Wry Catcher
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People don't have a right to votes. Citizens have at right to vote. And it's the responsibility of the people to prove who they are and that they are citizens,.
No it's not, moron. At least not in our theory of jurisprudence. One is innocent until proven guilty. Voter fraud is a crime, you cannot deny the right of a citizen to vote by whim, the color of the persons skin or the cut of their cloth - even though that is what you would like.
No citizen is denied a vote. You understand that? Frauds are denied votes.
Do you understand the difference between a citizen and a criminal?
And yes nations/states/communities are expected to take preventive measures against criminals. I can't believe you actually want to live in a world where the police can do nothing to stop crime, but merely respond to it after it's happened.
You really are so partisan and so thoughtless it amazes me. Of course preventative measures are taken; I spent over 30 years as a sworn Deputy/Supervisor/Manager enforcing legal codes. Lots of preventative measures are taken to prevent crime but crime continues. Will there be more crime if there are less officers? Absolutely. But we have laws that law enforcement must enforce and obey.
In this thread you and others hope to prevent a crime without probable cause for primarily partisan advantage. Suggesting fraud in voting is rampant is a canard. Does some fraud occur? I suppose, but I've not seen and not one of you right wingers have posted any evidence that fraud is widespread or has changed a result.
If you and others were honest, which you are not, you would admit the only reason this is an issue is because your ideology only appeals to about 30% of the American citizens. Most find the New Right, fundamentalist Christians, and the new face of the Republican Party too extreme. In an up or down vote of all citizens your kind loses.
Knowing this the money behind the baseless rumor that voter fraud is widespread has to defend a losing ideology with constant attacks and big lies. Both of which extremists like yourself and the echo chamber promulgate with the wisdom of a parrot.
The obvious solution is to accept all legitimate forms of identification, which is the crux of the problem. The legislation now pending is focused on weeding out as many voters as possible, not on making sure there is no fraud. As I said before, if you and the rest of the RWers were honest you would acknowledge this truth and reject efforts to disenfranchise American citizens.