Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argues there is no separation of church and state in U.S. Constitution

[Rawley]

Another fool that thinks they understand the Constitution better than Thomas Jefferson.

You speak with Tom regularly?

 

[Old Rocks]

The left hates religion we all know that. Didnt the Biden FBI target the Catholic Church.

While many intelligent people hold some of the ideas in various religions in contempt as they contradict obvious reality, we on the left do not hate religion. In fact, most admire men like Jimmy Carter that actually try to live what Christ taught. We hold the hypocritical "Christians?", that praise God on Sunday and screw their fellow man on Monday. And that seems to include all of MAGA.

 

[Old Rocks]

As a Christian I strongly believe mixing Christianity, or any religion, into politics and govt, will negatively affect the religion. Theocracies just dont work.

Jefferson feared religion would corrupt government, Madison feared government would corrupt religion. They were both right.

 

[Old Rocks]

You speak with Tom regularly?

I read what he has written, as you obviously should try doing.

Thomas Jefferson’s Quote on Ignorance​

One of Thomas Jefferson’s most well‑known statements on ignorance is:

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” libertytree.ca

 

[Rawley]

which is what happens when you put up your version of the Ten Commandments.

So, which religion does it establish, Judaism, Christianity, or Islam?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The LT Governor of Texas, the most influential position in the state (history there), as part of a Trump Commission, is arguing there is no separation of Church and State. Given the Texas Republican's sudden fear of Sharia law, this appears to be a terrifying position to take. Thoughts USMB?

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argues there is no separation of church and state in U.S. Constitution

Patrick spoke as chair of President Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission, which is planning to make federal policy recommendations in May.

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Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argues there is no separation of church and state in U.S. Constitution​

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick speaks during a press conference on Monday, June 23, 2025, in Austin. Patrick was addressing about Gov. Greg Abbott’s veto the night before of the legislature’s bill to ban THC products.
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick argued "there is no such thing as ‘separation of church and state' in the U.S. Constitution." He issued the statement this week in his role as chair of President Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission, which plans to make federal policy recommendations in May.

"For too long, the anti-God left has used this phrase to suppress people of religion in our country," Patrick said. "During all 7 Commission hearings, witness after witness testified that the so-called ‘separation of church and state' was used to take their God-given religious liberty rights away."

Patrick’s remarks come as Texas is involved in multiple battles over the dividing line between church and state. These include multiple lawsuits over the enforcement of Senate Bill 10, which requires the display of an explicitly Protestant translation of the Ten Commandments in every Texas public school classroom, as well as efforts by Gov. Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton — the latter a candidate for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate — to target what they call the implementation of Islamic religious law.

Douglas Laycock, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Texas School of Law, called Patrick’s statement a “very old claim from people who want to use government power to impose their religious practices on other people.”

"It is literally true that the word separation of church and state do not appear in the Constitution, but the idea clearly appears in the Constitution," Laycock added.

Sam Martin, Frank Church Chair of Public Affairs at Boise State University, said that, while it is technically true that the words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the Constitution, the principle is shorthand for what is embedded in the First Amendment's ban on a government-established religion.

"Religious people have every reason and claim to make arguments and be in public life," Martin said. "But [Patrick is] not just arguing that religious people belong in public life. He’s arguing for a more privileged role for Christianity in public institutions, and I think that that is less defensible and less in line with what we know about the founding and the Constitution and certainly the way the courts have interpreted rights to religious freedom.”

Patrick said the commission will deliver its recommendations to Trump on how to "safeguard" Americans' religious liberty next month.

"What I think Patrick is doing, and what this commission seems to be heading toward, is attacking the very fundamental idea that government should remain, let’s say, institutionally separate from religion," Martin said. "And that is a hallmark of Christian nationalist practice."

Hey Pat, Ganga is my Lord. Praise be Lemon Cherry Gelato

End public school altogether. Give parents of school age children a voucher to spend as they see fit

 

[Rawley]

I read what he has written, as you obviously should try doing.

Thomas Jefferson’s Quote on Ignorance​

One of Thomas Jefferson’s most well‑known statements on ignorance is:

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” libertytree.ca

So you don't know his thoughts on the notion of separation of church and state.

 

[Zincwarrior]

So, which religion does it establish, Judaism, Christianity, or Islam?

A specific evangelical denomination of Christianity.

Imagine if the State mandated posting the Pillars of Islam. MAGAs here would lose their minds. They cannot even handle a private party holding a Muslim day at a water park.

 

[Rawley]

A specific evangelical denomination of Christianity.

Because it says "keep" the sabbath rather then "remember" the sabbath? LOL

 

[Zincwarrior]

Because it says "keep" the sabbath rather then "remember" the sabbath? LOL

No. The Jewish Commandments are quite a bit different. Eastern Orthodox and Catholic are different still.

 

[August West]

You speak with Tom regularly?

Perhaps he reads books. Those are stacks of paper that are attached to each other on one side and each one has a number on it.

 

[Rawley]

No. The Jewish Commandments are quite a bit different. Eastern Orthodox and Catholic are different still.

I'll bite, what's the most significant difference?

 

[Zincwarrior]

I'll bite, what's the most significant difference?

Key Aspects of Jewish Commandments

• Structure: They are divided into two tablets: one focusing on relationships between man and God, and the other on relationships between human and human.
• Context: Unlike other religions, in Judaism, these are viewed as categories or headings for the 613 commandments rather than simply the "top ten" laws.