Why Are US Churches Tax Exempt?

[DudleySmith]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

 

[Wyatt earp]

9/11 and the wars (called "Crusades" by GW) with Arab countries that came after that. Want to bet me that I can name more?

Just because Bush used the word Crusade doesn't mean our intervention into the middle east was about religion. Anyone with two working brain cells knows it was about oil.
Gen. Eisenhower gave a speech to the troops right before D-Day and told them they were embarking on a Great Crusade against Germany.
Again, not about religion. ...

9/11 was done because of our support of Israel, Osama bin Laden says so in a video online. So yes, it's about religion. So was fighting the military arm of ISIS. And the Taliban as well.
WWII was partly about wiping out the Jews. So yes, it has a tinge of religiosity in it. Why do you deny the Holocaust? I would have thought that Muslims were all for that?

Not saying that it didn't. Is that all you have?

It's comical when atheists go off on the dangers of religion after seeing what happened in the 20th century.

Actually, nobody was killed for being an atheist, and nobody was killed because the killers were atheists.

You sound like you're 13 years old

 

[dblack]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or campaigning for a candidate, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

 

[DudleySmith]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

 

[Wyatt earp]

Churches are tax exempt and exempt from child rape charges. The government of the people lets them do that.

Nope.
Now you are just making shit up.
Numerous ministers/priest have been jailed for child fucking.
You are of course referring to the Catholic church.
That is different. Because in all of those cases the church got the victims and their parents to not turn the priest in. So law enforcement was not aware of it. There were rumors abound, but no proof until the famous spotlight expose that uncovered years of abuse by numerous priest and - you bet - the church protected.
But you can't go after molesters where the victim won't cooperate.
For this, you need to hold the Catholic church, in it's entirety, responsible for it. Beginning with denouncing it, admitting it and dissolve a practice that leads to it.

That is the result of the Chuch being tolerant of faggots, same with the Scouts. Faggots should never ever be allowed around children; they're mentally ill and have many pedophiles for such a small demographic, which is also why they have such gangs as NAMBLA as prominent groups and Pedophiles like Harry Hay in founding their 'Rights' movement.

You're confused. Regular homos have nothing to do with pedophilia. Those are called pedophiles.

Kat Matthew sock​

 

[DudleySmith]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conduct an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

Auxillaries are a different story, and it is usually these auxillilary operations that are actually incorporated as 501.c3's, not the church itself. Churches don't have to incorporate, all they need is a letter for their donors tax deductions to be considered legit. These people in the OP want an exemption for their donors no other political party gets.

 

[dblack]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

As long as they stay in their place. As long as they conform to the state's definition of a "church", and don't violate any IRS rules (eg limiting their political activities, et al). If they step out of line and lose their 501-c-3 status, they can be audited like any other business.

 

[DudleySmith]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

As long as they stay in their place. As long as they conform to the state's definition of a "church", and don't violate any IRS rules (eg limiting their political activities, et al). If they step out of line and lose their 501-c-3 status, they can be audited like any other business.

The govt. doesn't define what a 'church' is, they just concern themselves with what is a legitiate tax deduction and what isn't for donors.

 

[dblack]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

As long as they stay in their place. As long as they conform to the state's definition of a "church", and don't violate any IRS rules (eg limiting their political activities, et al). If they step out of line and lose their 501-c-3 status, they can be audited like any other business.

The govt. doesn't define what a 'church' is ...

Of course they do. Not just any business can call itself a church and get the exemption.

 

[DudleySmith]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

As long as they stay in their place. As long as they conform to the state's definition of a "church", and don't violate any IRS rules (eg limiting their political activities, et al). If they step out of line and lose their 501-c-3 status, they can be audited like any other business.

The govt. doesn't define what a 'church' is ...

Of course they do. Not just any business can call itself a church and get the exemption.

No, they don't; they have guidelines they follow; most of them are not laws, contrary to popular belief. Incorporating as a 501.c3 is an option, not a requirement, mostly for their auxillaries, and the onus is on the Treasury Dept. to prove they aren't a church. With this group in the OP, it's clear they are not forming a church, but a PAC. There is a copy of the IRS letter out there, which they claim is the one they recieived; it's clear their claims are mostly bullshit re what the IRs really said, and it is indeed true they will just be a PAC for Republican candidates. They are Republican political consultants and activists, and they aren't forming a church. If churches raised their money by running bakeries or car dealerships or other full time businesses, then it's obvious who would be complaining about having to compete with them and their tax exemptions, for instance. The 501.c3 determination letter is just a convenience for donors, and in no way requires a church to actually incorporate to qualify.

 

[dblack]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

As long as they stay in their place. As long as they conform to the state's definition of a "church", and don't violate any IRS rules (eg limiting their political activities, et al). If they step out of line and lose their 501-c-3 status, they can be audited like any other business.

The govt. doesn't define what a 'church' is ...

Of course they do. Not just any business can call itself a church and get the exemption.

No, they don't; they have guidelines they follow; most of them are not laws, contrary to popular belief. Incorporating as a 501.c3 is an option, not a requirement, mostly for their auxillaries, and the onus is on the Treasury Dept. to prove they aren't a church. With this group in the OP, it's clear they are not forming a church, but a PAC. There is a copy of the IRS letter out there, which they claim is the one they recieived; it's clear their claims are mostly bullshit re what the IRs really said, and it is indeed true they will just be a PAC for Republican candidates. They are Republican political consultants and activists, and they aren't forming a church. If churches raised their money by running bakeries or car dealerships or other full time businesses, then it's obvious who would be complaining about having to compete with them and their tax exemptions, for instance. The 501.c3 determination letter is just a convenience for donors, and in no way requires a church to actually incorporate to qualify.

Well, I've been reading info to the contrary here: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf - they seem to have a whole list of rules, er "guidelines", describing how a church can lose its tax exempt status.

Maybe the IRS is just punking me.

Whatever. I don't really do the church thing so it's no skin off my back. I just hate seeing people falling for a con. Most people think of tax incentives as "benefits", not realizing that they're all about control.

 

[DudleySmith]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

As long as they stay in their place. As long as they conform to the state's definition of a "church", and don't violate any IRS rules (eg limiting their political activities, et al). If they step out of line and lose their 501-c-3 status, they can be audited like any other business.

The govt. doesn't define what a 'church' is ...

Of course they do. Not just any business can call itself a church and get the exemption.

No, they don't; they have guidelines they follow; most of them are not laws, contrary to popular belief. Incorporating as a 501.c3 is an option, not a requirement, mostly for their auxillaries, and the onus is on the Treasury Dept. to prove they aren't a church. With this group in the OP, it's clear they are not forming a church, but a PAC. There is a copy of the IRS letter out there, which they claim is the one they recieived; it's clear their claims are mostly bullshit re what the IRs really said, and it is indeed true they will just be a PAC for Republican candidates. They are Republican political consultants and activists, and they aren't forming a church. If churches raised their money by running bakeries or car dealerships or other full time businesses, then it's obvious who would be complaining about having to compete with them and their tax exemptions, for instance. The 501.c3 determination letter is just a convenience for donors, and in no way requires a church to actually incorporate to qualify.

Well, I've been reading info to the contrary here: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf - they seem to have a whole list of rules, er "guidelines", describing how a church can lose its tax exempt status.

Maybe the IRS is just punking me.

Whatever. I don't really do the church thing so it's no skin off my back. I just hate seeing people falling for a con. Most people think of tax incentives as "benefits", not realizing that they're all about control.

Those are all guidelines re 501.c3', again incorporating isn't a requirement, legal or otherwise; they apply mainly to auxillary activities. Look up the Catholic Church as an example; it forms many 501.c3's, lots of them in every state in the union, yet the actual church itself isn't incorporated, and they don't file any reports on their church incomes at all, so not even the IRS knows how much the church itself pulls in every year, while they do know how much its charities and auxiliaries bring in via their 990 filings and other reports. The church itself reports nothing at all, zip, and it can't be forced to.

If you read the documentation carefully, you will also find notes that churches have exceptions to 501.c3 requirements; not all 501.c3's are churches.

 

[DudleySmith]

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

As long as they stay in their place. As long as they conform to the state's definition of a "church", and don't violate any IRS rules (eg limiting their political activities, et al). If they step out of line and lose their 501-c-3 status, they can be audited like any other business.

The govt. doesn't define what a 'church' is ...

Of course they do. Not just any business can call itself a church and get the exemption.

No, they don't; they have guidelines they follow; most of them are not laws, contrary to popular belief. Incorporating as a 501.c3 is an option, not a requirement, mostly for their auxillaries, and the onus is on the Treasury Dept. to prove they aren't a church. With this group in the OP, it's clear they are not forming a church, but a PAC. There is a copy of the IRS letter out there, which they claim is the one they recieived; it's clear their claims are mostly bullshit re what the IRs really said, and it is indeed true they will just be a PAC for Republican candidates. They are Republican political consultants and activists, and they aren't forming a church. If churches raised their money by running bakeries or car dealerships or other full time businesses, then it's obvious who would be complaining about having to compete with them and their tax exemptions, for instance. The 501.c3 determination letter is just a convenience for donors, and in no way requires a church to actually incorporate to qualify.

Well, I've been reading info to the contrary here: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf - they seem to have a whole list of rules, er "guidelines", describing how a church can lose its tax exempt status.

Maybe the IRS is just punking me.

Whatever. I don't really do the church thing so it's no skin off my back. I just hate seeing people falling for a con. Most people think of tax incentives as "benefits", not realizing that they're all about control.

Oh, a few are, but not many. I'm still waiting for all that proof from the Osteen haters that he is a crook living tax free in a big giant mansion n stuff. He hasn't taken a dime from his church since 2005, when he had his first best selling book, and he pays for his tours out of his own pocket, a practice started by Billy Graham and copied by most evangelicals. I can find at least $300 million in up front advances alone from major publishers for his books, some 35 or so at last count, and not counting further royalties, yet his net worth is only some $100 million, plus he paid off all of his church's construction bonds and other debts, which is not what a crook would do. He is also not a 'Prosperity Gospel' hack, which the usual deviants keep claiming here but yet can't post a single video of him ever asking for a dime on any of his thousands of broadcast sermons on TV.

The fact is those who like to make these false claims about many of these evangelicals are bigger crooks and weasels far more selfish and self-indulgent deviants then the people they're criticizing, and in any case, people who do fall for prosperity gospel types are dishonest themselves. trying to buy their way into Heaven, when the NT itself condemns such people as crooks themselves, so in general it's a stupid argument, and now we see the BLM's top commie faggots buying themselves big giant zillion dollar house, like their mentor Uncle Bernie has three of.

I don't like Bennie Hinn, but he's a poor crook as well. He's the only biggie who is paid a salary, but he also turns over all his royalty and other income to the ministry, and takes a paltry $2 million to $5 million out of a revenue of over $125 million a year, so he sucks at being a crook, too. As the entire franchise he brings all the dough in himself. If you want to bring up Duplantis and Copeland. fine, but they make up a very tiny pair compared to the the numbers on the air every week, so not much traction for the faggot Xian haters there; their beloved Democratic Party is crammed to the rafters with far more crooks and more violent and nasty ones to boot.

 

[sparky]

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or campaigning for a candidate, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Tax-exempt status for churches and religious organizations serves a continuing social benefit to American society and is consistent with our country’s commitment to keep the government from unnecessary entanglements with religion.

As long as they stay in their place.

Pastors have the same rights to free speech as anybody else. They can speak on whatever they feel like speaking on, political issues or not. They just can't use their church organizations to support specific candidates; as individuals they can publicly support anybody they please.

Right, as long as the church refrains from "excessive" political activity, or promoting any kind of legislation, or, essentially, pissing off the government, they get the exemption.

Yes, and even then the IRS has severe restrictions on even conducting an audit at all.

Special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church | Internal Revenue Service

Overview of rules on tax inquiries and examinations of churches.

www.irs.gov

These people in the OP want an exemption for their donors no other political party gets.

As long as they stay in their place.

With this group in the OP, it's clear they are not forming a church, but a PAC

If you read the documentation carefully, you will also find notes that churches have exceptions to 501.c3 requirements

Quite the conundrum fellas....

from the IRS link>>>>

Church Audits - Reasonable belief requirement | Internal Revenue Service

Meaning of "reasonable belief" in Code section 7611

www.irs.gov

• Voters guides created and/or distributed by the church

>>>>>>

Christian Voter Guide - Home

www.christianvoterguide.com

so much for separation of church/ state , eh?

~S~

 

[JoeBlow]

Churches are tax exempt and exempt from child rape charges. The government of the people lets them do that.

Nope.
Now you are just making shit up.
Numerous ministers/priest have been jailed for child fucking.
You are of course referring to the Catholic church.
That is different. Because in all of those cases the church got the victims and their parents to not turn the priest in. So law enforcement was not aware of it. There were rumors abound, but no proof until the famous spotlight expose that uncovered years of abuse by numerous priest and - you bet - the church protected.
But you can't go after molesters where the victim won't cooperate.
For this, you need to hold the Catholic church, in it's entirety, responsible for it. Beginning with denouncing it, admitting it and dissolve a practice that leads to it.

That is the result of the Chuch being tolerant of faggots, same with the Scouts. Faggots should never ever be allowed around children; they're mentally ill and have many pedophiles for such a small demographic, which is also why they have such gangs as NAMBLA as prominent groups and Pedophiles like Harry Hay in founding their 'Rights' movement.

You're confused. Regular homos have nothing to do with pedophilia. Those are called pedophiles.

Rubbish. You're the confused one, obviously reading the fake science propoganda put out by activists as a counter to Jesse Helm's raising a stink about NAMBLA's founding role and membership in the ILGA back in the '90's, forcing Bill Clinton to deny granting the deviants UN NGO status. Faggots are around 2% of the population, yet they commit 35% to over 50% of all kiddie rapes, far out of proportion to their demographics, and we also know from the last major FBI investigation that the faggot kiddie rapists will also rape little girls if no little boys are handy.

There you go, you're confusing NAMBLA with regular homos. Apples and oranges.

 

[JoeBlow]

9/11 and the wars (called "Crusades" by GW) with Arab countries that came after that. Want to bet me that I can name more?

Just because Bush used the word Crusade doesn't mean our intervention into the middle east was about religion. Anyone with two working brain cells knows it was about oil.
Gen. Eisenhower gave a speech to the troops right before D-Day and told them they were embarking on a Great Crusade against Germany.
Again, not about religion. ...

9/11 was done because of our support of Israel, Osama bin Laden says so in a video online. So yes, it's about religion. So was fighting the military arm of ISIS. And the Taliban as well.
WWII was partly about wiping out the Jews. So yes, it has a tinge of religiosity in it. Why do you deny the Holocaust? I would have thought that Muslims were all for that?

Not saying that it didn't. Is that all you have?

It's comical when atheists go off on the dangers of religion after seeing what happened in the 20th century.

Actually, nobody was killed for being an atheist, and nobody was killed because the killers were atheists.

You sound like you're 13 years old

Want me to teach you how to post properly?

 

[Wyatt earp]

JoeBlow want me to knark to kat?

 

[JoeBlow]

JoeBlow want me to knark to kat?

What does that mean?

 

[Wyatt earp]

JoeBlow want me to knark to kat?

What does that mean?

I know who's sock this is

 

[JoeBlow]

JoeBlow want me to knark to kat?

What does that mean?

I know who's sock this is

Sorry, you've lost me. I'm a sock? Like a sock puppet? Means I'm stupid, very funny.