Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argues there is no separation of church and state in U.S. Constitution

[candycorn]

So in the act of praying, he's passing a law? I was taught how a bill becomes law. I don't recall this being the procedure.

Are you arguing that all representives of the government (sheriffs, deputies, the guy at the DMV, postal workers, meat inspectors) are lawmakers?

I won’t speak for PK but what he’s saying is that the football coach is a public employee--and is--at the time of leading a group in prayer--getting paid by the government. Hence a representative of the government.

Clearly you know he meant this...why the charade?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I won’t speak for PK but what he’s saying is that the football coach is a public employee--and is--at the time of leading a group in prayer--getting paid by the government. Hence a representative of the government.

1st amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

Please copy and past the text from the 1st amendment violated by the coach.

^^^^^
Knows he has no meaningful response.

 

[DStar777]

Are you arguing that all representtives of the government (sheriffs, deputies, the guy at the DMV, postal workers, meat inspectors) are lawmakers?

Nope. The other side is claiming that a "representative of government" cannot lead students in a group prayer. I'm trying to understand what law forbids this. The First Amendment prohibits legislation of any kind that establishes a religion or prohibits the free exercise of religion. Is this "rep of govt" passing any laws? No. They are exercising their religion.. the very thing that the First Amendment protects.

 

[Rawley]

So you are ok with Sharia Law? Wow.

not sure what connection you are trying to make.

 

[candycorn]

Nope.

Nope? LOL

The other side is claiming that a "representative of government" cannot lead students in a group prayer. I'm trying to understand what law forbids this.

Here ya go.

Guidance on Constitutionally Protected Prayer and Religious Expression in Public Elementary and Secondary Schools

ED's guidance on constitutionally protected prayer and religious expression.

www.ed.gov

The First Amendment prohibits legislation of any kind that establishes a religion or prohibits the free exercise of religion. Is this "rep of govt" passing any laws? No. They are exercising their religion.. the very thing that the First Amendment protects.

So you’d be just fine with a Muslim teacher getting your child to bow down on a prayer rug facing Mecca?

Lie to all of us and say “yes”.

 

[candycorn]

Kids are legally required to be in school. Making/coercing/applying peer pressure to them to repeat something they don’t believe or were not taught by their parents is just another way or gaining conformity by making them choose between being an outcast or conforming.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Kids are legally required to be in school. Making/coercing/applying peer pressure to them to repeat something they don’t believe or were not taught by their parents is just another way or gaining conformity by making them choose between being an outcast or conforming.

1st amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

Please copy and past the text from the 1st amendment violated by the coach.