Constitution guarantees the right to vote - note to GOP voter suppressors

[Avatar4321]

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

People don't have a right to votes. Citizens have at right to vote. And it's the responsibility of the people to prove who they are and that they are citizens,.

 

[Wry Catcher]

None of those clauses at all procludes the individuals responsibility to prove than are who they are and a citizen of the United States.

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

Requiring ID does not deny a person the right to vote RETARD. Remind us how Clinton did not pardon a fugitive from Justice?

I suspect you're too stupid to get it, it is a conspiracy (which is a crime) by the Republican Party to deny the vote to American citizens. You may have served in the Army, but you're no patriot. I took the same oath you did, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You dishonor the uniform you wore.

 

[Avatar4321]

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

Requiring ID does not deny a person the right to vote RETARD. Remind us how Clinton did not pardon a fugitive from Justice?

I suspect you're too stupid to get it, it is a conspiracy (which is a crime) by the Republican Party to deny the vote to American citizens. You may have served in the Army, but you're no patriot. I took the same oath you did, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You dishonor the uniform you wore.

Alright. Then defend the Republic from yourself.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

People don't have a right to votes. Citizens have at right to vote. And it's the responsibility of the people to prove who they are and that they are citizens,.

No it's not, moron. At least not in our theory of jurisprudence. One is innocent until proven guilty. Voter fraud is a crime, you cannot deny the right of a citizen to vote by whim, the color of the persons skin or the cut of their cloth - even though that is what you would like.

 

[Avatar4321]

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

People don't have a right to votes. Citizens have at right to vote. And it's the responsibility of the people to prove who they are and that they are citizens,.

No it's not, moron. At least not in our theory of jurisprudence. One is innocent until proven guilty. Voter fraud is a crime, you cannot deny the right of a citizen to vote by whim, the color of the persons skin or the cut of their cloth - even though that is what you would like.

No citizen is denied a vote. You understand that? Frauds are denied votes.

Do you understand the difference between a citizen and a criminal?

And yes nations/states/communities are expected to take preventive measures against criminals. I can't believe you actually want to live in a world where the police can do nothing to stop crime, but merely respond to it after it's happened.

 

[Conservative]

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

People don't have a right to votes. Citizens have at right to vote. And it's the responsibility of the people to prove who they are and that they are citizens,.

No it's not, moron. At least not in our theory of jurisprudence. One is innocent until proven guilty. Voter fraud is a crime, you cannot deny the right of a citizen to vote by whim, the color of the persons skin or the cut of their cloth - even though that is what you would like.

so, I can, by your logic, I can vote in any election I want, regardless of whether or not I should, because I can? And there should be nothing done to prevent this?

 

[SFC Ollie]

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

Requiring ID does not deny a person the right to vote RETARD. Remind us how Clinton did not pardon a fugitive from Justice?

I suspect you're too stupid to get it, it is a conspiracy (which is a crime) by the Republican Party to deny the vote to American citizens. You may have served in the Army, but you're no patriot. I took the same oath you did, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You dishonor the uniform you wore.

Back away from the kool aide. Even you know better than that patriot BS....

 

[yidnar]

I'll type slowly: You cannot punish before you convict; denying a person their right to vote is to extract a punishment without due process. Everyone on the roster has registered to vote, and by signing the roster the voter attests under penalty of perjury that he is the person who registered to vote.

What is being done by the New Right is unconscionable.

Requiring ID does not deny a person the right to vote RETARD. Remind us how Clinton did not pardon a fugitive from Justice?

I suspect you're too stupid to get it, it is a conspiracy (which is a crime) by the Republican Party to deny the vote to American citizens. You may have served in the Army, but you're no patriot. I took the same oath you did, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You dishonor the uniform you wore.

ONE MORE TIME !! ........ how does requiring dems and repubs to show valid id suppress someone from voting ??

 

[AVG-JOE]

The constitution guarantees the right to vote.

Actually it doesn't. There is no right to vote in a FEDERAL election.

It's a pretty common practice though, and how loud would you be screaming if your vote in federal elections was suppressed for any reason?

 

[Wry Catcher]

People don't have a right to votes. Citizens have at right to vote. And it's the responsibility of the people to prove who they are and that they are citizens,.

No it's not, moron. At least not in our theory of jurisprudence. One is innocent until proven guilty. Voter fraud is a crime, you cannot deny the right of a citizen to vote by whim, the color of the persons skin or the cut of their cloth - even though that is what you would like.

No citizen is denied a vote. You understand that? Frauds are denied votes.

Do you understand the difference between a citizen and a criminal?

And yes nations/states/communities are expected to take preventive measures against criminals. I can't believe you actually want to live in a world where the police can do nothing to stop crime, but merely respond to it after it's happened.

Of course I do; I also recognize a canard. Do you?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Constitution guarantees the right to vote - note to GOP voter suppressors.

People in tiny cities know each other. Sometimes for 80 years. Many don't have cars.

The constitution guarantees the right to vote.

Why don't Republicans just campaign on policy? Why scam? Why suppress? Why fight the constitution they claim to "love"?

Just campaign on your "policies". Unless you know your policies aren't "right". Just campaign on your policies. Show America why they should vote for Republicans. They don't need to screw over Americans to get votes, do they?

How are Republicans preventing or attempting to prevent legally allowed people from voting? If you say because they want to require ID I suggest you read the laws concerning voting, they clearly state one must be legally allowed to vote, the only way to ensure that is by Identification.

Any American who does not maintain a current, valid, government issued photo ID is a fool.

I suggest a passport - only naturalized citizens and those with passports can PROVE citizenship.

 

[Wry Catcher]

People don't have a right to votes. Citizens have at right to vote. And it's the responsibility of the people to prove who they are and that they are citizens,.

No it's not, moron. At least not in our theory of jurisprudence. One is innocent until proven guilty. Voter fraud is a crime, you cannot deny the right of a citizen to vote by whim, the color of the persons skin or the cut of their cloth - even though that is what you would like.

so, I can, by your logic, I can vote in any election I want, regardless of whether or not I should, because I can? And there should be nothing done to prevent this?

You can also rob and store you like, and there is nothing to be done to prevent it unless probable cause exists.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Constitution guarantees the right to vote - note to GOP voter suppressors.

People in tiny cities know each other. Sometimes for 80 years. Many don't have cars.

The constitution guarantees the right to vote.

Why don't Republicans just campaign on policy? Why scam? Why suppress? Why fight the constitution they claim to "love"?

Just campaign on your "policies". Unless you know your policies aren't "right". Just campaign on your policies. Show America why they should vote for Republicans. They don't need to screw over Americans to get votes, do they?

How are Republicans preventing or attempting to prevent legally allowed people from voting? If you say because they want to require ID I suggest you read the laws concerning voting, they clearly state one must be legally allowed to vote, the only way to ensure that is by Identification.

Any American who does not maintain a current, valid, government issued photo ID is a fool.

I suggest a passport - only naturalized citizens and those with passports can PROVE citizenship.

And syrenn is right - voting by mail is easy and you don't even need to show your ID to the mailbox before you drop it in - just when you register to vote.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The constitution guarantees the right to vote.

Actually it doesn't. There is no right to vote in a FEDERAL election.

It's a pretty common practice though, and how loud would you be screaming if your vote in federal elections was suppressed for any reason?

Article II, Section 1, clause 2 & 3 describe how the President of the United States shall be elected.

Article (Amendment XIV) defines a U.S. Citizen.

Amendment XV states, "The right of citizens of the U.S. to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the U.S. or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude".

Amendment XVII states, "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years;"

Amendment XIX states, "The rights of citizens of the U.S. to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the U.S. or by any State on account of sex".

Amendment XXIV states, "The right of citizens of the U.S. to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in the Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason or failure to pay any poll tax or other tax"

Amendment XXVI) states, "The right of citizens of the U.S., who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the U.S. or by any State on account of age.

Framed by Article IX which states, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people", makes it quite clear that the right to vote by any citizens of the United States is sacrosanct, and that sufficient laws exist which make fraudulent voting a crime. That the principle long held in our country that persons are innocent until proven guilty is threatened when the penalty of disenfranchisement is executed without due process.

If a political party suspects an individual has committed voter fraud, that is, a person not being a citizen of our nation has voted, or, being a citizen has violated any provision of law by voting, the person making the accusation has a duty to file a report with the legal authority charged with investigating such a crime, under penalty of perjury.

What is being attempted by the Republican Party in several states is a conspiracy to commit an act of mutiny, that is, rebellion against constituted authority.

 

[yidnar]

How are Republicans preventing or attempting to prevent legally allowed people from voting? If you say because they want to require ID I suggest you read the laws concerning voting, they clearly state one must be legally allowed to vote, the only way to ensure that is by Identification.

Any American who does not maintain a current, valid, government issued photo ID is a fool.

I suggest a passport - only naturalized citizens and those with passports can PROVE citizenship.

And syrenn is right - voting by mail is easy and you don't even need to show your ID to the mailbox before you drop it in - just when you register to vote.

hell lets let visiting Chinese,Russians,and Mexicans with no IDs vote !! As long as they vote Republican that is !!

 

[FactFinder]

Constitution guarantees the right to vote - note to GOP voter suppressors

hmmm...sounds like some conspiracy theory or downright ugly ole' spin to me. Seems the Dems have the market cornered on that stuff in places like Chicago.

 

[Conservative]

No it's not, moron. At least not in our theory of jurisprudence. One is innocent until proven guilty. Voter fraud is a crime, you cannot deny the right of a citizen to vote by whim, the color of the persons skin or the cut of their cloth - even though that is what you would like.

so, I can, by your logic, I can vote in any election I want, regardless of whether or not I should, because I can? And there should be nothing done to prevent this?

You can also rob and store you like, and there is nothing to be done to prevent it unless probable cause exists.

So.. the shop owner is not allowed to install theft deterrent devices? Interesting. I bet the shop owner wasn't aware of that. You should report him for violating my right to rob him.

moron.

 

[hortysir]

Does TDM know you're posting GOP voter-suppression threads??

 

[Harry Dresden]

I guess you have never heard of an absentee ballot by mail. Ya don't need a car ya git.


I have voted naked, in the comfort of my bed for years and years. No driving involved.

if you ever need someone to come and collect the ballot.....

 

[hortysir]

Where did that come from? Hasn't there been about 5 or 6 cases of voter fraud, out of tens of millions of votes over the last decade? Voter fraud, not voter registration. After all, Paul Newman and Daffy Duck rarely show up to vote.

Then what's the problem Deanie? Id's are simple to get and for truly poor people there are programs where they can get one for free. And organizations who will gladly help them get one. So what is the problem? Fact is in Ohio you can vote from home for any reason and the only ID you need to supply is the last four of your SSN. So again, what's the problem? You really need to be specific when you accuse people of cheating........I never knew it was unconstitutional to ask for an ID.........

Check out the news. Many state legislation's became Republican after the last election on the theme of "jobs jobs jobs". Wow, Americans were really given a black eye there. Since then, Republicans have pushed a new social agenda like never before. Besides abortion and immigration, included in that social agenda was to close DMV's in poor or black areas. Keep DMV's open on weekends or with extended hours in white, Republican areas.

This has been in the news for the last 6 months. Except on Fox. They never talk about it on Fox.

But why not answer the question? Why try to keep college students, blacks, Hispanics and others from voting. Why not just put those policies out for everyone to see. Explain why rich people deserve more. Explain why oil companies need subsidies. If those policies are good for America, let everyone see those cards. Educate us. Just answer the question.

Check with your old pal, Harry Reid, and see how many House bills are DOA on his desk.