Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argues there is no separation of church and state in U.S. Constitution

So in the act of praying, he's passing a law? I was taught how a bill becomes law. I don't recall this being the procedure.
Are you arguing that all representives of the government (sheriffs, deputies, the guy at the DMV, postal workers, meat inspectors) are lawmakers?

I won’t speak for PK but what he’s saying is that the football coach is a public employee--and is--at the time of leading a group in prayer--getting paid by the government. Hence a representative of the government.

Clearly you know he meant this...why the charade?
 
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I won’t speak for PK but what he’s saying is that the football coach is a public employee--and is--at the time of leading a group in prayer--getting paid by the government. Hence a representative of the government.
1st amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

Please copy and past the text from the 1st amendment violated by the coach.

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^^^^^
Knows he has no meaningful response.
 
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Are you arguing that all representtives of the government (sheriffs, deputies, the guy at the DMV, postal workers, meat inspectors) are lawmakers?
Nope. The other side is claiming that a "representative of government" cannot lead students in a group prayer. I'm trying to understand what law forbids this. The First Amendment prohibits legislation of any kind that establishes a religion or prohibits the free exercise of religion. Is this "rep of govt" passing any laws? No. They are exercising their religion.. the very thing that the First Amendment protects.
 
Nope? LOL
The other side is claiming that a "representative of government" cannot lead students in a group prayer. I'm trying to understand what law forbids this.
Here ya go.
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The First Amendment prohibits legislation of any kind that establishes a religion or prohibits the free exercise of religion. Is this "rep of govt" passing any laws? No. They are exercising their religion.. the very thing that the First Amendment protects.
So you’d be just fine with a Muslim teacher getting your child to bow down on a prayer rug facing Mecca?

Lie to all of us and say “yes”.
 
Kids are legally required to be in school. Making/coercing/applying peer pressure to them to repeat something they don’t believe or were not taught by their parents is just another way or gaining conformity by making them choose between being an outcast or conforming.
 
Kids are legally required to be in school. Making/coercing/applying peer pressure to them to repeat something they don’t believe or were not taught by their parents is just another way or gaining conformity by making them choose between being an outcast or conforming.
1st amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

Please copy and past the text from the 1st amendment violated by the coach.
 
The LT Governor of Texas, the most influential position in the state (history there), as part of a Trump Commission, is arguing there is no separation of Church and State. Given the Texas Republican's sudden fear of Sharia law, this appears to be a terrifying position to take. Thoughts USMB?

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argues there is no separation of church and state in U.S. Constitution​

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick speaks during a press conference on Monday, June 23, 2025, in Austin. Patrick was addressing about Gov. Greg Abbott’s veto the night before of the legislature’s bill to ban THC products.
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argued "there is no such thing as ‘separation of church and state' in the U.S. Constitution." He issued the statement this week in his role as chair of President Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission, which plans to make federal policy recommendations in May.

"For too long, the anti-God left has used this phrase to suppress people of religion in our country," Patrick said. "During all 7 Commission hearings, witness after witness testified that the so-called ‘separation of church and state' was used to take their God-given religious liberty rights away."

Patrick’s remarks come as Texas is involved in multiple battles over the dividing line between church and state. These include multiple lawsuits over the enforcement of Senate Bill 10, which requires the display of an explicitly Protestant translation of the Ten Commandments in every Texas public school classroom, as well as efforts by Gov. Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton — the latter a candidate for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate — to target what they call the implementation of Islamic religious law.

Douglas Laycock, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Texas School of Law, called Patrick’s statement a “very old claim from people who want to use government power to impose their religious practices on other people.”

"It is literally true that the word separation of church and state do not appear in the Constitution, but the idea clearly appears in the Constitution," Laycock added.

Sam Martin, Frank Church Chair of Public Affairs at Boise State University, said that, while it is technically true that the words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the Constitution, the principle is shorthand for what is embedded in the First Amendment's ban on a government-established religion.

"Religious people have every reason and claim to make arguments and be in public life," Martin said. "But [Patrick is] not just arguing that religious people belong in public life. He’s arguing for a more privileged role for Christianity in public institutions, and I think that that is less defensible and less in line with what we know about the founding and the Constitution and certainly the way the courts have interpreted rights to religious freedom.”

Patrick said the commission will deliver its recommendations to Trump on how to "safeguard" Americans' religious liberty next month.

"What I think Patrick is doing, and what this commission seems to be heading toward, is attacking the very fundamental idea that government should remain, let’s say, institutionally separate from religion," Martin said. "And that is a hallmark of Christian nationalist practice."
Patrick is right. The Constitution does not ban Christian influence in government or the freedom of exercising religion in public. The Constitution simply disallows establishing Christianity, Islam, Humanism, or any other religion as the religion of government.
 
Patrick is right. The Constitution does not ban Christian influence in government or the freedom of exercising religion in public. The Constitution simply disallows establishing Christianity, Islam, Humanism, or any other religion as the religion of government.
which is what happens when you put up your version of the Ten Commandments.
 
Correct but the state is secular and can support no religion over another and must protect all religions. Judaism and Christianity are under attack by the left. The democrats refused to defend them even supported it
I`m left and rarely miss church on Sunday and I don`t attack it. Apparently, you`re full of shit as all people who stereotype others are.
 
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The left hates religion we all know that. Didnt the Biden FBI target the Catholic Church.
They did and what Biden had to do with it, I have no idea. There was never a "Biden FBI" whatever that`s supposed to be. Presidents have a lot of things on their plate. The FBI targeted me when I protested the Vietnam War. BFD
 
Hey, dumbshit...
What part of the Constitution did Jefferson write?
Hey, stupid ass, Madison had a major part in the writing of the Constitution, and he totally agreed with Jefferson on separation of church and state. His defense of separation was the blood soaked soil of Europe from religious wars. And he was correct. Should it ever be decided that only Christianity will be legal in the US, the next step will be one group within Christianity demanding that everyone else accept their vision of what is acceptable. And then punishment of those that dissent as enemies of God. We have seen this in history again and again. No matter what the religion. So church and state must be kept separate.
 
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