Why do some people say "God Fearing"?

[BULLDOG]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Cleary a person that has never attempted to comprehend the religion of Christianity or the Holy Scriptures. God "never" promised any future generation "countless" miracles. The age of miracles existed with the infant Christian Church in order to confirm the New Testament Covenant of Christ in proving that the message being taught was backed by the signs and wonders that only God could deliver. The need for "signs" and "wonders" ceased to be required when mankind was given sufficient teaching through the record found in the Holy Bible. Man today has everything he needs to search and find salvation through Christ Jesus. Its a matter of scriptural record.

We know that Faith, Hope and Love exists today.........but there has been no miracle preformed (signs and wonders) since the last apostle of Christ drew his last breath and the gift of being able to lay on hands and pass on some supernatural git passed. There was no one else authorized by God expect the hand picked apostles of Christ to call upon any gift provided by the Holy Spirit. The scriptures demonstrate that the gift of the supernatural required the work of an Apostle. (Acts 8) The disciples had to wait on Peter or another apostle before any sign or wonder could take place.



And Love? The apostle is addressing the supernatural as compared to the greatest gift of God.......LOVE.
"Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with, if there are tongues (the gift of speaking in a language never learned in order to speak to different peoples of earth), they will cease; if there is knowledge (supernatural knowledge) it will be done away with. For now (when? while the books of the New Testament were still being recorded during the times of the apostles) we know in part (no one disciple had the all the powers of the spirit and each was dependent upon others to get the complete message) and we prophesy in part; When the perfect comes; the partial will be done away with." -- 1 Cor. 13:8-10

Paul confirmed that the miraculous would end when THE PERFECT comes. There are some false prophets who claim that the PERFECT being spoken of was the Christ upon His 2nd coming. But the text says THE PERFECT not the PERFECT ONE. Some translations read The perfect as That which is perfect (that, not a he).

The point being made by Paul? During the age of the Apostles in the 1st century the revelations found in the cannon of the New and Old testaments were not completed. In the Book of James 1:25.......the same word as translated in Paul's record found in 1 Cor. is used in telling everyone what THE PERFECT is..........The Perfect Law of Liberty.

The complete work of the Holy Scriptures contains everything that is necessary for LIFE and GODLINESS. (2 Peter 1:3)

It would take a fool, grifter, or insane person to expect anyone to believe that God talks them today and personally delivers MIRACLES. Where are the signs and wonders? Show me the dead arising. The Blind from Birth Healed, Show someone who can turn water into wine. Heal crippled people.

The way God speaks today is through the record of Jesus Christ.........if you want to locate God, first know where to find the record left behind by the Holy Spirit......the inspired work of the Holy Scriptures. The Holy Spirit can live in you only if you listen to what He has to say......if you follow the advise found in scriptures.....what other kind of spirit is dwelling within you?



God has no respect of person.......the miracles recorded in scripture had nothing to do with personally delivering a mircale to anyone, the miraculous was preformed to CONFIRM THE WORD OF GOD. The perfect law of liberty has been delivered ONCE for all time (Jude 3). The faith of Christianity was delivered ONCE by the saints of the 1st century. There has been no new revelation (confirmed by signs and wonders) no new prophecy (confirmed by signs and wonders), no miraculous healing (confirmed by signs and wonders) no new books of the Bible........its all been delivered ONCE.

You know nothing about me. I was devout Christian most of my life. I was even a deacon for a while. When I began an in depth study of the Bible and Christianity, with the intention of becoming a better Christian is when the absurdities and contradictions of Christianity became unavoidable. Honest study is the quickest way to convert a Christian to an atheist, or at least an agnostic.

 

[BULLDOG]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

 

[Indeependent]

Yeer-ah does not mean fear, it means awe, as in being in awe of someone who has amazing talent and you want to be associated with them.

 

[ding]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

 

[BULLDOG]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

 

[ding]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

 

[ding]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

It's pretty obvious to me that you aren't a very happy person.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

This fails as an appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[BULLDOG]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

 

[ding]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

Not in the storms you don't. Anger drips from you.

 

[BULLDOG]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

Not in the storms you don't. Anger drips from you.

You confuse disagreeing with your absurd views with anger.

 

[ding]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

Not in the storms you don't. Anger drips from you.

You confuse disagreeing with your absurd views with anger.

No. I've had enough discussions with you over a long enough period of time to see it. You are one pissed off mother fucker.

 

[BULLDOG]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

Not in the storms you don't. Anger drips from you.

You confuse disagreeing with your absurd views with anger.

No. I've had enough discussions with you over a long enough period of time to see it. You are one pissed off mother fucker.

If you say so.

 

[ding]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

Not in the storms you don't. Anger drips from you.

You confuse disagreeing with your absurd views with anger.

No. I've had enough discussions with you over a long enough period of time to see it. You are one pissed off mother fucker.

If you say so.

100%. I know it and you know it.

 

[BULLDOG]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

Not in the storms you don't. Anger drips from you.

You confuse disagreeing with your absurd views with anger.

No. I've had enough discussions with you over a long enough period of time to see it. You are one pissed off mother fucker.

If you say so.

100%. I know it and you know it.

As always, your thoughts will be given all the consideration they deserve.

 

[ding]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Of course god can lie. He did it a lot.
“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (John 14: 11 – 14)

I asked for a pony. ----- No pony yet.

Don't ya know that God does not hear the prayers of unrepentant sinners? "Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that He cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR................." -- Isaiah 59:1-9 A little humor to begin.......a good belly laugh is good for the soul...............

But....... actually when you are quoting from this portion of John 14, you are separating the subject matter and context via applying the conversation as taking place in being directed to EVERYONE (to future believers everywhere), in reality when you stay in context, Jesus is personally addressing His disciples whom where to be given the "supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit" in order to establish the infant church.

Take the entire chapter in the context in which it written, The Christ is speaking to Thomas (John 14:5), to Philip (John 14:8).
How was Jesus going to deliver on those promises made to these disciples? He tells them, "And I will pray the My Father and He shall give you another Comforter; that He might abide with you forever........" -- John 14:16

What of the rest of the world.........the general population? "Even the Spirit of Truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE............"

Its a common error in reading and comprehending scripture.........the majority of people read the scriptures as if every word was directly addressing them when in reality the scriptures are but a record......a history that we are to learn and grow from.... The scriptures are taken away from their context, content and subject matter more than any other work of history.

When you read HOMER........do you assume that the author is directly addressing you with every word, every sentence? The scriptures are not different.........STAY IN CONTEXT, allow the text to direct your comprehension........

Does God actually hear your prayers? Of course.......sometimes He gives us what we need instead of what we want..............as would any loving parent who would never show respect among their children.............favoring one over another. God has no respect of person, none of us sinner or saint are promised anything extra in this life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust......... the age of the supernatural ended when the last personally hand picked Apostle of Christ breathed his last.....as only they had the authority from God to pass on these supernatural gifts via the laying on of hands (Acts 8:13-19)

Today, remains HOPE, FAITH and CHARITY/LOVE..........love being the greatest of the gifts from God.

Oh, I think I get it now. God promises countless miracles, and the only reason he doesn't deliver on them is because the people he promised all that to just aren't good enough. Seems odd that the percentage of those that do receive those miracles is exactly the same as random chance provides.

Providence favors those who love God. Not because of anything God does for them but because of what their love for God does for them because those are the people who ask themselves what was it that God wanted me to learn from this or that.

So introspection is only possible for a Bible thumper, right?

Introspection on what God wanted them to learn, yes.

Or do you ask yourself what God wanted you to learn often?

Of course that's only a part of it. The other part is the happiness one gets from having a relationship with God. Happiness leads to success.

I see. And happiness is not possible for anyone but those who share your religion too. Please tell me more.

I didn't say that. During the storms in life the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. Whereas in the religious state of mind additional sacrifices are made to increase happiness.

I'm not going to suffer without complaint. Complaining is one of the earned rights gained by getting old. That doesn't mean I don't also experience sublime joy.

Not in the storms you don't. Anger drips from you.

You confuse disagreeing with your absurd views with anger.

No. I've had enough discussions with you over a long enough period of time to see it. You are one pissed off mother fucker.

If you say so.

100%. I know it and you know it.

As always, your thoughts will be given all the consideration they deserve.

I hope for nothing.
I fear nothing.
I am free.

 

[zaangalewa]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God.

Replace it with "respect" - that's the word today which is more near to this word how it was used in the past. To fear a king was once an absolutelly normal thing. Fear expresses that the own will is not as mighty as the will of the ruler. And in case of god it means to fear only god - nothing else - not even the own death. So this fear makes brave.

He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

Again: To be a god fearing woman/man means to follow the rules of god. But you are totally right: We follow important rules because we love Jesus the Christ. That's the very best motivation and leads us to listen to the holy spirit. Basic question: "If it is not love - whatelse is it good for?".

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God. He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

The "fear" of God is the beginning of wisdom. (Prov. 9:10) Wisdom not as measured by man......but God. The wise pays no attention to what man says (as man has been known to lie on occasion)......the wise follow the advise of God who cannot lie.

The wisest man in scripture tells us, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's ALL. (or very purpose for being). -- Eccl 12:13

Why fear God? Fear not man who can kill your physical body, but fear Him who can put your very soul asunder for eternity.

Who of us does not despise ISIS? Remember the videos of people being burnt alive? As horrendous as that is, at least ISIS showed mercy in letting their victims die. Personally, I would like to see ISIS nutters get the same treatment in return but they could have tortured with fire without letting their victims die but that's not what they did.

Why would anyone worship a god who sets innocent people on fire but never lets that fire go out?

That's about as monstrous as it gets.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I've read the Bible. The god described there is petty and cruel.

Yeah. Throwing a tantrum and downing the entire world. Pretty sick.

(Of course, the only ones who actually drowned were those who worshiped that particular god.)

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God.

Replace it with "respect" - that's the word today which is more near to this word how it was used in the past. To fear a king was once an absolutelly normal thing. Fear expresses that the own will is not as mighty as the will of the ruler. And in case of god it means to fear only god - nothing else - not even the own death. So this fear makes brave.

He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

Again: To be a god fearing woman/man means to follow the rules of god. But you are totally right: We follow important rules because we love Jesus the Christ. That's the very best motivation and leads us to listen to the holy spirit. Basic question: "If it is not love - whatelse is it good for?".

When you say "god's word", do you mean the ten commandments? Wondering because the first 5 are all about him and his fragile little ego.

 

[zaangalewa]

I've read the Bible. The god described there is petty and cruel.

Yeah. Throwing a tantrum and downing the entire world. Pretty sick.

(Of course, the only ones who actually drowned were those who worshiped that particular god.)

I see this said or written many many times and I don't understand why anyone would fear God.

Replace it with "respect" - that's the word today which is more near to this word how it was used in the past. To fear a king was once an absolutelly normal thing. Fear expresses that the own will is not as mighty as the will of the ruler. And in case of god it means to fear only god - nothing else - not even the own death. So this fear makes brave.

He loves us. My dad loved me. I didn't fear him at all. What I DID fear was disappointing him, or making him sad or angry. I loved him...so making him feel negatively for an action I did, or a word I said, or how I conducted myself in certain situations..yes...I feared the hurt look he would get. Same with God. But what I gather from the phrase : "I am a God Fearing woman/man", I take it as fearing He Who Loves Us. How can one fear Him knowing that?

Again: To be a god fearing woman/man means to follow the rules of god. But you are totally right: We follow important rules because we love Jesus the Christ. That's the very best motivation and leads us to listen to the holy spirit. Basic question: "If it is not love - whatelse is it good for?".

When you say "god's word", do you mean the ten commandments? Wondering because the first 5 are all about him and his fragile little ego.

Where did I say "god's word"? Where did I speak about the 10 commandements? What do you interpret here? What's your context?