Zone1 Why did Jesus insist that the commandments be observed?

[norwegen]

Jesus told them to observe the law until heaven and earth pass away.

They did that. They were attending temple and observing Jewish custom until judgment came upon Judea, when heaven and earth passed away.

 

[ding]

the 1st century repudiation of judaism is the springboard for its eventual collapse in 70ce - as is the warning from jesus for them to mend their ways by removing the false commandments madeup by the liar moses and all other such commands not bearing any semblance to the heavens they failed to heed.

Will Moses be equal to you in heaven?

 

[ding]

Don’t be a silly boo-boo.

Just so you know... according to Jewish beliefs, you'll be paling around in heaven with anti-Semitics and Hitler.

While Judaism places its primary emphasis on ethical behavior and action in this world (Olam Ha-Zeh), it teaches that human actions directly impact the soul’s experience in the afterlife, known as Olam Ha-Ba (the World to Come).

Jewish tradition holds that the righteous merit Gan Eden (a spiritual Paradise), while the wicked endure Gehinnom (a temporary place of purification).

Mainstream Jewish tradition teaches that Gehinnom (often translated as hell or purgatory) is a place of spiritual cleansing and purification for souls—both Jewish and Gentile—that need it. It is not considered a place of eternal damnation, but rather a temporary "supernal washing machine".

 

[onefour1]

One of the purposes of this life is for mankind to learn to choose good and become a good being in and of himself. God has given us the law that we might learn and contemplate the goodness of the law and choose of our own free will to accept it into our hearts and live by its principles.

 

[MarathonMike]

I am familiar with the testimony of Joseph Smith. Are you familiar with the testimony of Jesus Christ?

Yes, both my Parents were devout Christians. Too many things just didn't add up.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes, both my Parents were devout Christians. Too many things just didn't add up.

Specifically, what is one of the main things that don't seem to add up for you?

 

[Woodznutz]

One of the purposes of this life is for mankind to learn to choose good and become a good being in and of himself. God has given us the law that we might learn and contemplate the goodness of the law and choose of our own free will to accept it into our hearts and live by its principles.

Exactly. We live by the principles of the Law, which transcend the written Law.

 

[BreezeWood]

Exactly. We live by the principles of the Law, which transcend the written Law.

principals are what to live by that's all there is to be heavenly - there are no heavenly laws written or transcended.

 

[Woodznutz]

principals are what to live by that's all there is to be heavenly - there are no heavenly laws written or transcended.

So, we get to make up our own principles? Isn't that how we get into trouble?

 

[MarathonMike]

Specifically, what is one of the main things that don't seem to add up for you?

If you don't believe that Jesus is God, then no matter how you conduct your life and treat other people means nothing. You are damned. And the flip side is you can be the most corrupt, evil person on the planet but accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior gives you a "Get out of Hell Free" card.

That's probably the main thing.

 

[ding]

You are damned.

No. You will be judged. Being judged does not mean being damned.

Do you have a problem with being judged? Isn't that part of being accountable?

But even if you do believe Jesus is God, that doesn't mean you can do anything you want without being held accountable.

 

[ding]

Yes, both my Parents were devout Christians. Too many things just didn't add up.

Is there anything else that didn't add up besides what you posted in post #70?

 

[Meriweather]

If you don't believe that Jesus is God, then no matter how you conduct your life and treat other people means nothing. You are damned. And the flip side is you can be the most corrupt, evil person on the planet but accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior gives you a "Get out of Hell Free" card.

That's probably the main thing.

It has been said about the Bible that one can splash in the shallows, or one can choose to dive into its depths. For example, the Gospel of John takes pains to present Jesus as the Word of God. If one accepts one, then it follows one accepts the other.

Sure, someone can say they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior...but...who judges the human heart? Recall Jesus saying to some who claimed to have known him, "Depart, you evil ones. I never knew you." So, we think we know Jesus....remember to consider, Does Jesus know us? I love the parable Remember the parable that tells us the Kingdom of God is searching for those of value. On our part, we are searching for the pearl of great price and to be careful we don't walk right past it.

When I was a kid, a priest and I were talking about my atheist grandfather. He asked, "Do you love your grandfather?" The answer was, of course! Very much! And the priest told me, "God loves him more."

 

[MarathonMike]

No. You will be judged. Being judged does not mean being damned.

Do you have a problem with being judged? Isn't that part of being accountable?

But even if you do believe Jesus is God, that doesn't mean you can do anything you want without being held accountable.

Yes we already went over the "judgement" discussion in our previous thread. That said, what does accountability matter when all you have to do is pray and say "Jesus I have sinned, I repent and accept you as my savior". Bingo! All is forgiven, here is your ticket to Heaven. Doesn't sound like accountability to me.

 

[ding]

Yes we already went over the "judgement" discussion in our previous thread. That said, what does accountability matter when all you have to do is pray and say "Jesus I have sinned, I repent and accept you as my savior". Bingo! All is forgiven, here is your ticket to Heaven. Doesn't sound like accountability to me.

I don't believe it's as simple as that. Because that doesn't sound like accountability to me either. So if it's not that, what is it?

 

[BreezeWood]

So, we get to make up our own principles? Isn't that how we get into trouble?

that's what you do - your false commandments you use to persecute and victimize the innocent ...

heavenly principles are inviolable, can not be made up.

 

[Woodznutz]

that's what you do - your false commandments you use to persecute and victimize the innocent ...

heavenly principles are inviolable, can not be made up.

I think the last 6 commandments pretty well sum up the heavenly principles.

 

[BreezeWood]

I think the last 6 commandments pretty well sum up the heavenly principles.

there are no commandments from the heavens to sum up as principles - those used by the desert to persecute and victimize the innocent - stone throwing w-nutz - are manufactured for narrow and self serving purposes.

the admission then is they are not heavenly religions - just tools to punish people who have free spirits and are not sinners.

 

[MarathonMike]

I don't believe it's as simple as that. Because that doesn't sound like accountability to me either. So if it's not that, what is it?

In the Biblical context, I am not an expert but this sounds like what accountability means:

The Bible indicates that those who reject God, refuse to repent, or do not believe in Jesus Christ will face punishment in hell (or the lake of fire). Key verses, such as Revelation 21:8 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9, explicitly mention that the unrighteous, unbelieving, and disobedient will suffer eternal destruction away from the presence of God.

 

[ding]

In the Biblical context, I am not an expert but this sounds like what accountability means:

The Bible indicates that those who reject God, refuse to repent, or do not believe in Jesus Christ will face punishment in hell (or the lake of fire). Key verses, such as Revelation 21:8 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9, explicitly mention that the unrighteous, unbelieving, and disobedient will suffer eternal destruction away from the presence of God.

Sorry. I don't read it that way. Maybe it's the church you attended. Did your church spend a lot of time on that subject because mine didn't.