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[Oddball]

Why are reactionaries allowed to hide behind the label "conservative"?

Possibly the same reason communists hide behind the terms "liberal" and "progressive"?

Door swings both ways, Bubba....Careful you don't get bashed on the nose with it.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Since when has organized labor actually done any labor?

Ask our friends from the Appalachian company towns.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why are reactionaries allowed to hide behind the label "conservative"?

Newt Gingrich once bragged about being reactionary.

go figure

i remember when Dante called himself a "liberal prick".....should i go figure?.....

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

What a bunch of bogus straw man questions. They don't deserve the dignity of a response.

-she says in her response....

 

[Harry Dresden]

If you follow conservative policies, you get the feeling they hate this country. The truth is, they think they are "protecting" it.

If you give corporations, the "father" of all jobs and security, everything they want, they will give us jobs and protect us.

God gave the world to conservatives, they can mess it up and dirty it as much as they want because it's a gift from God.

They only want to clamp down on free speech and human rights so they can protect "liberty".

Education will lead you away from God.

We need to return the country to a previous time when it was much more "moral". When blacks were slaves, women couldn't vote and gays were too scared to come out of the closet. Ah, the good old days.

If we went back to the 7 day work week, then we would be too tired to sin and too busy to complain.

If we voided child labor laws, we could keep better track of our children. We would know where they are, at work, where they are supposed to be.

we need to return to the days when people with Deans mindset were nothing but little obnoxious twits that nobody on either side of the political spectrum paid any attention too....

 

[MaggieMae]

Since when has organized labor actually done any labor? I think thats the problem. They want people to get paid for doing absolutely nothing. Then they bully, intimidate, threaten, extort and engage in other activities that in any other circumstances would put them in jail for 5-10 years.

BTW Conservatives dont hate anything. We are just tired of special interests groups trying to remake our Republic into something else.

In my experience, organized labor has provided the best workers for the job. I conducted many, many environmental remediations in my time. Whenever I had crews with union cards, I saw responsible workers taking all the precautions and doing an excellent job. Non-union workers, on the other hand, seemed like 'beer buddy labor' in their understanding of the hazards and execution of the tasks.

I am a conservative. I think unions are good for certain things and bad for others. When it comes to protecting the workers from abuse by the employers I think that is where they are needed. My problem with them is the political side. They should not use your dues to support a candidate no ,matter what side they are on. That was my beef with my union, openle supporting someone I could not support a candidate when it went against my values like alot of the liberals do. Thank goodness I am no longer a union member, my money stays in my pocket!

The US Chamber of Commerce, which collects dues from its member businesses and industry also uses those dues to support candidates, usually Republicans, and the USCC has a gigantic network of lobbyists, all paid for by those dues.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Next try "Organized labor: benefit to workers or hindrance to commerce?"
?

Both, if you're referring strictly to capitalist commerce.

More important question: Are the unions today the unions who fought for workers' rights, or have they become yet another class of greedy bastards who put their own desires before everyone elses' wellbeing, to the point of bankrupting the many for the good of the few.

I say it's the latter. The unions betrayed the cause they once fought for and are now locked in a struggle with the corporations not for human rights and a better future, but over who gets to line their pockets while screwing everyone else.

Kinda like how Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were corrupted by their first taste of power.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The man who kills his wife and children because he loses a job and cannot provide (he ignores reality) believes he is saving his family.

Save me from the saviors.

Would such a man be more likely to be a Republican or a Democrat?

hey Dean was that Killer Whale that killed that girl last week a Republican or a Democrat?.....just wonderin.....

 

[Annie]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

Have to agree, was a flame thread from beginning. LOL!

 

[MaggieMae]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

I'm just writing what I hear! Take a poll among the Conservatives right here on this board. Ask just one question at a time. Start with "ACLU: beneficial organization or detriment to American society?"

Next try "Organized labor: benefit to workers or hindrance to commerce?"

I wonder how many times the word "hate" enters the fray?

ACLU: Definit detriment to society, which by the way was founded by a communist, figures!!!!
Organized labor: Good for the worker detriment to society.

The ACLU wins some, loses some. You never hear about the latter. But they're in the business of protecting individual rights, which is what I thought all you people were so gung ho over anyway. After all, didn't Rush Limbaugh use the ACLU to plead his case about the media snooping into his medical records?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

hey Dean was that Killer Whale that killed that girl last week a Republican or a Democrat?.....just wonderin.....

The classification of whales puzzled early researchers even though cetaceans roamed the ocean long before recorded history

Killer Whales: Scientific Classification


goddam independents...

 

[Harry Dresden]

The man who kills his wife and children because he loses a job and cannot provide (he ignores reality) believes he is saving his family.

Save me from the saviors.

Would such a man be more likely to be a Republican or a Democrat?

If I were to bet, I'd have to go with unregistered independent. A loner type. Angry, white, limited education, inferiority complexes out of this world...

not the answer Deano was looking for Dante....he was sure you were going to say his favorite word....

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Conservatives don't hate organized labor we hate what organized labor does to the company's and the government agency's it inhabits. I would venture to say that 75% of private company's that hire union only labor are in the red at this time.
Of course non of us can name a government agency that runs smooth, and please don't say the military because it's not a union corp and take it from me it runs each and every way but smooth.
Oh sure if you work for a union that's great for you but the rest of us are sick of paying $12,000 more than we should for a car or truck for example to pay for a union workers inflated and obscene retirement package.

Actually, the Social Security Administration and Medicare are run very smoothly. Their only problem is that people are living longer (collecting SS) because of medical breakthroughs (paid by Medicare). Catch-22 that no one foresaw.

Regarding union wages in the auto industry, it's the health care provided that has created the biggest bulge. So there's the segue to skyrocketing health care, again.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

What a bunch of bogus straw man questions. They don't deserve the dignity of a response - they are just "when did you stop beating your wife" accusations.

I don't think they're strawmen, I mean this one - Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand? - is a good question. However it's a closed question which limits its usefulness, I'll concede that. But conservatives and reactionaries do hate organised labour and they want it dismantled and they want to see workers exposed to the twin laws of supply and demand because they believe that's how things should be.

then why are many conservatives in labor unions?......maybe you should say ....some conservatives....dont be like Rdean Di and blanket everybody for the actions of a few....i belong to a labor Union that is estimated to be 35-40% republican....

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

Why do Fabian socialist whack jobs think that the 1,000,000,001st intellectually vapid strawman argument is going to be any more effective or hold any more water than the 1,000,000,000th?

I'll defer on the all-too-easy potshots having to do with scabs for those who need the practice.

I think I'm going to start calling those "Dude's Daily Dose of Strange."

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why are reactionaries allowed to hide behind the label "conservative"?

Newt Gingrich once bragged about being reactionary.

go figure

i remember when Dante called himself a "liberal prick".....should i go figure?.....

really?

I still am a liberal prick who dishes out liberal prickings to deserving prickly Bushs.

 

[AllieBaba]

Dante is apparently also on acid.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If you follow conservative policies, you get the feeling they hate this country. The truth is, they think they are "protecting" it.

If you give corporations, the "father" of all jobs and security, everything they want, they will give us jobs and protect us.

God gave the world to conservatives, they can mess it up and dirty it as much as they want because it's a gift from God.

They only want to clamp down on free speech and human rights so they can protect "liberty".

Education will lead you away from God.

We need to return the country to a previous time when it was much more "moral". When blacks were slaves, women couldn't vote and gays were too scared to come out of the closet. Ah, the good old days.

If we went back to the 7 day work week, then we would be too tired to sin and too busy to complain.

If we voided child labor laws, we could keep better track of our children. We would know where they are, at work, where they are supposed to be.

we need to return to the days when people with Deans mindset were nothing but little obnoxious twits that nobody on either side of the political spectrum paid any attention too....

are Dean's type all leftists or can you name a few righties here who qualify?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Entertaining as hell what passes for 'current events' these days.

And, as a point of order, just because one disagrees with something does not actually mean one 'hates' it. Only total morons who are unable to grasp basic comprehension struggle with that.

Oh, but I do hate stupidity.

Have to agree, was a flame thread from beginning. LOL!

Most every thread about Obama and Democrats and Liberals is a flame thread.

eat shit

 

[Avatar4321]

Since when has organized labor actually done any labor? I think thats the problem. They want people to get paid for doing absolutely nothing. Then they bully, intimidate, threaten, extort and engage in other activities that in any other circumstances would put them in jail for 5-10 years.

BTW Conservatives dont hate anything. We are just tired of special interests groups trying to remake our Republic into something else.

I guess you (and everybody else) should have thought about that a long, long time ago. It's like being morbidly obese and instead of doing the hard work to get rid of it gradually, saying "I'm tired of being fat and just want someone to slice it off." Then throwing tantrums when it doesn't happen like that.

I've been arguing for the Constitution since I first learned and understood about it.

As for your fat analogy, it works better this way:

Conservatives say we are fat and need to go on a diet.

Liberals say we are fat and need to eat even more.

We need to take care of our Republic or else it's going to collapse. And dont pretend it can't happen. Republics fall frequently. And it takes alot of blood to restore it again.