Zone1 Would it Have Been Acceptable For Mary to Abort Jesus?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's etymology, not "parlor tricks". Because of etymology, the first synonym usually shown for 'faith' is 'trust'.

Which is colloquialism. Obviously I was delineating the most important difference in our approaches and one that is germane to ky point. You chose to try to sidestep my point entirely, in favor of obfuscation and senantic tail chasing. I gotta tell ya, thats not how good faith, honest actors... act. And if your point is strong, you dont have to act in such bad faith.

So, since you have made it clear that you will exploit any opening to ignore my very clear and direct point, let's toss both words out and use "determinations without respect to evidence" and "evidence based determination".

Then your cheap parlor tricks will be of no use to you.

Deal?

I have made an evidence based determination that I can learn.

You have made a determination without a shred of evidemce.

Now, your next cheap parlor trick will be to call things evidence that are not evidence.

There is nothig new under the sun, in your old, dusty line, here.

Just admit your faith is belief without evidence. And then admit I do not employ faith. Seems so easy. But why so hard for you to do?

 

[ding]

I trust, based on evidence, that i can learn.

Sure, most trust is based on good reasons. It would be dumb not not to have a good reason to trust someone or something. And since faith is having complete trust in someone or something, it would be dumb to have faith in someone or something without good reason.

to ignore my very clear and direct point

I read your posts. Maybe I missed it but unless it was the post I just quoted, it wasn't clear what your point was. What is your clear and direct point?

 

[Meriweather]

Which is colloquialism. Obviously I was delineating the most important difference in our approaches and one that is germane to ky point. You chose to try to sidestep my point entirely, in favor of obfuscation and senantic tail chasing. I gotta tell ya, thats not how good faith, honest actors... act. And if your point is strong, you dont have to act in such bad faith.

So, since you have made it clear that you will exploit any opening to ignore my very clear and direct point, let's toss both words out and use "determinations without respect to evidence" and "evidence based determination".

Then your cheap parlor tricks will be of no use to you.

Deal?

I have made an evidence based determination that I can learn.

You have made a determination without a shred of evidemce.

Now, your next cheap parlor trick will be to call things evidence that are not evidence.

There is nothig new under the sun, in your old, dusty line, here.

Just admit your faith is belief without evidence. And then admit I do not employ faith. Seems so easy. But why so hard for you to do?

First, no deal. Second, I have often said that religion/faith in God is not based on physical evidence, because it is in the spiritual realm, which is beyond physical evidence. Third, faith, while not based on physical evidence, is based on logic and sometimes subjective evidence, events which cannot be repeated. Fourth, it is not I who am misusing words--that would be you. I go straight to the definitions and etymologies, while you (and a few other atheists) choose to use malapropisms. Figure out your own words.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Based on your answers, you see why we need the first amendment. To protect those who have beliefs in God from those who don't and act stupidly. No, there are no scientific studies saying gender affirming care has value. In fact, it's now the consensus of science that it destroys children for later on in life. Not only children but adults too. It's stupid to try and fix a mental issue with a physical one. That's barbaric.
Fetuses are babies. They are alive. Bye definition they are alive. And, perhaps we should start counting fetuses in the census and allow them to claim tax dependents on unborn children. If you kill an unborn child you can be jailed. They are alive.

my wife made me watch that Texas Tech Suck dog state game last night. Kennard Davis looked like he smoked a doobie before the game and dybantsa looked like a church ball hog.
KY shoulda made davis drive home from Lubbock. LOL

 

[Cougarbear]

my wife made me watch that Texas Tech Suck dog state game last night. Kennard Davis looked like he smoked a doobie before the game and dybantsa looked like a church ball hog.
KY shoulda made davis drive home from Lubbock. LOL

AJ is still sick with the flu. Also, he had that shoulder injury from the TCU game. After he began doing well scoring 11, he didn’t do much. A week off will help him.

Even with that, up by 9 with 8:30 minutes to go shows how good we can be. Why we couldn’t shoot after that is puzzling. Saunders airballs from the top. 2-14 with 6 free throws in 8:30 minutes. And then they get hot. Banking in 3 point shots.

 

[Hafar1014]

I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.

All die.

Does the Bible not tell us that death and wages are the reward for our sins?

Would you deny those souls their just rewards?

If Adam had not sought his just rewards after recognizing sex and reproduction, none of us would be here.

Adam was blind to his own penis till Eve opened his blind eyes.

Proof that women are the source of all evil.

I would suggest therapy for you

 

[Hafar1014]

Zero.

There is no life after death. Jesus never existed.

There is an afterlife we dont end when the body dies

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, there's this little thing called "evidence". If there is a life after death, it would be pretty consistent during near-death experiences. But the thing is, Christians who have NDE's meet Jesus. Muslims who have NDE meet Mohammed, and Buddhists meet the Buddha.



Okay, let's look at that.

The Babylonian Talmud was written about 500 AD, well after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. So it has no real value.

If you look at the historians closest to Jesus' life, it becomes a lot more questionable. The main ones that are cited are Tacitus and Josephus, and even they wrote a half-century after the event. Now, given we have no actual contemporary copies of Tacitus of Josephus. We have copies that were copied by Christian monks, centuries after the fact.

The passages about Jesus in Josephus are clearly add-ons by later Christian Scholars.

Tacitus is a bit more problematic. He mentions that Christians were persecuted by Nero for the Great Fire of Rome. Yet the passage looks like it was just added in there and don't really fit with the rest of the narrative about Nero.

Want more evidence?

Dio Cassius, the third great historian of the Early Empire, makes no references to Christians at all. While Suetonius says Claudius expelled the Jews from Rome because of the Instigations of one "Chrestus", he makes no mention of Christians in relation to the Great Fire, either.

FURTHERMORE, we have a letter from Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan, asking what to do with Christians in his province. Trajan responded with an effective "Don't ask, don't tell" approach towards them. Now, if these were the people who supposedly set fire to Rome 60 years earlier, Pliny sure as hell would know who they were, and Trajan wouldn't have been nearly so leniant.

There is in medicine a condition called terminal lucidity. Its seen in hospice right before death. It happens when a person has severe brain damage caused by dementia, traumatic brain injury, cancer, etc. Physical brain structures are destroyed and they cant grow back. These people lose all memory emotions and personality. They cant recognize their family. Then suddenly it all comes back. Memory emotions personality which is impossible physically. Then they die in 1-2 days. So then how. The mind is energy. When near death its released. Thats what we call the soul.

Further we have valid NDE research. In my own experience I have had after life experiences. I have known two mediums that were the real thing. I used one to find my original family which I never knew. I knew nothing had no information and all records were sealed. The medium lead me to them in 8 months by giving me information thats turned out to be perfectly accurate. How? I discovered my mother had died very young many years before I found my family.

We have spirit guides who watch over us and try and influence our lives. I was at a redlight no visibility on my left. Blocked by a hill and trees. The light turned green. As I stepped on the gas a voice came in my head and said Dont Go Dont go !I stopped. 2 seconds later a large dump truck ran the light and would have killed me.

I have also had dream experiences that are not dreams. and one vision. This is the afterlife in our lives.