Zone1 Would it Have Been Acceptable For Mary to Abort Jesus?

[Meriweather]

Faith isn't evidence.

Faith brings evidence

 

[JoeB131]

Faith brings evidence

No it doesn't.

Quite the opposite, how many innocent people have gone to jail because the cops were CONVINCED they did it?

At one point, more people believed in Zeus than Yahweh, did that make Zeus real?

 

[hadit]

Zero.

There is no life after death. Jesus never existed.

Irrelevant to the discussion, and false.

 

[Meriweather]

No it doesn't.

Quite the opposite, how many innocent people have gone to jail because the cops were CONVINCED they did it?

At one point, more people believed in Zeus than Yahweh, did that make Zeus real?

How many people go to church to praise cops or pray to cops? We are not talking about faith in people, but faith in God. And we are not talking about Zeus, but Yahweh who is everlasting. My statement stands: Faith brings evidence. You have no faith; therefore you have no evidence.

 

[JoeB131]

How many people go to church to praise cops or pray to cops? We are not talking about faith in people, but faith in God. And we are not talking about Zeus, but Yahweh who is everlasting. My statement stands: Faith brings evidence. You have no faith; therefore you have no evidence.

Except Yahweh isn't "everlasting". The evidence shows that his worship is probably only about 4000 years old, and he initially wasn't even the prominent deity worshipped in the Levant.

How many people go to church and pray for things that never happen? You know, like hoping their mother's cancer gets better.

At least I know cops are real.

 

[Meriweather]

Except Yahweh isn't "everlasting". The evidence shows that his worship is probably only about 4000 years old, and he initially wasn't even the prominent deity worshipped in the Levant.

How many people go to church and pray for things that never happen? You know, like hoping their mother's cancer gets better.

At least I know cops are real.

'Everlasting' isn't determined by when people came to recognize the Almighty. I get it. You prayed your mother's cancer got better. I prayed for God to move a mountain. Neither happened and for you, that proved God doesn't exist. Boo hoo. I get you believe you have good reason not only to ignore God, but to slander/blaspheme him. If God doesn't do what you want, if God doesn't act like you want God to act, what use is he to you? After all, you are a user. Right? What else is God there for, if not to be used, not for your personal use? Right?

 

[JoeB131]

'Everlasting' isn't determined by when people came to recognize the Almighty.

Right, so according to the God Botherers, even though God had regular conversations with people from Adam to Noah, the majority of humans just forgot Yahweh was a thing and started worshipping Ra, Zeus, and Marduk instead.

And people who worship Yahweh, even if you are generous and throw in non-Judeo-Christian religions, are still in the minority among Homo Sapiens.

I get it. You prayed your mother's cancer got better. I prayed for God to move a mountain. Neither happened and for you, that proved God doesn't exist.

Why would you want to move a mountain?

What proves that he doesn't exist is 1) The majority of humans today still don't worship him and 2) the state of the world in general.

Boo hoo. I get you believe you have good reason not only to ignore God, but to slander/blaspheme him. If God doesn't do what you want, if God doesn't act like you want God to act, what use is he to you?

Exactly my point. He's of no use because he doesn't exist anymore than Zeus does. Or Odin. Or Amaterasu.

After all, you are a user. Right? What else is God there for, if not to be used, not for your personal use? Right?

Seems that would be the only pragmatic reason. We get back to Epicurus.

 

[GreatestIam]

Again, you make no sense. Or, you are just an ignorant slut. Because of her transgression she would bear children and it would not be easy. Even though it was the right choice in the plan of salvation. But again, Satan was not working for God. Just stupid.

Ok. God was doing Satan's bidding.

 

[Meriweather]

Right, so according to the God Botherers, even though God had regular conversations with people from Adam to Noah, the majority of humans just forgot Yahweh was a thing and started worshipping Ra, Zeus, and Marduk instead.

And people who worship Yahweh, even if you are generous and throw in non-Judeo-Christian religions, are still in the minority among Homo Sapiens.

How many worship Ra, Zeus, and Marduck today? How many Homo Sapiens are rich and/or famous? You seem to be saying you feel safest or smartest among majority thinkers. No Road Less Traveled for you. I get it.

 

[JoeB131]

How many worship Ra, Zeus, and Marduck today?

Not the point. The thing is people thought they were just as real as you think Yahweh is. Built huge structures in their honor, in fact.

How many Homo Sapiens are rich and/or famous?

Not sure how that's relevant, or if you are just throwing stuff out there.

You seem to be saying you feel safest or smartest among majority thinkers. No Road Less Traveled for you. I get it.

Naw, the majority are the ones who get into a house of worship and grovel in front of an imaginary sky friend.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Those hundreds of millions got to come to this earth from heaven, receive a physical body, and to eventually receive a resurrected eternal body never to die again because of Jesus Christ's Atonement.

You misinterpret. Jesus was great. Its Christians that suck.

Imagine no Islam, no Christianity.

 

[Meriweather]

The thing is people thought they were just as real as you think Yahweh is.

The reality is that you don't see or perceive any differences...

 

[Zebra]

I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.

No

 

[Foxfyre]

I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.

A healthy baby and apparently normal pregnancy and delivery? What ethical justification could there be for aborting Him?

As a Christian with some medical knowledge, I can accept that some pregnancies should be/must be ended for very ethical reasons. For that reason I believe abortion that qualify for those very rare ethical reasons should be legal and safely done by a medical doctor in a hospital and that no ethical Christian would adversely judge a mother who went that route.

Mary's pregnancy certainly did not fall within any of those very rare ethical reasons to abort him so of course he should not be aborted.

 

[JoeB131]

The reality is that you don't see or perceive any differences...

I'm sure if I prayed to Zeus, I'd get the same result than if I prayed to Yahweh

 

[Cougarbear]

Not really. Faith isn't evidence.

Faith is evidence of things not seen but are true. Because you lack this ability doesn't mean there isn't evidence. There is plenty of it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Faith is evidence of things not seen but are true.

In fantasyland, maybe.

Faith is belief without evidence.

If that embarrasses you and causes you to try to redefine faith, that's a sure sign your faith is shaky.

 

[Cougarbear]

Ok. God was doing Satan's bidding.

No one was doing anyone's bidding. Even in the spirit world all have free moral agency to choose. The Godhead established the Plan of Salvation. Lucifer chose his path forward. He really didn't think the Godhead would banish him from heaven and make him dwell without a body on the earth. When Satan (Lucifer) tempted Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, he did that on his own. God didn't ask him to do so.

 

[Cougarbear]

You misinterpret. Jesus was great. Its Christians that suck.

Imagine no Islam, no Christianity.

I don't misinterpret anything. Jesus is Lord God and Savior of all who accept Him. And, while there are those within all religions that are tempted to do evil, most are good people just living their lives. Or, at least, trying to.

 

[marvin martian]

Zero.

There is no life after death. Jesus never existed

Yes, billions of people throughout history, including scholars, doctors, scientists, teachers, leaders, and many many others are all wrong.

It's the uneducated retard on the internet who's figured it out. Lol