afford. But, more importantly, unions also provide valuable training and safety lessons. Apprenticeship programs is one of the most effective ways to learn a craft.

And?.......
The non union labor force also has the opportunity to learn crafts....in all areas.
There are guidelines to being fired with most businesses, you are given opportunites to correct the issue....just like a 3 strike and your out.
Safety is an issue with any job and there are training seminars with the larger businesses.
There are safety captains and such with the mid to larger non union establishments

 

[Diuretic]

Organized Labor: Both. I prefer that Unions and Corporations learn the value each other instead of seeing the other as the enemy to be beaten. Because both lose. Workers without jobs are poor, corporations without decent workers go bankrupt.

Unions, well if they're led by people with a brain, understand that their interests coincide with corporations, there's a symbiosis. US unions, untrammelled by political ideology, are highly cognisant of this fact. Corporations, on the other hand, would prefer that unions didn't exist. So if anyone sees an enemy then it's in the eye of the corporations, not the unions.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I've had jobs that were union jobs, and I have had jobs that weren't.
With unions they can protect a bad seed, or one that doesn't have the work ethics for the job. One union worker works his butt off getting X amount in dollars, and another union worker who is a lazy asshole getting paid the same amount in dollars as the other one. yeah, that really seems fair to me.

It kind of reminds me of a socialism with the mindset.

Non union jobs is where the employer can weed out the bad apple to make his production much more efficient with employees.

really? You are coming from the place of the employer. Unions are good for workers. They can also be good for employers, but it usually an adversarial relationship..like government and the press. Not evil, just necessary. The nature of the beast.

I have started a few small businesses. Too small to employ enough for a union. I did work as management with union employees.

The union usually had management over a barrel because management hired the wrong people to begin with,

I argued with experts and hiring dopes...my street smarts and intuition beat their models almost every time.

as far as your socialism ref, society itself is socialist using that logic.
Lazy management keeps bad workers.

Small business men need not worry about unions and bad workers.

I've worked many non union jobs. My pay scale was always put up against union scale. The lower the union scale pay, the lower my pay. Union pay scales are the only economic model I've seen in action where trickle down actually works.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I've had jobs that were union jobs, and I have had jobs that weren't.
With unions they can protect a bad seed, or one that doesn't have the work ethics for the job. One union worker works his butt off getting X amount in dollars, and another union worker who is a lazy asshole getting paid the same amount in dollars as the other one. yeah, that really seems fair to me.
It kind of reminds me of a socialism with the mindset.
Non union jobs is where the employer can weed out the bad apple to make his production much more efficient with employees.

Being arbitrary fired is one protection unions afford. But, more importantly, unions also provide valuable training and safety lessons. Apprenticeship programs is one of the most effective ways to learn a craft.

And?.......
The non union labor force also has the opportunity to learn crafts....in all areas.
There are guidelines to being fired with most businesses, you are given opportunites to correct the issue....just like a 3 strike and your out.
Safety is an issue with any job and there are training seminars with the larger businesses.
There are safety captains and such with the mid to larger non union establishments

Oh please, union workers can learn other crafts too. Stop generalizing so much. If you have situations were you can spotlight your case, use them.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan was endorsed by the Teamsters. So, Reagan conservatism is hostile towards unions unless they are corrupt enough to meet conservative standards.

 

[Meister]

Being arbitrary fired is one protection unions afford. But, more importantly, unions also provide valuable training and safety lessons. Apprenticeship programs is one of the most effective ways to learn a craft.

And?.......
The non union labor force also has the opportunity to learn crafts....in all areas.
There are guidelines to being fired with most businesses, you are given opportunites to correct the issue....just like a 3 strike and your out.
Safety is an issue with any job and there are training seminars with the larger businesses.
There are safety captains and such with the mid to larger non union establishments

Oh please, union workers can learn other crafts too. Stop generalizing so much. If you have situations were you can spotlight your case, use them.

Dev, why don't you look at the post I was addressing. I was more detailed than that post, and refuted what he was suggesting that unions do a better job. I basically say no, it isn't like that with mid to larger businesses. Don't like, well that's too bad.

 

[CMike]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

Why are your premises so incorrect?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Since when has organized labor actually done any labor? I think thats the problem. They want people to get paid for doing absolutely nothing. Then they bully, intimidate, threaten, extort and engage in other activities that in any other circumstances would put them in jail for 5-10 years.

BTW Conservatives dont hate anything. We are just tired of special interests groups trying to remake our Republic into something else.

In my experience, organized labor has provided the best workers for the job. I conducted many, many environmental remediations in my time. Whenever I had crews with union cards, I saw responsible workers taking all the precautions and doing an excellent job. Non-union workers, on the other hand, seemed like 'beer buddy labor' in their understanding of the hazards and execution of the tasks.

I am a conservative. I think unions are good for certain things and bad for others. When it comes to protecting the workers from abuse by the employers I think that is where they are needed. My problem with them is the political side. They should not use your dues to support a candidate no ,matter what side they are on. That was my beef with my union, openle supporting someone I could not support a candidate when it went against my values like alot of the liberals do. Thank goodness I am no longer a union member, my money stays in my pocket!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

And?.......
The non union labor force also has the opportunity to learn crafts....in all areas.
There are guidelines to being fired with most businesses, you are given opportunites to correct the issue....just like a 3 strike and your out.
Safety is an issue with any job and there are training seminars with the larger businesses.
There are safety captains and such with the mid to larger non union establishments

Oh please, union workers can learn other crafts too. Stop generalizing so much. If you have situations were you can spotlight your case, use them.

Dev, why don't you look at the post I was addressing. I was more detailed than that post, and refuted what he was suggesting that unions do a better job. I basically say no, it isn't like that with mid to larger businesses. Don't like, well that's too bad.

I'm sorry. Getting lazy.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Since when has organized labor actually done any labor? I think thats the problem. They want people to get paid for doing absolutely nothing. Then they bully, intimidate, threaten, extort and engage in other activities that in any other circumstances would put them in jail for 5-10 years.

BTW Conservatives dont hate anything. We are just tired of special interests groups trying to remake our Republic into something else.

In my experience, organized labor has provided the best workers for the job. I conducted many, many environmental remediations in my time. Whenever I had crews with union cards, I saw responsible workers taking all the precautions and doing an excellent job. Non-union workers, on the other hand, seemed like 'beer buddy labor' in their understanding of the hazards and execution of the tasks.

I am a conservative. I think unions are good for certain things and bad for others. When it comes to protecting the workers from abuse by the employers I think that is where they are needed. My problem with them is the political side. They should not use your dues to support a candidate no ,matter what side they are on. That was my beef with my union, openle supporting someone I could not support a candidate when it went against my values like alot of the liberals do. Thank goodness I am no longer a union member, my money stays in my pocket!

Why shouldn't Unions use their rights to free speech (since money = speech, right?) just like corporations do?