Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains

From my POV I would not be packing up my car going to find a parking lot to pay for, getting on a train at what ever cost, getting on a train getting off finding and loading a cab to go to a resort when I can do it for less money and in less time less hassle by my own car.
Thats not proof, but it is the fact and you can multiply that by 2 million for the people in my community we may live in florida but we aint stupid.

Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
Building rail will provide jobs, long term and permanent and save oil by moving people and products around our nation lowering consumer costs for transportation. Anyone who shops for grocery's or any other product knows that the spike in fuel prices raises the cost of everything transported.

Good. You can have it. Most Socialists and their Societies enjoy mass transit payed for by others anyway. (And your choice). Florida chooses to hold on to their Liberty.

The kind of plan that fits California perfectly. The short sighted ding-dongs look only at the short term jobs it creates. Never mind when it's operating at a loss and the already broke state has to cover the shortfall, or go to the taxpayers of states who were smart enough to pass on the nonsense.
 
High speed rail in Florida is a waste of money. It would never have the ridership to pay operating costs.
Boston to NY to Philly to DC is the only route that is economical
 
Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
Building rail will provide jobs, long term and permanent and save oil by moving people and products around our nation lowering consumer costs for transportation. Anyone who shops for grocery's or any other product knows that the spike in fuel prices raises the cost of everything transported.

Good. You can have it. Most Socialists and their Societies enjoy mass transit payed for by others anyway. (And your choice). Florida chooses to hold on to their Liberty.

The kind of plan that fits California perfectly. The short sighted ding-dongs look only at the short term jobs it creates. Never mind when it's operating at a loss and the already broke state has to cover the shortfall, or go to the taxpayers of states who were smart enough to pass on the nonsense.

Exactly! :clap2:
 
No fucking proof just all talk, shut the fuck up.

From my POV I would not be packing up my car going to find a parking lot to pay for, getting on a train at what ever cost, getting on a train getting off finding and loading a cab to go to a resort when I can do it for less money and in less time less hassle by my own car.
Thats not proof, but it is the fact and you can multiply that by 2 million for the people in my community we may live in florida but we aint stupid.

Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
Building rail will provide jobs, long term and permanent, and save oil by moving people and products around our nation lowering consumer costs; anyone who shops for grocery's or any other product knows that the spike in fuel prices raises the cost of everything transported.

God you are an idiot.

There is no demand for high speed rail in CA. The cities on the peninsula are challenging it in court. The Central Valley doesn't want it. It's just a silly boondoggle that Sacto Bureaucrats think is a good idea. The federal funding doesn't cover operating costs, so, if the train system is built, it will be yet another Bleeding Wound in the state budget.
 
From my POV I would not be packing up my car going to find a parking lot to pay for, getting on a train at what ever cost, getting on a train getting off finding and loading a cab to go to a resort when I can do it for less money and in less time less hassle by my own car.
Thats not proof, but it is the fact and you can multiply that by 2 million for the people in my community we may live in florida but we aint stupid.

Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
Building rail will provide jobs, long term and permanent, and save oil by moving people and products around our nation lowering consumer costs; anyone who shops for grocery's or any other product knows that the spike in fuel prices raises the cost of everything transported.

God you are an idiot.

There is no demand for high speed rail in CA. The cities on the peninsula are challenging it in court. The Central Valley doesn't want it. It's just a silly boondoggle that Sacto Bureaucrats think is a good idea. The federal funding doesn't cover operating costs, so, if the train system is built, it will be yet another Bleeding Wound in the state budget.


We keep telling them that short-term gains at the expense of the taxpayers is of no consolation long term? They balk at the notion.
It only shows me two dimensional thinking at best.
 
Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains


The project, which would have connected Tampa and Orlando with high-speed trains, was rejected by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican. He said he didn't want to obligate the state to pay for what could be expensive operating costs for the line.

However, the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had an operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.
This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.
I do believe the premise is flawed.

Florida did not "LOSE" 2.4 billion it never had. It REFUSED $2.4 billion it did not need or want.
 
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High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.
YEAH!!!....jus' like them, there.....
.....super-highways!!!!!!

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As a Californian I applaud the Gov. of Florida; soon we may benefit from his foolishness if our own pols plan for the future and not seek a return to the past. While I understand editec's belief of the New Right being fascist and generally agree, they're also reactionary. Maybe a new word needs to be coined to describe an ideology bereft of ideas. looking backwards and build on a foundation of emotion?

in one of our last Elections, High Speed Rail between L.A. and Las Vegas was shot down by the voters.....maybe its not that popular of an idea out here as well.....
 
As a Californian I applaud the Gov. of Florida; soon we may benefit from his foolishness if our own pols plan for the future and not seek a return to the past. While I understand editec's belief of the New Right being fascist and generally agree, they're also reactionary. Maybe a new word needs to be coined to describe an ideology bereft of ideas. looking backwards and build on a foundation of emotion?

in one of our last Elections, High Speed Rail between L.A. and Las Vegas was shot down by the voters.....maybe its not that popular of an idea out here as well.....

The only way it will work is if there is a need and a demand for it by market forces. Had there been such a need? The Railroads wouldn't have dropped their passenger services in the early 70's.

The only reason why rail passenger travel exists now is by the Government. Witness AMTRAK.
 
Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains


The project, which would have connected Tampa and Orlando with high-speed trains, was rejected by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican. He said he didn't want to obligate the state to pay for what could be expensive operating costs for the line.

However, the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had an operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.

How many in Tampa want to take a train to Orlando and vice versa? Very little demand that isn't already being met by automobile. The real cost is unknown on that project, and Florida will have to make up any shortfalls, and then be burdened with deficits in ridership tolls from now on. Tampa has already seen public works failures which they are paying for, and don't want much more in that department.
 
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Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains


The project, which would have connected Tampa and Orlando with high-speed trains, was rejected by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican. He said he didn't want to obligate the state to pay for what could be expensive operating costs for the line.

However, the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had an operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.

Governments SHOULD be run like a business.
Your Fascism is showing..... :eusa_whistle:

After all.....what business-manager HASN'T informed a troubled-employee....

The workplace is NOT a Democracy!!!!
 
As a Californian I applaud the Gov. of Florida; soon we may benefit from his foolishness if our own pols plan for the future and not seek a return to the past. While I understand editec's belief of the New Right being fascist and generally agree, they're also reactionary. Maybe a new word needs to be coined to describe an ideology bereft of ideas. looking backwards and build on a foundation of emotion?

in one of our last Elections, High Speed Rail between L.A. and Las Vegas was shot down by the voters.....maybe its not that popular of an idea out here as well.....

The only way it will work is if there is a need and a demand for it by market forces. Had there been such a need? The Railroads wouldn't have dropped their passenger services in the early 70's.

The only reason why rail passenger travel exists now is by the Government. Witness AMTRAK.

they were talking about high speed rail were i am at....just going to L.A. and back and to Santa Barbara......lots of opposition.......something will give though,there is too much traffic around here....but high speed isnt the answer around here....a train system that parallels the freeways might be nice....
 
in one of our last Elections, High Speed Rail between L.A. and Las Vegas was shot down by the voters.....maybe its not that popular of an idea out here as well.....

The only way it will work is if there is a need and a demand for it by market forces. Had there been such a need? The Railroads wouldn't have dropped their passenger services in the early 70's.

The only reason why rail passenger travel exists now is by the Government. Witness AMTRAK.

they were talking about high speed rail were i am at....just going to L.A. and back and to Santa Barbara......lots of opposition.......something will give though,there is too much traffic around here....but high speed isnt the answer around here....a train system that parallels the freeways might be nice....
It may be. I'll tell you in strictest confidence (don't you repeat this to anyone...:eusa_shhh: )...

I am a railroad fanatic. Love 'em. Would love to see more of them...but if it portends to take down, burden the taxpayer and not hold their own? Guess where I side?
 
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Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains




This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.

Governments SHOULD be run like a business.
Your Fascism is showing..... :eusa_whistle:

After all.....what business-manager HASN'T informed a troubled-employee....​


The workplace is NOT a Democracy!!!!
:eusa_eh:
What are you babbling about Shaman?
 
No government ought not to be run like businesses.

They have entirely different missions so suggesting that one ought to act like the other is silly.

Would you say that corporations ought to act like government?

No of course not.

Their mission is to make a profit for their owners, and that is a good thing.

Government's role is to look after the well being of society. And that is a good thing.

Confusing those roles is the definition of FASCISM.

Many of you cons are really fascists and don't apparently realize that what you believe is exactly what Musssolini, Hitler and Franco believed.

I don't tell you this as an insult, I'm just telling you what the political science word is to describe your beliefs.

So you think government control from cradle to grave is Freedom?
Not in my book. Smaller Federal Government = freedom to me. :cuckoo:
 
No government ought not to be run like businesses.

They have entirely different missions so suggesting that one ought to act like the other is silly.

Would you say that corporations ought to act like government?

No of course not.

Their mission is to make a profit for their owners, and that is a good thing.

Government's role is to look after the well being of society. And that is a good thing.

Confusing those roles is the definition of FASCISM.

Many of you cons are really fascists and don't apparently realize that what you believe is exactly what Musssolini, Hitler and Franco believed.

I don't tell you this as an insult, I'm just telling you what the political science word is to describe your beliefs.

So you think government control from cradle to grave is Freedom?
Not in my book. Smaller Federal Government = freedom to me. :cuckoo:

The Founders would concur with your asessment. And why they designed limited powers to the FED leaving most power to the States and the People locally.
 
High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.

You're right. It's never worked - inside the US. Outside the US, it's worked all over the world. Oops.
 

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