Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains

[CrusaderFrank]

Maybe, after Soros tells him that he's decided not to run for the Presidency in 2012, Obama can start a private rail company?

 

[The T]

Maybe, after Soros tells him that he's decided not to run for the Presidency in 2012, Obama can start a private rail company?

 

[The T]

High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.

You're right. It's never worked - inside the US. Outside the US, it's worked all over the world. Oops.

And by coerced TAXATION and Gubmint manipulation, usurpation of LIBERTY, that left them no other choice...right?

 

[rdean]

High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.

You're right. It's never worked - inside the US. Outside the US, it's worked all over the world. Oops.

And by coerced TAXATION and Gubmint manipulation, usurpation of LIBERTY, that left them no other choice...right?

Oh yea, "high speed trains" are evidence of "usurpation of LIBERTY". I forgot that part. Seems I left my "looniness" at home. Thanks for bringing yours.

 

[The T]

You're right. It's never worked - inside the US. Outside the US, it's worked all over the world. Oops.

And by coerced TAXATION and Gubmint manipulation, usurpation of LIBERTY, that left them no other choice...right?

Oh yea, "high speed trains" are evidence of "usurpation of LIBERTY". I forgot that part. Seems I left my "looniness" at home. Thanks for bringing yours.

it is when there's NO market for it, and TAXPAYERS will ultimately be forced to pay for something they will never USE unless forced to.

Right...gotcha'. Keep up the fight Deany-Bub...

 

[Wry Catcher]

Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
Building rail will provide jobs, long term and permanent and save oil by moving people and products around our nation lowering consumer costs for transportation. Anyone who shops for grocery's or any other product knows that the spike in fuel prices raises the cost of everything transported.

Good. You can have it. Most Socialists and their Societies enjoy mass transit payed for by others anyway. (And your choice). Florida chooses to hold on to their Liberty.

this has nothing to do with liberty you dumb drunk.

I'm not sure 'T' is a drunk.

 

[Care4all]

Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains

The project, which would have connected Tampa and Orlando with high-speed trains, was rejected by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican. He said he didn't want to obligate the state to pay for what could be expensive operating costs for the line.

However, the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had an operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.

Governments SHOULD be run like a business. The politicians have pushed most budgets into RED INK. The Governor is protecting the taxpayers as he should. And you have a problem with that?

uhhhhh, like this business?

Florida

With the very close Florida gubernatorial race coming down to the wire today, the only thing that can be said with certainty about the outcome before the polls close is that the new governor will be a record-setter. Alex Sink, the Democratic candidate, would be Florida’s first female governor. Rick Scott, the Republican candidate, would be the first governor to have served as CEO of a firm that paid a record-setting fine to the US government to settle fraud charges. In addition to resigning as CEO during the investigation that led to $1.7 billion in fines being paid, Scott also likely would set the record for the number of times invoking the Fifth Amendment’s right against testimony that might incriminate himself, having invoked it 75 times in a deposition on a different case while the fraud case was still an active investigation.

As for Scott, here is PolitiFact on the fine:

Even when condensed to two paragraphs, you can see the potential land mines Rick Scott, a Republican running for governor, might face over his former hospital chain, Columbia/HCA.

Paragraph 1. Scott grew Columbia/HCA into the nation’s biggest hospital system. It then became the center of a multi-state federal investigation in 1997 that centered around whether Columbia/HCA defrauded Medicare and Medicaid. Scott resigned under pressure in 1997 as the scope of the investigation grew.

Paragraph 2. Columbia/HCA eventually settled the fraud cases, paying a record-setting $1.7 billion in fines. The company pleaded guilty to at least 14 corporate felonies. Four people also were indicted; two were convicted, but those convictions were overturned on appeal. Scott himself was not indicted or questioned in the case.

PolitiFact Florida | Rick Scott dodges answers by invoking Fifth Amendment, Democrats claim in ad
Scott started what was first called Columbia in the spring of 1987 by purchasing two El Paso, Texas, hospitals. He quickly grew the company into one of the country's largest publicly traded hospital chains, and in 1994, merged Columbia with Tennessee-headquartered HCA and its 100 hospitals.

In early 1997, federal agents revealed they were investigating the Columbia/HCA chain for, among other things, Medicare and Medicaid fraud. Allegations included that Columbia/HCA billed Medicare and Medicaid for tests that were not necessary or ordered by physicians, and that the hospital chain would perform one type of medical test but bill the federal government for a more expensive test or procedure. Agents seized records from Columbia facilities across the country in Tennessee, North Carolina, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah and Florida.

Scott resigned in the middle of the federal investigation in July 1997. Scott said he wanted to fight the federal government accusations; the corporate board of Columbia/HCA wanted to settle, and did. In 2000, the company pleaded guilty to at least 14 corporate felonies and agreed to pay $840 million in criminal fines and civil damages and penalties. The company agreed to further settlements in 2002, paying an additional $881 million in fines.

YOUR governor may be a businessman, but he is also A CROOK, who stole my and your medicare taxes....from all I have read, he should be in jail...behind bars!!!!

HOW can YOU not know this?

Care

 

[Avorysuds]

Reminds me of when in The Simpsons, Springfield bought the "monorail" only to later find out it was a horrible "investment."

the sound is a bit low....

It's amazing really... It's reflecting reality so well, It even has the sales pitch, "smart, intelligent, jobs and a comparison to other towns, in our case (china and Europe.”

See, Obama lovers… History already made fun of that fucking brilliant idea you JUST had again, LOL.

 

[The T]

Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains




This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.

Governments SHOULD be run like a business. The politicians have pushed most budgets into RED INK. The Governor is protecting the taxpayers as he should. And you have a problem with that?

uhhhhh, like this business?

Florida

As for Scott, here is PolitiFact on the fine:

Even when condensed to two paragraphs, you can see the potential land mines Rick Scott, a Republican running for governor, might face over his former hospital chain, Columbia/HCA.

Paragraph 1. Scott grew Columbia/HCA into the nation’s biggest hospital system. It then became the center of a multi-state federal investigation in 1997 that centered around whether Columbia/HCA defrauded Medicare and Medicaid. Scott resigned under pressure in 1997 as the scope of the investigation grew.

Paragraph 2. Columbia/HCA eventually settled the fraud cases, paying a record-setting $1.7 billion in fines. The company pleaded guilty to at least 14 corporate felonies. Four people also were indicted; two were convicted, but those convictions were overturned on appeal. Scott himself was not indicted or questioned in the case.

PolitiFact Florida | Rick Scott dodges answers by invoking Fifth Amendment, Democrats claim in ad
Scott started what was first called Columbia in the spring of 1987 by purchasing two El Paso, Texas, hospitals. He quickly grew the company into one of the country's largest publicly traded hospital chains, and in 1994, merged Columbia with Tennessee-headquartered HCA and its 100 hospitals.

In early 1997, federal agents revealed they were investigating the Columbia/HCA chain for, among other things, Medicare and Medicaid fraud. Allegations included that Columbia/HCA billed Medicare and Medicaid for tests that were not necessary or ordered by physicians, and that the hospital chain would perform one type of medical test but bill the federal government for a more expensive test or procedure. Agents seized records from Columbia facilities across the country in Tennessee, North Carolina, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah and Florida.

Scott resigned in the middle of the federal investigation in July 1997. Scott said he wanted to fight the federal government accusations; the corporate board of Columbia/HCA wanted to settle, and did. In 2000, the company pleaded guilty to at least 14 corporate felonies and agreed to pay $840 million in criminal fines and civil damages and penalties. The company agreed to further settlements in 2002, paying an additional $881 million in fines.

YOUR governor may be a businessman, but he is also A CROOK, who stole my and your medicare taxes....from all I have read, he should be in jail...behind bars!!!!

HOW can YOU not know this?

Care

But YET he's Governor. He isn't in jail as YOU would portend by your post to be.

Buh-Bye. Can you say M-O-O-T? Sure, I knew ya could.

 

[The T]

Reminds me of when in The Simpsons, Springfield bought the "monorail" only to later find out it was a horrible "investment."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZjzsnPhnw the sound is a bit low....

It's amazing really... It's reflecting reality so well, It even has the sales pitch, "smart, intelligent, jobs and a comparison to other towns, in our case (china and Europe.”

See, Obama lovers… History already made fun of that fucking brilliant idea you JUST had again, LOL.

Yeah just as the one where I live...a BUST...the Riderless express...

Jacksonville's Automated Skyway Express Downtown Peoplemover

According to an ABC news report in July, 2002, the system was only carrying 3,000 riders per day, far fewer than was projected. Skyway revenues were reported to be $513, 694 in FY 2001 but expenses were $3.5 million.

 

[The T]

this has nothing to do with liberty you dumb drunk.

I'm not sure 'T' is a drunk.

i have seen no evidence that he is not.

You are an idiot with ZERO.

 

[theHawk]

Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains

The project, which would have connected Tampa and Orlando with high-speed trains, was rejected by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican. He said he didn't want to obligate the state to pay for what could be expensive operating costs for the line.

However, the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had an operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.

Seeing how every government prediction of costs are always wrong and projects always cost more, its a good call.
Besides, if it could actually "make money"(i.e. surpluss) then let those evil private corporations do it for greed.

And by the way, building a train isn't going to "create" jobs in the long run. All it will do is employ some illegal aliens for construction work temproarily.

 

[Care4all]

Governments SHOULD be run like a business. The politicians have pushed most budgets into RED INK. The Governor is protecting the taxpayers as he should. And you have a problem with that?

uhhhhh, like this business?

Florida

PolitiFact Florida | Rick Scott dodges answers by invoking Fifth Amendment, Democrats claim in ad
Scott started what was first called Columbia in the spring of 1987 by purchasing two El Paso, Texas, hospitals. He quickly grew the company into one of the country's largest publicly traded hospital chains, and in 1994, merged Columbia with Tennessee-headquartered HCA and its 100 hospitals.

In early 1997, federal agents revealed they were investigating the Columbia/HCA chain for, among other things, Medicare and Medicaid fraud. Allegations included that Columbia/HCA billed Medicare and Medicaid for tests that were not necessary or ordered by physicians, and that the hospital chain would perform one type of medical test but bill the federal government for a more expensive test or procedure. Agents seized records from Columbia facilities across the country in Tennessee, North Carolina, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah and Florida.

Scott resigned in the middle of the federal investigation in July 1997. Scott said he wanted to fight the federal government accusations; the corporate board of Columbia/HCA wanted to settle, and did. In 2000, the company pleaded guilty to at least 14 corporate felonies and agreed to pay $840 million in criminal fines and civil damages and penalties. The company agreed to further settlements in 2002, paying an additional $881 million in fines.

YOUR governor may be a businessman, but he is also A CROOK, who stole my and your medicare taxes....from all I have read, he should be in jail...behind bars!!!!

HOW can YOU not know this?

Care

But YET he's Governor. He isn't in jail as YOU would portend by your post to be.

Buh-Bye. Can you say M-O-O-T? Sure, I knew ya could.

and you say that seriously? that attitude is what is screwing America, imo.

Crime only matters if its a Dem i suppose?

YOUR GOVERNOR is a CROOK, a THIEF and he stole from you and from me...in the Billions! Just because the shareholders of the corporation had to pay the fines for the criminal actions, DOES NOT make him, the CEO that resigned during the mess, sin free....but you seem to think so? AMAZING!!!!

 

[The T]

uhhhhh, like this business?

Florida







YOUR governor may be a businessman, but he is also A CROOK, who stole my and your medicare taxes....from all I have read, he should be in jail...behind bars!!!!

HOW can YOU not know this?

Care

But YET he's Governor. He isn't in jail as YOU would portend by your post to be.

Buh-Bye. Can you say M-O-O-T? Sure, I knew ya could.

and you say that seriously? that attitude is what is screwing America, imo.

Crime only matters if its a Dem i suppose?

YOUR GOVERNOR is a CROOK, a THIEF and he stole from you and from me...in the Billions! Just because the shareholders of the corporation had to pay the fines for the criminal actions, DOES NOT make him, the CEO that resigned during the mess, sin free....but you seem to think so? AMAZING!!!!

The ONLY thing screwing America is it's own Government, and it's Enablers that applaud it to their own detriment.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

YOUR governor may be a businessman, but he is also A CROOK, who stole my and your medicare taxes....from all I have read, he should be in jail...behind bars!!!!

HOW can YOU not know this?

Care

How are we supposed to know what kind of crazy shit you are going to make up next?

 

[Care4all]

YOUR governor may be a businessman, but he is also A CROOK, who stole my and your medicare taxes....from all I have read, he should be in jail...behind bars!!!!

HOW can YOU not know this?

Care

How are we supposed to know what kind of crazy shit you are going to make up next?

it's not made up...you can choose to know the truth, or you can choose to ignore it....for partisan reasons....that's what is really messing our country up....

tell me if a Democratic governor, created and then ran a company that stole billions from medicare, under his supervision, who resigned from said position due to it and left the shareholders, holding the bag of fines....would GET A PASS GO AND collect $300 million BUCKS, from you or mr T?

I DON'T THINK SO.....

call me wrong if you wish....

care

 

[Mr. Shaman]

High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.

YEAH!!!....jus' like them, there.....

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.....super-highways!!!!!!​

You know the routine.

The best thing for a(nother) ass-whuppin' is ice.

Have a seat.

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[The T]

YEAH!!!....jus' like them, there.....​

You know the routine.​

The best thing for a(nother) ass-whuppin' is ice.​

Have a seat.​

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Good for you. Your ride still awaits you. *ENJOY*

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains




This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.

Governments SHOULD be run like a business. The politicians have pushed most budgets into RED INK. The Governor is protecting the taxpayers as he should. And you have a problem with that?

No shit, why would you ever want anyone who knows how to pay the bills, live on a budget, and grow? It would be much better having someone who knows nothing but how to spend, and go to the taxpayers for more money when they can't pay for nonsense like this.

....Kinda like those banks & mortgage-companies that are Too Big To Fail (you know....companies), huh??

I guess they're more-entitled to help...you know, to keep those bonu$-buck$ comin'....right??​

BU$HCO Bail-Out Buck$

$ $ $ $

Brought to you, by those folks who....
KNOW how to run a business!!​

Run along, Rookie.....

 

[The T]

Governments SHOULD be run like a business. The politicians have pushed most budgets into RED INK. The Governor is protecting the taxpayers as he should. And you have a problem with that?

No shit, why would you ever want anyone who knows how to pay the bills, live on a budget, and grow? It would be much better having someone who knows nothing but how to spend, and go to the taxpayers for more money when they can't pay for nonsense like this.

....Kinda like those banks & mortgage-companies that are Too Big To Fail (you know....companies), huh??​

I guess they're more-entitled to help...you know, to keep those bonu$-buck$ comin'....right??​

BU$HCO Bail-Out Buck$​

$ $ $ $​

Brought to you, by those folks who....​

KNOW how to run a business!!

Run along, Rookie.....

​

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This Blame Bush crap is getting old and stale. Find a new Gig.

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