'No Separation Of Church And State': Trump's Religious Liberty Commission Reveals Its Priorities

[C_Clayton_Jones]

‘One member calls for a Presidential Medal of Freedom for a baker who refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. Another calls for court interventions by the Department of Justice on behalf of Amish parents fighting New York vaccine requirements and Catholic nuns challenging that state’s requirement that they accommodate hospice patients’ gender identities.

And the chair of the Religious Liberty Commission is calling for a federal hotline with this automated recording: “There is no separation of church and state.”. These are just some of the recommendations that members of the advisory panel formed by President Donald Trump last year want to see included in the commission’s final report.

That report is still in the works, but commissioners had an opportunity to describe their wish lists during their most recent meeting in April. There was little dissent as the commissioners, most drawn from Trump’s base of conservative Christian supporters, covered the items they want in the report.

Their ideas reflect the prevailing perspectives on the definition of religious liberty among many conservative Catholic and evangelical activists: increasing avenues for religious expression in public schools; expanding opportunities for faith-based organizations to receive public money; and allowing for religious-based exemptions in areas ranging from labor law to classroom lessons to healthcare mandates. Such views have also been reflected in Supreme Court decisions issued in recent years by its conservative majority.’

‘No Separation Of Church And State’: Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission Reveals Its Priorities

President Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission is preparing to make recommendations after more than a year of hearings.

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The Framers understood the dangers of conjoining church and state and wisely amended the Constitution to prevent it.

 

[80zephyr]

There never was a separation of church and state.

 

[1srelluc]

I know that smell!

Pure Bunker.

 

[struth]

‘One member calls for a Presidential Medal of Freedom for a baker who refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. Another calls for court interventions by the Department of Justice on behalf of Amish parents fighting New York vaccine requirements and Catholic nuns challenging that state’s requirement that they accommodate hospice patients’ gender identities.

And the chair of the Religious Liberty Commission is calling for a federal hotline with this automated recording: “There is no separation of church and state.”. These are just some of the recommendations that members of the advisory panel formed by President Donald Trump last year want to see included in the commission’s final report.

That report is still in the works, but commissioners had an opportunity to describe their wish lists during their most recent meeting in April. There was little dissent as the commissioners, most drawn from Trump’s base of conservative Christian supporters, covered the items they want in the report.

Their ideas reflect the prevailing perspectives on the definition of religious liberty among many conservative Catholic and evangelical activists: increasing avenues for religious expression in public schools; expanding opportunities for faith-based organizations to receive public money; and allowing for religious-based exemptions in areas ranging from labor law to classroom lessons to healthcare mandates. Such views have also been reflected in Supreme Court decisions issued in recent years by its conservative majority.’

‘No Separation Of Church And State’: Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission Reveals Its Priorities

President Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission is preparing to make recommendations after more than a year of hearings.

www.huffpost.com

The Christo-fascist right has long wanted to eliminate Establishment Clause jurisprudence and abandon the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

Religion is the bane of humankind – used for millennia to justify racism, bigotry, misogyny, and hate; today is no different, the Christo-fascist right seeks to codify Christian dogma into secular law and disadvantage those who refuse to conform.

The Framers understood the dangers of conjoining church and state and wisely amended the Constitution to prevent it.

The baker should get the medal. Took a lot of courage to stand up to tyrants forcing him to work

There is no separation of church and state on the Constitution

It’s under silly and frankly sad anyone would expect a religious person to give up their faith to work in govt

That’s the sort of thing National socialist did

 

[1srelluc]

John Adams famously stated, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

There never was a separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson would not have agreed.......are you smarter than Thomas Jefferson??

 

[my2¢]

One of the troubles of mixing religion and government is that those calling for it treat religion as a sort of cafeteria plan.

For example, I'm guessing those who desire the 10 Commandments be posted in public school classrooms would have no use for Exodus 22:21 or 23:9 being posted alongside it.

 

[struth]

Thomas Jefferson would not have agreed.......are you smarter than Thomas Jefferson??

James Madison did, he wrote the constitution

 

[80zephyr]

Thomas Jefferson would not have agreed.......are you smarter than Thomas Jefferson??

An opinion is not law. Until the 1960's, religion was taught in public schools until a liberal supreme court miraculously found out that allowing it was against the Constitution.

The founders did not separate the church from the state. Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

James Madison did, he wrote the constitution

Bullshit! !! James Madison was a staunch advocate for the separation of church and state, believing it was essential for protecting religious liberty and preventing the sectarian strife he saw in Europe. As the "Father of the Constitution" and a key proponent of the Bill of Rights, he believed conscience was the most sacred property and that government should not meddle in religious

• Opposition to State Religion: Madison fought against government-supported churches, notably opposing Patrick Henry’s attempt to levy taxes to support Christian congregations in Virginia.
• "Memorial and Remonstrance": In 1785, he wrote a famous petition arguing against government-sponsored religion, arguing that legal support for religion was not necessary and hindered true piety.
• Advocate for Free Exercise: He believed that true religious freedom allowed for the free exercise of all faiths, or no faith at all, without state interference.

 

[80zephyr]

Bullshit! !! James Madison was a staunch advocate for the separation of church and state, believing it was essential for protecting religious liberty and preventing the sectarian strife he saw in Europe. As the "Father of the Constitution" and a key proponent of the Bill of Rights, he believed conscience was the most sacred property and that government should not meddle in religious

• Opposition to State Religion: Madison fought against government-supported churches, notably opposing Patrick Henry’s attempt to levy taxes to support Christian congregations in Virginia.
• "Memorial and Remonstrance": In 1785, he wrote a famous petition arguing against government-sponsored religion, arguing that legal support for religion was not necessary and hindered true piety.
• Advocate for Free Exercise: He believed that true religious freedom allowed for the free exercise of all faiths, or no faith at all, without state interference.

Nothing in your citation of Madison requires a church/state separation.

 

[struth]

An opinion is not law. Until the 1960's, religion was taught in public schools until a liberal supreme court miraculously found out that allowing it was against the Constitution.

The founders did not separate the church from the state. Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion.

A lot of Demafacist harp on a part quote from Jefferson

Jefferson’s concern was the clergy running the govt, like the Vatican or Church of England

What he never suggested was that a religious person give up their faith to serve in govt

Heck he himself served in govt and made clear that he believed his rights were given to him by a creator

 

[struth]

Bullshit! !! James Madison was a staunch advocate for the separation of church and state, believing it was essential for protecting religious liberty and preventing the sectarian strife he saw in Europe. As the "Father of the Constitution" and a key proponent of the Bill of Rights, he believed conscience was the most sacred property and that government should not meddle in religious

• Opposition to State Religion: Madison fought against government-supported churches, notably opposing Patrick Henry’s attempt to levy taxes to support Christian congregations in Virginia.
• "Memorial and Remonstrance": In 1785, he wrote a famous petition arguing against government-sponsored religion, arguing that legal support for religion was not necessary and hindered true piety.
• Advocate for Free Exercise: He believed that true religious freedom allowed for the free exercise of all faiths, or no faith at all, without state interference.

Then why didn’t he write those words in the constitution?

Of course he opposed a state sponsored religion., we aren’t talking about that, nor do we have one

We are talking about free exercise of, and people are free to exercise their faith

What he didn’t. Say was there is a separation of church and state

Because he expected people to exercise their faith, even those serving the state

 

[EdwinAMartin]

‘One member calls for a Presidential Medal of Freedom for a baker who refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. Another calls for court interventions by the Department of Justice on behalf of Amish parents fighting New York vaccine requirements and Catholic nuns challenging that state’s requirement that they accommodate hospice patients’ gender identities.

And the chair of the Religious Liberty Commission is calling for a federal hotline with this automated recording: “There is no separation of church and state.”. These are just some of the recommendations that members of the advisory panel formed by President Donald Trump last year want to see included in the commission’s final report.

That report is still in the works, but commissioners had an opportunity to describe their wish lists during their most recent meeting in April. There was little dissent as the commissioners, most drawn from Trump’s base of conservative Christian supporters, covered the items they want in the report.

Their ideas reflect the prevailing perspectives on the definition of religious liberty among many conservative Catholic and evangelical activists: increasing avenues for religious expression in public schools; expanding opportunities for faith-based organizations to receive public money; and allowing for religious-based exemptions in areas ranging from labor law to classroom lessons to healthcare mandates. Such views have also been reflected in Supreme Court decisions issued in recent years by its conservative majority.’

‘No Separation Of Church And State’: Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission Reveals Its Priorities

President Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission is preparing to make recommendations after more than a year of hearings.

www.huffpost.com

The Christo-fascist right has long wanted to eliminate Establishment Clause jurisprudence and abandon the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

Religion is the bane of humankind – used for millennia to justify racism, bigotry, misogyny, and hate; today is no different, the Christo-fascist right seeks to codify Christian dogma into secular law and disadvantage those who refuse to conform.

The Framers understood the dangers of conjoining church and state and wisely amended the Constitution to prevent it.

Ah, another psycho rant from a deviant sociopath. And, it just parrots old crap long refuted as well.

How special!

 

[EdwinAMartin]

The separation clause was a restriction on the Federal govt., not the individual states. Pretty basic, and easily proven by the fact that individual states did indeed keep their established religions, and for decades after ratification. Some Federalists were trying to make the Anglican Church the national sect, hence the clause in [b} The Federal Constitution[/b], limiting the power of THE FEDERAL GOVT. to interfere with religion, i.e. Christianity, since it was the only religion that mattered at the time.

 

[struth]

People arent going to actually like a free exercise......

This is true, because it’s actually free, it’s just so many Americans prefer to pay a gym membership

 

[EdwinAMartin]

People arent going to actually like a free exercise......

That's because nutjobs think it applies to insane violent political cults like Islam, i.e. idiots with no common sense and have no idea of original intent. Sniveling homo fetishists weren't cared about either.

 

[markef]

‘One member calls for a Presidential Medal of Freedom for a baker who refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. Another calls for court interventions by the Department of Justice on behalf of Amish parents fighting New York vaccine requirements and Catholic nuns challenging that state’s requirement that they accommodate hospice patients’ gender identities.

And the chair of the Religious Liberty Commission is calling for a federal hotline with this automated recording: “There is no separation of church and state.”. These are just some of the recommendations that members of the advisory panel formed by President Donald Trump last year want to see included in the commission’s final report.

That report is still in the works, but commissioners had an opportunity to describe their wish lists during their most recent meeting in April. There was little dissent as the commissioners, most drawn from Trump’s base of conservative Christian supporters, covered the items they want in the report.

Their ideas reflect the prevailing perspectives on the definition of religious liberty among many conservative Catholic and evangelical activists: increasing avenues for religious expression in public schools; expanding opportunities for faith-based organizations to receive public money; and allowing for religious-based exemptions in areas ranging from labor law to classroom lessons to healthcare mandates. Such views have also been reflected in Supreme Court decisions issued in recent years by its conservative majority.’

‘No Separation Of Church And State’: Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission Reveals Its Priorities

President Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission is preparing to make recommendations after more than a year of hearings.

www.huffpost.com

The Christo-fascist right has long wanted to eliminate Establishment Clause jurisprudence and abandon the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate.

Religion is the bane of humankind – used for millennia to justify racism, bigotry, misogyny, and hate; today is no different, the Christo-fascist right seeks to codify Christian dogma into secular law and disadvantage those who refuse to conform.

The Framers understood the dangers of conjoining church and state and wisely amended the Constitution to prevent it.

Leftists believe the Constitution forbids Christian influence in a government all but married to atheistic humanism.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Then why didn’t he write those words in the constitution?

Of course he opposed a state sponsored religion., we aren’t talking about that, nor do we have one

We are talking about free exercise of, and people are free to exercise their faith

What he didn’t. Say was there is a separation of church and state

Because he expected people to exercise their faith, even those serving the state

Isn't it implied by "...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…"?

 

[jacksonlamb]

There never was a separation of church and state.

Sure has been. The Constitution does not establish a church, and it prevents religious oaths.

Tax money to organized religion disenfranchises non-believers, thus validating no taxation without representation.