Ask a Gay Guy - Objective Dialog

Do you realize that "wrong" and "Unnatural" are two different things, right? It seems from the context that you are conflating the two.

There are many things that are perfectly nature that aren't right. Violence, hate, lying, apathy, are all very natural emotions/behaviors, yet despite being natural, we would all agree that they are wrong.
 

Quote: Originally Posted by Lakhota
One should always shit, piss, spit, and jerk off toward Israel.

And spare me the "I meant Netenyahu" speech.

That was my facetious retort to wingnuts who ridicule Muslims for praying toward Mecca. However, don't let that ruin your anti-Semitism fantasy.

Yeah, mkay.... I never said any such thing and that post was a direct response to me... and when I called you on it you claimed you meant it to express your displeasure with Netanyahu...

Lying then or lying now?
 
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Thanx for the opportunity.. I'll bite...

1) Why is it that gay groups spend so much time advocating for "gay education" initiatives for children too young to watch Harry Potter?

2) Why is it that gay organizations fixate on the "marriage" term instead of defining their OWN brand of coupling? Can we agree to identify a husband and a wife in that relationship? I would work my ass off for LEGAL PARITY -- but I'm not gonna INSIST that it be called marraige. That seems spiteful to me.

3) Are you aware of the potential damage that could be done to Women's issues if "MARRAIGE" is redefined? For instance, if courts start discounting preference for the wife in custody. Or in spousal abuse cases where the wife is assumed to be the less aggressive, passive partner..

Ok, I researched my response to your first question and by the time I come back here to post (15mins), there are 4 new pages of comments i haven't read, so I'll try be brief. The longer answer I wrote out is below, but I'll address the next two questions quickly.

2) Why is it that gay organizations fixate on the "marriage" term instead of defining their OWN brand of coupling? Can we agree to identify a husband and a wife in that relationship? I would work my ass off for LEGAL PARITY -- but I'm not gonna INSIST that it be called marraige. That seems spiteful to me.

I think the desire for using the term marriage comes from the desire to be completely equal. I understand that gay people can marry people of the opposite sex like anyone else, but equal is a decent term because gay people (according to the APA) are not capable of being genuinely intimately attracted to someone of the opposite sex, so they can only fall in love and find a partner in someone of the same sex. I wouldn't mind if people said they were okay with equal protection under the law, but wished to have gay unions called something other than marriage. The problem is a) the word marriage is really the only commonly used word in the english language to refer to such a partnership b) few people against gay "unions" speak as rationally, and instead antagonize gay people, making any reasonable common ground difficult to reach and c) many gay people would argue that not being allowed to use the word "marriage" means gay relationships are considered less important than straight ones. I don't think its spiteful, but maybe not the best method of attaining rights when one can walk as opposed to run.
But I understand your point.

3) Are you aware of the potential damage that could be done to Women's issues if "MARRAIGE" is redefined? For instance, if courts start discounting preference for the wife in custody. Or in spousal abuse cases where the wife is assumed to be the less aggressive, passive partner..

My dad said the same thing to me when he and I discussed gay marriage. Honestly, I cannot see the potential damage done to women. If courts were to discount the notion that women are less aggressive (and assuming they did this because gay people were getting married and divorced) and discount preference for women, wouldn't it then be replaced by a preference for who is deemed the less aggressive/better partner through their actions as opposed to assumption based on sex? I see that as a good thing, actually.



1) Why is it that gay groups spend so much time advocating for "gay education" initiatives for children too young to watch Harry Potter?

If you could direct me to some links that show a group advocating for an LGBT education in such children, I could more specifically respond and understand your concerns. I did a search myself though and was linked to this - http://fota.cdnetworks.net/truetolerance/curricula.pdf - which is a group condeming the actions of a “gay group” in promoting a day of silence for opressed people (clearly the groups main focus is acceptance of homosexuality) as well as materials to normalize and “stop discrimination” of LGBT people. From the stuff I’ve seen, this is certainly a more extreme gay group in terms of its desire for schools to have a “transgender day of remembrance” - (and it can be assumed that this is one of the more “extreme” groups out there as they are the target and focus of an article condeming such practices). I, personally, would not support, especially in the current political climate, having a transgender remembrance day, and I would bet money the majority of gay people feel similarly. It’s an extreme group, but I know its actions will be reflected on all of us so I’ll try answer for them.

Let us assume that being gay is natural (congruent with the statements of the American Psychological Association), and that it will always exist in a certain proportion of people (and hence, students). I understand and agree that homosexuality should be something students should be at least made aware of at some point in their education (should be included whenever the topic of human sexuality comes up, usually in middle school I think, as it is an aspect of human sexuality that will likely effect between 4 and 10 percent of the students).

All the organizations wishing to insert “gay education” into schools all (all the ones I’ve seen) have the same goal of making students aware of homosexuality, and teaching them that it is not wrong to be gay (congruent with the APA and all other major psychological associations in the US). I believe it is fear mongering to think any of these groups have the goal of “recruiting” students and turning them gay (people cannot become gay, they are born gay, as says the APA).

So I see no harm in educating students about the truth of human sexuality, including the fact that a minority of people (4 to 10%) are born gay. The focus of sex education will still be sexual reproduction, and most students will be straight.

No, “ass sex” should not be discussed in sex ed anymore than it already is, just the same as oral sex. Sex ed is about education and the science of reproduction, not how to get off. It never has been, and that won’t change.

Gay people, by definition, occur in equal proportions throughout every race/background/social status, so therefore gay people are all different and have differing views. Some groups may wish to push things like transgender day, but their actions have no reflection on gay people as a whole.

If there was a gay group wishing to teach children about sex earlier than they already are, wishes to emphasize homosexuality more than heterosexuality or has anything other than the goal of education and acceptance, I’d disagree with it.

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If you have any links you want to show me, let me know and I'd like to see them so I can answer any concern you have more specifically.
 
Ask that guy that used to work for the Romney campaign. See what he says. Oh wait, that's right, he's gone.
 

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