Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

[silverfoxylassy]

Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Jesus seems to be saying that he is promoting division and war with a number of his sayings that pit father against son and brother against brother.

Jesus advocated division, war and hate; even as some think he preached to love our enemies.

Did Jesus hate and is hate thus a good character trait?

Regards
DL

Since Jesus is God, and yes, God hated Esau because of what he did in the first earth age, then hate is extremely natural. However, GOD expects us to allow Him to take vengeance against those who try to hurt us, and only in war when we are being attacked should we lash out and be willing to kill the enemy. The difference between us and the enemy is that they hated us first.

Nice bunch of lies.

How quickly you have forgotten the Christian murders of their various Inquisition of people who just wanted to go their own way.

You forget that scriptures say that God hated Esau even in the womb.

If all you are going to do is lie to us, keep it up as you do my work of discrediting your religion for me.

Only a delusional mind would say Jesus is God as Jesus died and God cannot.

Regards
DL

God came to us in the flesh as Jesus. Jesus means God with Us. God hated Easu for what he did in the first earth age. He obviously did basically the same things that he did when he was in the flesh, disregarding his birthright. He probably fought against God alongside of satan. And the flesh was created only for a short time wherein we could be tested, thus the flesh being of Jesus had to die in order to make penance to reconciliate us with our creator, God.


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[GreatestIam]

Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Jesus seems to be saying that he is promoting division and war with a number of his sayings that pit father against son and brother against brother.

Jesus advocated division, war and hate; even as some think he preached to love our enemies.

Did Jesus hate and is hate thus a good character trait?

Regards
DL

Jesus just knew that that is the way it would be. Jesus loves everyone. It is evil that God dislikes.

Yet it is the sinner and not the sin that ends in hell, --- so it seems that you have Jesus sending those he says he loved to death, --- while he, if he was the loving God you claim he is, would cure instead of kill. Right?

Regards
DL

He came, and showed us the way. He is a righteous God and must punish sin. You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop. Are you claiming to be more loving than Jesus?

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

God did not put none in His place for making atonement, except Himself. Mankind cannot understand the principle behind being born of flesh, so Christ is called the Son of God, but he is God with Us. And the substitution has to have been made in order to make us worthy of being with God. All have sinned in flesh. Not one person, save Jesus Christ can claim perfection in the flesh. And most here sinned against God in the first earth age, by either warring against Him, or by doing nothing. Only seven thousand fought with God.

Divorce is a sin that is forgivable, so if you repent, and believe in Jesus you are forgiven of that sin. Only murder and rape are not forgiven in the flesh. And really, there were reasons for divorce, because God divorced Israel, so God is a divorcee.

As for hell, it is a condition or state of mind, where in the person who sinned and died, is being held away from God but still in sight of him and those who made it. Thus,the torture is of the mind. At judgment, the soul will be destroyed forever and ever.

Too much faith based un-provable garbage.

Let's look at the morals you preach involved in you putting your responsibilities onto an innocent man.

I have two links one on your grotesque view of God as a child abuser and one that shows what you religion is capable of doing with their satanic morals.





Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Yet it is the sinner and not the sin that ends in hell, --- so it seems that you have Jesus sending those he says he loved to death, --- while he, if he was the loving God you claim he is, would cure instead of kill. Right?

Regards
DL

He came, and showed us the way. He is a righteous God and must punish sin. You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop. Are you claiming to be more loving than Jesus?

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

Hell as defined by words in the Bible is a burning pit, grave, or hades. Hades is a state where the souls reside until judgment. After a soul is judged, they go into the lake of fire, as described in PS 37:20. The soul is destroyed, for ever and ever are they no more.

Strange that scriptures say that God is perfect thus creates perfectly, while you have him killing all those perfect souls.

If scriptures are right, you are wrong.

Regards
DL

God also gave those perfectly created souls free will. For you cannot have true love if it is designed into a soul. Thus, a soul can go evil. And no more are they perfect souls.

Yet you think Jesus and Yahweh to be perfect even after they used genocide and are directly responsible for the 6 day torture and finally the murder of King David's baby. Just to name 2 of many of their immoral acts.

You likely do not care about that as you are all in for punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Stop hiding behind your supernatural blinders and look at the morals you vile God promotes.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Yet it is the sinner and not the sin that ends in hell, --- so it seems that you have Jesus sending those he says he loved to death, --- while he, if he was the loving God you claim he is, would cure instead of kill. Right?

Regards
DL

He came, and showed us the way. He is a righteous God and must punish sin. You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop. Are you claiming to be more loving than Jesus?

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

Hell as defined by words in the Bible is a burning pit, grave, or hades. Hades is a state where the souls reside until judgment. After a soul is judged, they go into the lake of fire, as described in PS 37:20. The soul is destroyed, for ever and ever are they no more.

Strange that scriptures say that God is perfect thus creates perfectly, while you have him killing all those perfect souls.

If scriptures are right, you are wrong.

Regards
DL

God also gave those perfectly created souls free will. For you cannot have true love if it is designed into a soul. Thus, a soul can go evil. And no more are they perfect souls.

Free will? You must be getting desperate.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[silverfoxylassy]

Jesus just knew that that is the way it would be. Jesus loves everyone. It is evil that God dislikes.

Yet it is the sinner and not the sin that ends in hell, --- so it seems that you have Jesus sending those he says he loved to death, --- while he, if he was the loving God you claim he is, would cure instead of kill. Right?

Regards
DL

He came, and showed us the way. He is a righteous God and must punish sin. You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop. Are you claiming to be more loving than Jesus?

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

God did not put none in His place for making atonement, except Himself. Mankind cannot understand the principle behind being born of flesh, so Christ is called the Son of God, but he is God with Us. And the substitution has to have been made in order to make us worthy of being with God. All have sinned in flesh. Not one person, save Jesus Christ can claim perfection in the flesh. And most here sinned against God in the first earth age, by either warring against Him, or by doing nothing. Only seven thousand fought with God.

Divorce is a sin that is forgivable, so if you repent, and believe in Jesus you are forgiven of that sin. Only murder and rape are not forgiven in the flesh. And really, there were reasons for divorce, because God divorced Israel, so God is a divorcee.

As for hell, it is a condition or state of mind, where in the person who sinned and died, is being held away from God but still in sight of him and those who made it. Thus,the torture is of the mind. At judgment, the soul will be destroyed forever and ever.

Too much faith based un-provable garbage.

Let's look at the morals you preach involved in you putting your responsibilities onto an innocent man.

I have two links one on your grotesque view of God as a child abuser and one that shows what you religion is capable of doing with their satanic morals.





Regards
DL

God does not abuse anyone, man does. And once here, everyone is pretty much on their own, thus what happens to them is based on natural calamities, or manmade calamities. God only protects those who are His Elect, who He will be witnessing through when they are being held by satan, the antichrist.

As I stated, man in the flesh is capable of doing wrong. Those who claim to be Christian and commit evil are not what God had in mind. Satan can get into any weak minded soul and cause them to do unthinkable things. And now, I want to watch my TV. Cannot deal with the likes of you for too long without feeling distressed.


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[GreatestIam]

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And the flesh was created only for a short time wherein we could be tested, thus the flesh being of Jesus had to die in order to make penance to reconciliate us with our creator, God.

An all knowing God would not bother testing as he would already know all results. Seems you do not believe God to be all knowing, or think he would waste his time.

"thus the flesh being of Jesus had to die in order to make penance to reconciliate us with our creator, God."

This is an outright lie if you believe the scriptures that refute you.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Regards
DL

 

[silverfoxylassy]

He came, and showed us the way. He is a righteous God and must punish sin. You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop. Are you claiming to be more loving than Jesus?

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

Hell as defined by words in the Bible is a burning pit, grave, or hades. Hades is a state where the souls reside until judgment. After a soul is judged, they go into the lake of fire, as described in PS 37:20. The soul is destroyed, for ever and ever are they no more.

Strange that scriptures say that God is perfect thus creates perfectly, while you have him killing all those perfect souls.

If scriptures are right, you are wrong.

Regards
DL

God also gave those perfectly created souls free will. For you cannot have true love if it is designed into a soul. Thus, a soul can go evil. And no more are they perfect souls.

Free will? You must be getting desperate.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

Oh dl, you do not know the Bible well enough to argue your points. Eve did not eat evil fruit. She did not cover her mouth, she covered her sex organs.


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[GreatestIam]

Yet it is the sinner and not the sin that ends in hell, --- so it seems that you have Jesus sending those he says he loved to death, --- while he, if he was the loving God you claim he is, would cure instead of kill. Right?

Regards
DL

He came, and showed us the way. He is a righteous God and must punish sin. You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop. Are you claiming to be more loving than Jesus?

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

God did not put none in His place for making atonement, except Himself. Mankind cannot understand the principle behind being born of flesh, so Christ is called the Son of God, but he is God with Us. And the substitution has to have been made in order to make us worthy of being with God. All have sinned in flesh. Not one person, save Jesus Christ can claim perfection in the flesh. And most here sinned against God in the first earth age, by either warring against Him, or by doing nothing. Only seven thousand fought with God.

Divorce is a sin that is forgivable, so if you repent, and believe in Jesus you are forgiven of that sin. Only murder and rape are not forgiven in the flesh. And really, there were reasons for divorce, because God divorced Israel, so God is a divorcee.

As for hell, it is a condition or state of mind, where in the person who sinned and died, is being held away from God but still in sight of him and those who made it. Thus,the torture is of the mind. At judgment, the soul will be destroyed forever and ever.

Too much faith based un-provable garbage.

Let's look at the morals you preach involved in you putting your responsibilities onto an innocent man.

I have two links one on your grotesque view of God as a child abuser and one that shows what you religion is capable of doing with their satanic morals.





Regards
DL

God does not abuse anyone, man does. And once here, everyone is pretty much on their own, thus what happens to them is based on natural calamities, or manmade calamities. God only protects those who are His Elect, who He will be witnessing through when they are being held by satan, the antichrist.

As I stated, man in the flesh is capable of doing wrong. Those who claim to be Christian and commit evil are not what God had in mind. Satan can get into any weak minded soul and cause them to do unthinkable things. And now, I want to watch my TV. Cannot deal with the likes of you for too long without feeling distressed.


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I agree that there are no true Christians. Thank God for that as they would elevate a genocidal son murderer to Godhood.

Mind you, imitators like you do that immoral thing as well.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

Hell as defined by words in the Bible is a burning pit, grave, or hades. Hades is a state where the souls reside until judgment. After a soul is judged, they go into the lake of fire, as described in PS 37:20. The soul is destroyed, for ever and ever are they no more.

Strange that scriptures say that God is perfect thus creates perfectly, while you have him killing all those perfect souls.

If scriptures are right, you are wrong.

Regards
DL

God also gave those perfectly created souls free will. For you cannot have true love if it is designed into a soul. Thus, a soul can go evil. And no more are they perfect souls.

Free will? You must be getting desperate.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

Oh dl, you do not know the Bible well enough to argue your points. Eve did not eat evil fruit. She did not cover her mouth, she covered her sex organs.


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Too stupid for a comment.

Regards
DL

 

[silverfoxylassy]

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And the flesh was created only for a short time wherein we could be tested, thus the flesh being of Jesus had to die in order to make penance to reconciliate us with our creator, God.

An all knowing God would not bother testing as he would already know all results. Seems you do not believe God to be all knowing, or think he would waste his time.

"thus the flesh being of Jesus had to die in order to make penance to reconciliate us with our creator, God."

This is an outright lie if you believe the scriptures that refute you.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Regards
DL

God chooses not to know how we would chose in this earth age. However, He does know where you were in the first earth age, and He gives you the life He thinks you deserve based on what you did or did not do for Him. And sure He would like all saved, but all will not be saved. It even says so in revelation.

If you take issue with my wording, well, that can be forgiven.


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[GreatestIam]

[
And the flesh was created only for a short time wherein we could be tested, thus the flesh being of Jesus had to die in order to make penance to reconciliate us with our creator, God.

An all knowing God would not bother testing as he would already know all results. Seems you do not believe God to be all knowing, or think he would waste his time.

"thus the flesh being of Jesus had to die in order to make penance to reconciliate us with our creator, God."

This is an outright lie if you believe the scriptures that refute you.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Regards
DL

God chooses not to know how we would chose in this earth age. However, He does know where you were in the first earth age, and He gives you the life He thinks you deserve based on what you did or did not do for Him. And sure He would like all saved, but all will not be saved. It even says so in revelation.

If you take issue with my wording, well, that can be forgiven.

Strange that Christianity went from an unknowable, unfathomable and mysterious God, to one where you know the un-knowable, fathom the unfathomable and understand the mystery of God and his ways.

You did not even view those clips of Bishop Spong and only come back to talk of your delusions instead of the morality of your beliefs.

Get better or get lost.

Regards
DL

 

[SoCalSmurf]

I have seen spirits in the condition of both heaven and hell. I've seen Jesus, heard Father God's voice. And seen and talked with both angels and demons. Jesus suffered and died for the believer so that they would be in heaven with God, the angels, family and friends. So that their souls could be salvaged by Him and they could have a loving heart. And they don't wind up like a miserable, lying, deceiving devil in the afterlife. It's your choice buddy...don't say that no one told you. You are off to a good start, prepping yourself for the lies and deceit of hell, with hatred in your heart.

What is hateful are hypocrites who cannot argue a decent case for the evil Gods they follow and have to say the kind of B.S. you just put to deflect from an issue where you know you are following more of a Satan than a God.

Thanks for showing all here how you tuck tail and run.

Regards
DL

Why are you attacking Jesus? These are the things you do. And by these things, I know you. You do not show love in your heart for God. Nor do you show love in your heart for mankind. As Christians, we are to hate sin, and that is all. I fail to see you teach love, kindness and the ways of God. But instead, you lack understanding and spread hateful lies. I will not have a discussion with you about Jesus. You do not even know Him. He has no hatred in His heart for people. Jesus hates sin for He knows where it leads, but still loves the sinner. He is the sovereign ruler over all mankind and must punish the unrepentant and unbelieving sinner, for He is a righteous God. His heart weeps to see a person sin, disbelieve and fall. His heart fills with joy over the repentant sinner who believes. You should not spread slanderous lies about someone you do not even know.

Proverbs 10:18. Whoever conceals hatred with lying lips and spreads slander is a fool.

GOD hated Esau for what He did in the first earth age, so you cannot say Jesus does not hate. He taught love, but in order to teach love, one must know and understand hate. And Jesus is God in the flesh, so He hated Esau. And satan is condemned for all that he did, so he is hated as well.


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Could you show me where in scripture that it says that God hated Esau? Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity. One of three persons in the one Godhead. It was not God the Father who was in the flesh. But Jesus, the Son of God...whom we often refer to as God.

 

[SoCalSmurf]

Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Jesus seems to be saying that he is promoting division and war with a number of his sayings that pit father against son and brother against brother.

Jesus advocated division, war and hate; even as some think he preached to love our enemies.

Did Jesus hate and is hate thus a good character trait?

Regards
DL

Jesus just knew that that is the way it would be. Jesus loves everyone. It is evil that God dislikes.

Yet it is the sinner and not the sin that ends in hell, --- so it seems that you have Jesus sending those he says he loved to death, --- while he, if he was the loving God you claim he is, would cure instead of kill. Right?

Regards
DL

He came, and showed us the way. He is a righteous God and must punish sin. You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop. Are you claiming to be more loving than Jesus?

Loving, I cannot guess because Jesus both loved and hated and so do I.

You call Jesus righteous and we Gnostic Christians have tied righteousness to equality and our Universalist ideology. As your God is not a Universalist, Yahweh has a heaven and hell, Gnostic Christians only recognize a heaven, so we would have to define that word.

What is more important to me is the morality that your Jesus showed and that is not good.

All you need do is look at his no divorce policy and his substitutionary punishment policy to see just how immoral those are.

You wrote, "You would cast your own child, for certain reasons, if he didn't stop."

Yes I would, but I would not punish my good son for what my bad son did. Would you punish the good son or the evil one?

Now compare your answer to the immoral substitutionary punishment that your religion forces you to accept.

Regards
DL

Hell as defined by words in the Bible is a burning pit, grave, or hades. Hades is a state where the souls reside until judgment. After a soul is judged, they go into the lake of fire, as described in PS 37:20. The soul is destroyed, for ever and ever are they no more.


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You believe that the lake of fire will be the end of all evil spirits?

 

[SoCalSmurf]

He has no hatred in His heart for people. Jesus hates sin for He knows where it leads, but still loves the sinner.

Your God has condemned the vast majority to hell and you think that doing so is done out of love. What a fool.

Only hate could have Jesus sending most of us on that wide road to hell while only those on the narrow path end in heaven.

If that is your idea of love, it is easy to see why you adore a genocidal son murdering God.

Regards
DL

See the hatred in your heart. Jesus came down to die for our sins and to show us the way. All you have to do is follow Him.

Then I would have to ignore the truth and wisdom in these quotes and do as you do and try to immorally put my responsibilities onto an innocent man.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

You would not punish your good son instead of your evil one so what makes you think it ok for you to do what you would not do yourself?

You are either a hypocrite of a coward who puts his responsibilities on another.

Jesus said to pick up your cross/responsibilities and follow him and here you are ridding him as your scapegoat.

Who is more likely to ask for the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty, Satan or a God?

There is only one right choice and that is the Satan that you follow.

Regards
DL

I did not ask for Jesus to die for my sins. He did it of His own free will. It was required of God for our redemption. God has the authority to do such things. Who are we to question God's authority? Jesus is my hero. He is a King who died for His people.

 

[SoCalSmurf]

GreatestIam,

You spend days going around the internet bashing God, Jesus and Christianity. If people were to listen to you, they are likely to be in hell. Your works are evil. And you call God vile, when it is you who are the wicked one. I pity your soul in the afterlife. I pray that Jesus does not put you in one of the darkest places of hell. Amen.

 

[SoCalSmurf]

Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Jesus seems to be saying that he is promoting division and war with a number of his sayings that pit father against son and brother against brother.

Jesus advocated division, war and hate; even as some think he preached to love our enemies.

Did Jesus hate and is hate thus a good character trait?

Regards
DL

Since Jesus is God, and yes, God hated Esau because of what he did in the first earth age, then hate is extremely natural. However, GOD expects us to allow Him to take vengeance against those who try to hurt us, and only in war when we are being attacked should we lash out and be willing to kill the enemy. The difference between us and the enemy is that they hated us first.


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Why Would God Say: “I Have Hated Esau…”

There are three interesting passages that parallel this question:

1. Genesis 29:31, 33—”And when the Lord saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb; but Rachel was barren…. And when she conceived again, and bore a son; and said, ‘Because the Lord hath heard that I was hated…’” (KJV).
2. Malachi 1:2-3—The Lord speaking: “Yet I have loved Jacob; but I have hated Esau…” (NASB).
3. Luke 14:26—Jesus is speaking: “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple” (NASB).

The Hebrew word used in the Genesis and Malachi passages is also the word we explored in Proverbs 6; it is the Hebrew word “sawnay” which is translated “hate.” Our problem revolves around the cultural Hebrew meaning of the word “hate.” If I say that I hate, for example, liver, it means that I intensely dislike it. But the word “hate” in the Hebrew can have more than one meaning.

As per the NKJV and NASB translations of Genesis 29:31, 33, the word “unloved” is used instead of “hate.” That is to say, not that you hate someone, but that you love someone more than another. Jacob loved both Leah and Rachel, but he loved Rachel more. To be chosen for special honor was to be loved. To be given a place of less importance, or honor, no matter how desirable, was to be hated/loved less.

The same can be said of the Malachi passage; God loved both Esau and Jacob, but He chose to give Jacob special status. All of this is confirmed in the New Testament: that this was the meaning of the Jewish term throughout history. In the Luke 14:26 passage, Jesus wasn’t telling us to dislike/hate our family and relatives. He wanted us to love one another with a sacrificial love—”A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another” (John 13:34).

The Greek word used in the Luke 14:26 passage is “miseho,” which can be translated as “hate,” “detest,” or “to love less.”

Bottom line: It is important that we give Jesus first place and first love in our lives; He is to be Number 1. No spouse, child, parent, relative, or friend is to come before our relationship and love for Jesus.

source: Why Would God Say: “I Have Hated Esau...” | John Ankerberg Show

 

[Mudda]

Jesus didn't seem to like sex with women very much.

 

[SoCalSmurf]

Jesus didn't seem to like sex with women very much.

As far as we know, Jesus remained celibate His entire lifetime.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus didn't seem to like sex with women very much.

As far as we know, Jesus remained celibate His entire lifetime.

Thats stupid.

No one gets accused of being a known unrepentant sinner for 'keeping company with prostitutes" because they were playing canasta.

 

[SoCalSmurf]

Jesus didn't seem to like sex with women very much.

As far as we know, Jesus remained celibate His entire lifetime.

Thats stupid.

No one gets accused of being a known unrepentant sinner for 'keeping company with prostitutes" because they were playing canasta.

I suppose you are a man who could not speak to a prostitute without sleeping with her?