Will ignorant voters from southern states cost Bernie the primary again?

[MisterBeale]

But the devil is in the details dude! In the Scandinavian countries, those making less than 50,000, pay 55 to 60% in taxes. You are only looking at the outcomes, and NOT how they get there.

In Scandinavian countries it's actually not uncommon for people to own their first homes in their early 20s. They have much more room and opportunity to grow. There is an over 90% public approval of healthcare. I don't know the exact number for government approval, but that too is up there. All of that is in stark contrast with the United States.

. . let's try to remember, we are comparing, apples to oranges.

Take a look at the Defense appropriations of any of those Scandinavian nations.

Also, bear in mind, those nations have only two levels of government, maybe three, county, city, nation.

We live in a Federated system. We have State and Federal level of government, so there is an extra layer of government and an extra layer of taxation.

Some things, the national government is just NOT supposed to be doing, your STATE government is supposed to be in charge of.

If you want to make European comparisons? Compare the federal government here with the EU, in which case, our federal government does a hell of a lot more.

Also, Sweden has an aristocracy, like Britain. It has a ruling class. Most Americans would never stand for such an outrage, though, they are completely blind to the fact that our blue bloods have white privilege none the less.

The Bush, Clinton, Rockefeller, Roosevelt, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, (Dunham ) etc. they all go back to the very founding of the nation. And, wouldn't expect their progeny to ever struggle.

Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bernie will drop out for "health reasons". Biden will get the nomination and introduce Mike Bloomberg as his " wife, lifelong partner and running mate!"

 

[dannyboys]

Blacks have always made poor choices at the voting polls.

Just think, 97% of them voted for Obama, the worst President this country ever had. The Blacks are so damn stupid they don't even know what they are doing wrong by voting for Democrats.

Actually they would get more free stuff from Commie Bernie than they would get from Dumbass Biden. They are just too stupid to know it.

Yea, voting for that idiot Creepy Joe was a dumbass thing for Blacks (or anyone else) to do but they always screw up.

The Berniebros are gonna be pissed that the DNC is stealing it away from their man. They will be less enthusiastic in this election than they were in 2016.

Hell, last night that senile creepy old man introduced his wife as his sister. At least he wasn't on stage kissing his granddaughter on the lips.

Trump by a landslide. He will make Biden look like the fool he is.

I cannot imagine why blacks do not vote for the party filled with racist calling them stupid, it is just odd.

The Blacks are once again taking it up the ass by the Dems and they don't even know it's happening.
They all line up every four years and drop their pants and bend over. Afterwards they won't see a Dem on the horizon for another four years. Then the Dems show up all lubed up and wearing their plastered on shiteating grins.
'Bell Curve'

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Blacks have always made poor choices at the voting polls.

Just think, 97% of them voted for Obama, the worst President this country ever had. The Blacks are so damn stupid they don't even know what they are doing wrong by voting for Democrats.

Actually they would get more free stuff from Commie Bernie than they would get from Dumbass Biden. They are just too stupid to know it.

Yea, voting for that idiot Creepy Joe was a dumbass thing for Blacks (or anyone else) to do but they always screw up.

The Berniebros are gonna be pissed that the DNC is stealing it away from their man. They will be less enthusiastic in this election than they were in 2016.

Hell, last night that senile creepy old man introduced his wife as his sister. At least he wasn't on stage kissing his granddaughter on the lips.

Trump by a landslide. He will make Biden look like the fool he is.

I cannot imagine why blacks do not vote for the party filled with racist calling them stupid, it is just odd.

The Blacks are once again taking it up the ass by the Dems and they don't even know it's happening.
They all line up every four years and drop their pants and bend over. Afterwards they won't see a Dem on the horizon for another four years. Then the Dems show up all lubed up and wearing their plastered on shiteating grins.
'Bell Curve'

You Trumpians sure do have a lot of homosexual fantasies.

 

[Oldstyle]

I believe he's calling it "Democratic Socialism", Confounding! Isn't it fun when people tack "Democratic" in front of what they really are so that you don't think they're so bad? It's kind of like what the Nazis did back in the day. You know...the "National Socialist German Workers' Party"? Sounds so benign...doesn't it?

The cool part is that you can then go and listen to the things the candidate is actually saying. Is Bernie advocating for wars and the removal of Jews?

Bernie is "advocating" for socialism, Confounding! He wants income redistribution and he wants big government to call the shots on who gets what. As for the Jews? Sanders has been a supporter of the Palestinians who have been calling for the "removal" of Jews from Israel since the 1960's!

 

[imawhosure]

Free everything.

I expected better from you.

I'm not going to get in a long discussion on this because this is USMB so what's the point?

However, Bernie sounds like Jeremy Corbin, Tony Benn and Ed Broadbent. Google who those people are if you don't know them.

If you don't think they're socialists, then you wouldn't know socialism if socialism walked up to you and bit you on the ass.

Are you a refugee from the Mother Country?

Toro is Canadian like me...

The only difference is he is Black and I am a Frog...

I knew he was a Canadian as soon as he mentioned Ed Broadbent. That's some serious Canadian 'inner tennis' politics.
All this is a moot point anyway.
Here's my prediction and I am NEVER wrong!
Mike Bloomberg is going to sweep into the Dem convention and literally purchase the nomination.
Bernie's 'Brown Shirts' will go on a burning and looting rampage.
Biden will sit there with his thumb up his ass.
And the Dem party will implode into what will look like the Israeli political system.
The loyal Biden and Bernie voters will sit out the election and watch Trump sail to another term.
By the time the Dems get their shit together the Reps will have won the next three Presidential elections.
Print this post out and tape it to your fridge door.

At one point, I would have almost agree with everything you stated, but not now. I think these moves were made early in the primaries so Biden could win the nomination outright.

You have to remember----------->Bernie isn't going to carry 1 Southern state, and New York knows what butters its bread, and that is the financial sector, so he is going to get clobbered there.

The key for the DNC, is to get to the convention WITHOUT Bernie in the lead, so they have a plausible excuse to not give it to him, if in fact the convention is brokered. From my way of thinking, they have succeeded in doing that now.

Let us ALL be honest---------->we see Bernie is weak, very weak in the South, Biden is going to get New York, Penn, and 100% Florida!

So, somebody give me a path for BERNARD to either win outright, or lead the delegate count going in to the convention!

Not gonna happen!

Not to mention-------> just like Kasich tried to do to Trump, the DNC is going to prop Warren up in the race as long as needed, to take BERNARD voters away from him.

Devious? Of course it is, but we are talking politics, and what about politics isn't devious, especially when related to the DNC!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

But the devil is in the details dude! In the Scandinavian countries, those making less than 50,000, pay 55 to 60% in taxes. You are only looking at the outcomes, and NOT how they get there.

In Scandinavian countries it's actually not uncommon for people to own their first homes in their early 20s. They have much more room and opportunity to grow. There is an over 90% public approval of healthcare. I don't know the exact number for government approval, but that too is up there. All of that is in stark contrast with the United States.

. . let's try to remember, we are comparing, apples to oranges.

Take a look at the Defense appropriations of any of those Scandinavian nations.

Also, bear in mind, those nations have only two levels of government, maybe three, county, city, nation.

We live in a Federated system. We have State and Federal level of government, so there is an extra layer of government and an extra layer of taxation.

Some things, the national government is just NOT supposed to be doing, your STATE government is supposed to be in charge of.

If you want to make European comparisons? Compare the federal government here with the EU, in which case, our federal government does a hell of a lot more.

Also, Sweden has an aristocracy, like Britain. It has a ruling class. Most Americans would never stand for such an outrage, though, they are completely blind to the fact that our blue bloods have white privilege none the less.

The Bush, Clinton, Rockefeller, Roosevelt, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, (Dunham ) etc. they all go back to the very founding of the nation. And, wouldn't expect their progeny to ever struggle.

Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia

It is sort of funny you add the Clinton's into the list of old money.

 

[Gdjjr]

There's nothing he wants that they're not already doing in Scandinavian nations.

Except guns- which scandanavian country we're wanted to emulate insists that guns are a part of their life?

Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.

All men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" are given a pistol or a rifle and trained.

After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.

In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.

Mandatory military service by a very scandanavian country-

 

[Confounding]

. . let's try to remember, we are comparing, apples to oranges.

Of course, but surely to some extent we can observe and learn from what they do.

Take a look at the Defense appropriations of any of those Scandinavian nations.

There is so much money we could save by cutting military waste. We need to work on that big time. I was in the Army. In AIT my commander sent a bunch of us out to buy whatever random shit we could find for the barracks just so we maximized our spending by the end of the cycle. Behavior like that must not be uncommon or much of a secret if they are getting trainees involved in it.

We live in a Federated system.

We need to give a lot more power to the states.

If you want to make European comparisons? Compare the federal government here with the EU, in which case, our federal government does a hell of a lot more.

Our government has a lot more power over the states than the EU has over European nations. For example there is no way in hell Texas could ever actually secede. Uncle Sam would start killing people.

ruling class.

It's not any different here.

 

[dannyboys]

Blacks have always made poor choices at the voting polls.

Just think, 97% of them voted for Obama, the worst President this country ever had. The Blacks are so damn stupid they don't even know what they are doing wrong by voting for Democrats.

Actually they would get more free stuff from Commie Bernie than they would get from Dumbass Biden. They are just too stupid to know it.

Yea, voting for that idiot Creepy Joe was a dumbass thing for Blacks (or anyone else) to do but they always screw up.

The Berniebros are gonna be pissed that the DNC is stealing it away from their man. They will be less enthusiastic in this election than they were in 2016.

Hell, last night that senile creepy old man introduced his wife as his sister. At least he wasn't on stage kissing his granddaughter on the lips.

Trump by a landslide. He will make Biden look like the fool he is.

I cannot imagine why blacks do not vote for the party filled with racist calling them stupid, it is just odd.

The Blacks are once again taking it up the ass by the Dems and they don't even know it's happening.
They all line up every four years and drop their pants and bend over. Afterwards they won't see a Dem on the horizon for another four years. Then the Dems show up all lubed up and wearing their plastered on shiteating grins.
'Bell Curve'

You Trumpians sure do have a lot of homosexual fantasies.

I've never met a Dem woman or man who wasn't fixated on 'BBC'.
Dems think of Blacks as their own private 'petting zoo' once every four years. Dems bring them out to laugh at and provide entertainment and their VOTES then they put them back in their cages AKA inner city shitholes, and forget about them for another four years.
The fact that Blacks continue to allow this to happen to them can be explained with two words: 'Bell Curve'.

 

[MisterBeale]

It is not coincidence that two candidates dropped out on Monday and the one that takes votes from Sanders is still there.

Warren becoming an establishment stooge really blindsided me. I used to think she was one of the good ones.

She flipped houses and was a Republican before she ever became a Harvard professor.

I knew who she was a loooong time ago.


You should have know by the very fact that she was allowed to be on the committee to reform the banks.


. . . and by the same token, the very fact that Sanders was not associated with that class action lawsuit that took the DNC to task on their fraud, and the judge even ruled that it was their right to rig the primaries against him, and he didn't say shit, b/c they gave him a house?

. . . yeah. . . he is not exactly who he says he is either. You should know this already as well. No one stays in D.C. that long voluntarily and works with these evil folks with out being corrupted. They either get the hell out and tell the public about the corruption, like Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney, and Mike Gravel, or they sell their soul. Hell, most folks didn't even know that Mike Gravel even ran again this year.

If Sanders was so pure, why did he not stand behind that class action suit, where the judge even ruled that the DNC rigged the race against them, but they had no standing to sue, b/c, hey, that's politics?

http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/63-Notice-of-Appeal.pdf
DNClawsuit
WATCH: CN Live! Episode 17--The DNC and Corruption

. . b/c, these super-delegates, in the end, don't care. They will still have cushy jobs representing the oppressed, they are, after all, the only voice you got. Suck it. What else are we going to do? Right?

The Myth Of Incompetence: DNC Scandals Are A Feature, Not A Bug
The Myth Of Incompetence: DNC Scandals Are A Feature, Not A Bug

". . . As these scandalous revelations continue to emerge I don’t see anyone online expressing surprise that the Democratic establishment is once again stacking the deck against Sanders, but I do see some people expressing surprise that they are being so brazen about it. Which is perfectly understandable; if this party wants to screw over progressive voters, you’d expect that they’d at least try to hide it a little bit so they don’t alienate their progressive base before November.

The flaw in this expectation is its premise that Democratic Party elites care if their party wins in November. They do not.

Put yourself in the shoes of one of the leading movers and shakers within the Democratic Party for a minute. Pretend you’re getting a nice paycheck, pretend you’re getting great healthcare benefits, pretend you get plenty of prestige and exclusive access and invitations to classy parties. And pretend you’re the type of person who’s willing to manipulate and deceive and kiss up and kick down and do whatever it takes to get to the top of such a structure.

Now ask yourself, if you were such a person in such a situation, would you care if voters pick Donald Trump or Pete Buttigeig in November? Would it affect your cushy lifestyle in any way whatsoever? Would you lose your job, your prestige or your influence? No party elites lost those things in 2016. Why would you expect this time to be any different?

But you might be at risk of losing your cushy lifestyle if a forcefully anti-elitist progressive movement gets off the ground and takes control of your party. So you’d stand everything to gain by doing everything you can to prevent that from happening, and, because you don’t care if Trump gets re-elected, you’d stand absolutely nothing to lose.

These people do not care if Trump gets re-elected, because they lose nothing if he does. The only people who stand anything to lose are the ordinary citizens who are suffering under a corrupt status quo of soul-crushing neoliberalism and increasing authoritarianism, many of whom currently support Sanders. Democratic Party elites are perfectly happy to keep shrieking about Russia for another four years while making sure that the status quo which rewards their manipulative behavior remains intact, and ensuring that they never wind up like those poor suckers out there who are suffering from poverty and lack of healthcare.

And everything I just said is equally true of the media class who are currently working in conjunction with the DNC’s shenanigans to spin Buttigeig as the clear winner of the party’s first presidential electoral contest. They enjoy all the same perks, and move in many of the same circles, as Democratic Party elites, and it’s all conditioned on their protection of the status quo.. . . "

 

[Confounding]

Except guns- which scandanavian country we're wanted to emulate insists that guns are a part of their life?

Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.

All men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" are given a pistol or a rifle and trained.

After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.

In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.

Mandatory military service by a very scandanavian country-

Bernie has a history of being less hard on guns than other Democrats. That's an area where I still take some issue with him, though. That being said guns aren't as prominent in Scandinavian culture, and it's harder to get one as a civilian than you might think. I don't know for sure but I'd bet that on average a lot less Scandinavians own guns.

 

[MisterBeale]

There's nothing he wants that they're not already doing in Scandinavian nations.

Except guns- which scandanavian country we're wanted to emulate insists that guns are a part of their life?

Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.

All men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" are given a pistol or a rifle and trained.

After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.

In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.

Mandatory military service by a very scandanavian country-

Switzerland isn't a Scandinavian nation.

Composition

Denmark

Norway

Sweden[3]
Sometimes also:

Åland Islands

Faroe Islands

Finland

Iceland[a]

Nordic territories that are not part of Scandinavia:

Greenland

Jan Mayen

Svalbard

Think, Vikings.

 

[Gdjjr]

I don't know for sure but I'd bet that on average a lot less Scandinavians own guns.

The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people.

 

[Confounding]

The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people.

Which nation again?

 

[TNHarley]

Bernie praised Castro for teaching children how to read and comprehend govt propaganda.
Bernie is a authoritarian POS

 

[Billiejeens]

I am actually amazed that Joe fucking Biden is as relevant as he is right now. Seriously, just what the fuck is wrong with people? Black people prefer Biden? WHAT? There are pictures of Bernie chained to black people in segregation protests, but they think Biden is their dude? I should have learned my lesson the first time when they voted for Hillary over Bernie. Democrats are fucking retarded and they deserve to lose if Biden wins the primary. There is absolutely no way that milquetoast senile pervert is going to become the president. I might not have voted if it was Bernie vs Trump, but now it looks like I might actually get out there and vote for Trump.

The party knows that Bernie has literally no chance in a nation wide election.

 

[Confounding]

The party knows that Bernie has literally no chance in a nation wide election.

That's exactly what everybody said about Trump.

 

[Billiejeens]

America doesn't need socialism.

What kind of "socialism" does Bernie represent? Can we detail it or are we going to stick to drive by defamation?

You dont know?

 

[Billiejeens]

We dont need Sleepy Joe either

At the very least it has to be obvious that Bernie would be better than Joe, right? He's not going to usher in the evil socialism. He's just an honest old man that wants to help our young people get ahead and help old people finish out their time in comfort and peace. Bernie has been for the people his entire career. He at least deserves more respect than corporate stooges like Obama and Biden.

(Hilarious laughing.)