Zone1 Who are Jesus' disciples?

[ninja007]

The Jesus of J.W.'s

who is Jesus to the Jehovahs witness organization and why is he not deity as the son of God.

www.letusreason.org

 

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[kjw47]

Now you're changing the topic like a well trained JW when you know you can't go any further. Pitiful. You aren't a Bible scholar. You're a Watchtower parrot.

Better than being mislead into not entering Gods kingdom because they outright refuse to listen to english--Here 100% truth from Paul--1 Cor 8:6--There is ONE God to all-the Father---not Father, son and holy spirit. But you will outright refuse to believe one appointed direct by Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

and what would that be then as today, liberation theology, self determination - nowhere found in the c-bible, religion of servitude.

who you kidding, no one in the 1st century knew anything about a messiah than the phony jew story that no one then or now would give their life for.

The OT is filled with prophecy's concerning the Messiah.

 

[kjw47]

can you prove that the 6th seal has been opened for almost 2,000 years and we are now in the tribulation?

We aren't in the tribulation. Babylon the greats fall triggers it.

 

[kjw47]

Rev.7 tells us they are 12,000 from each tribe of the Jews sealed for service. Their mission is to preach the gospel to all nations as the fulfillment of Mt.24:14. How is this possible today if the Bible teaches they are all to be sealed at the same time? According to the Watchtower there are 6,000 alive today and the rest were sealed from the time of the apostles. If the Bible says they are all sealed together at one time in the tribulation Rev. 7, this means that they can't be sealed today. Now we have another contradiction, how could the 144,000 be from the time of the apostles? When the Watchtower originally taught for almost 50 years the new covenant is a thing of the future and now teach they were being sealed from the time of the apostles.

Many back in Jesus day are apart of the little flock. When Jesus sat on his throne( Rev 6:1, Rev 12:1)1914) i believe the first resurrection began and that is when the sealing began in the words mentioned at Rev 7.

 

[BS Filter]

Better than being mislead into not entering Gods kingdom because they outright refuse to listen to english--Here 100% truth from Paul--1 Cor 8:6--There is ONE God to all-the Father---not Father, son and holy spirit. But you will outright refuse to believe one appointed direct by Jesus.

Wrong. Here's a Bible lesson for you to study. You didn't quote the entire verse, another little trick your liars in the Watchtower taught you. It says "one Lord, Jesus Christ". Read this.

Are the term 'God' and 'Lord' in 1 Corinthians 8:6 equally divine designations?

ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ Α΄ 8:6 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort / [NA27 and UBS4 variants] ἀλλ' ἡμῖν εἷς θεὸς ὁ πατήρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν, καὶ εἷς κύριος Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, δι' οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖ...

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[BS Filter]

Better than being mislead into not entering Gods kingdom because they outright refuse to listen to english--Here 100% truth from Paul--1 Cor 8:6--There is ONE God to all-the Father---not Father, son and holy spirit. But you will outright refuse to believe one appointed direct by Jesus.

You fell into the same trap pagans fall into. You claim to have one Supreme God (Jehovah) and a lesser God (Jesus). By Paul identifying Jesus as Lord, Paul is saying Jesus is Jehovah of the Old Testament. Only God is to be worshipped. Paul worshipped Jesus as did others. Your heretic teachers would translate the same Greek word for "worship" to "obeisance" when it was applied to Jesus. That's why your Bible is a fraud. Christians are to believe Scripture, not change Scripture to fit our beliefs. That's why the Watchtower is a cult of heretics. When you read this verse you go "See, one God and one Lord (not God). That's because you're programmed in unitarian doctrine. Jesus told us that the only way to know the Father is to know the Son, and you don't know the Son. You're never going to understand God until you understand who Jesus is.

 

[BreezeWood]

Living to do Jesus Fathers will is why they were murdered in the first century, just as Jesus did-John 5:30, Matt 7:21

The OT is filled with prophecy's concerning the Messiah.

who you kidding, no one in the 1st century knew anything about a messiah than the phony jew story that no one then or now would give their life for.

those in the 1st century who were persecuted died for the same reason as jesus, liberation theology, self determination - not one died for the jew messiah or the latter 4th century christian version no one in the 1st century knew anything about that's written by the crucifiers in their c-bible. liest of all jesus.

and through the centuries ...

they continued to be persecuited, the true deciples of the 1st century, the religion of antiquity.

 

[kjw47]

Wrong. Here's a Bible lesson for you to study. You didn't quote the entire verse, another little trick your liars in the Watchtower taught you. It says "one Lord, Jesus Christ". Read this.

Are the term 'God' and 'Lord' in 1 Corinthians 8:6 equally divine designations?

ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ Α΄ 8:6 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort / [NA27 and UBS4 variants] ἀλλ' ἡμῖν εἷς θεὸς ὁ πατήρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν, καὶ εἷς κύριος Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, δι' οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖ...

hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

The Father is the only one called God in 1 Cor 8:6--Jesus is mentioned but not called God now is he.

 

[kjw47]

You fell into the same trap pagans fall into. You claim to have one Supreme God (Jehovah) and a lesser God (Jesus). By Paul identifying Jesus as Lord, Paul is saying Jesus is Jehovah of the Old Testament. Only God is to be worshipped. Paul worshipped Jesus as did others. Your heretic teachers would translate the same Greek word for "worship" to "obeisance" when it was applied to Jesus. That's why your Bible is a fraud. Christians are to believe Scripture, not change Scripture to fit our beliefs. That's why the Watchtower is a cult of heretics. When you read this verse you go "See, one God and one Lord (not God). That's because you're programmed in unitarian doctrine. Jesus told us that the only way to know the Father is to know the Son, and you don't know the Son. You're never going to understand God until you understand who Jesus is.

The title GOD and LORD all capitols does not belong in the OT-YHWH belongs. That is where your deception comes from. By satans will wicked men removed Gods name and replaced it with those titles. God inspired his name in those spots because he wants it there. Removed to mislead. Removed by wicked men who fear taking Gods name in vain. The righteous do not fear taking Gods name in vain. The wicked keep the name out to support satans will over Gods will. Your scholars know every word above is fact, that is the sad thing about 2 billion being mislead into serving a non existent trinity. And you will find out every word above is fact, now or when its to late--your choice.

 

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The Father is the only one called God in 1 Cor 8:6--Jesus is mentioned but not called God now is he.

Jesus is called Lord, isn't he. Who is Lord?

 

[kjw47]

those in the 1st century who were persecuted died for the same reason as jesus, liberation theology, self determination - not one died for the jew messiah or the latter 4th century christian version no one in the 1st century knew anything about that's written by the crucifiers in their c-bible. liest of all jesus.

and through the centuries ...

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they continued to be persecuited, the true deciples of the 1st century, the religion of antiquity.

You are sadly mistaken.

 

[BS Filter]

The title GOD and LORD all capitols does not belong in the OT-YHWH belongs. That is where your deception comes from. By satans will wicked men removed Gods name and replaced it with those titles. God inspired his name in those spots because he wants it there. Removed to mislead. Removed by wicked men who fear taking Gods name in vain. The righteous do not fear taking Gods name in vain. The wicked keep the name out to support satans will over Gods will. Your scholars know every word above is fact, that is the sad thing about 2 billion being mislead into serving a non existent trinity. And you will find out every word above is fact, now or when its to late--your choice.

No one removed anything. You've been lied to and keep repeating the lie like a parrot.

 

[kjw47]

No one removed anything. You've been lied to and keep repeating the lie like a parrot.

Best check, even your scholars know its fact, best check--even your scholars know the Israelites NEVER served a trinity while serving the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) -- its your life everlasting on the line.

 

[BS Filter]

Best check, even your scholars know its fact, best check--even your scholars know the Israelites NEVER served a trinity while serving the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) -- its your life everlasting on the line.

You're hung up on the trinity. You're unaware that the New Testament reveals God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Answer this...Is it possible God could be Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

 

[kjw47]

You're hung up on the trinity. You're unaware that the New Testament reveals God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Answer this...Is it possible God could be Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Israel served the true living God-The Abrahamic God=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God. This God was taught to and served by Jesus and every bible writer when they attended the Israelite places of worship. Your scholars know its 100% fact.

 

[BS Filter]

Israel served the true living God-The Abrahamic God=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God. This God was taught to and served by Jesus and every bible writer when they attended the Israelite places of worship. Your scholars know its 100% fact.

You didn't answer my question. Is it possible for God to be Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

 

[Clyde 154]

At Matthew 28:19-20-- We find The ones who take the lead in the real congregation that Jesus is the head of, Teach the flock to observe all things( every single teaching) i have commanded you. Those are the real disciples that follow Jesus.
Since every teaching is involved, a real disciple taught by the ones who take the lead in the religion that has Jesus, knows this teaching by heart already.
Matt 6:33- Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.(sustenance, covering, spirituality)Matt 6)-- Since Jesus said-FIRST--that means its a super important teaching. Its super important that one does this daily in their lives to be real disciples of Jesus.
ALL can look at what they are taught to see if Jesus is really with them or not. If one is not taught that super important truth as i have shown, they are not being taught ibn a religion that has Jesus.
Are you being taught that super important truth, and every single teaching Jesus commanded?

The only "True Disciples" of Christ are those who walk in the light. John 12:36 tells us that Jesus is "the light" and we are to become "sons of lights". (1 John 1:7) informs us that we are to "walk in the light". What is the Light? Jesus tells us that He is "TRUTH" (John 14:6) and (3 John 3) tells us we are to "walk in truth". We are to "walk in His commandments" (2 John 4), If we love Jesus we will follow His commandments (John 14:15)

It's not complicated, Jesus teaches in crystal clarity with no ambiguity, His mission statement in coming to earth was to PRESENT TRUTH that comes from Heaven as the only method for mankind to find eternal salvation, "For this purpose was I born and for this purpose I have come into the world...to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice." -- John 18:37.

"I am the way, and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." -- John 14:6

Conclusion: Those who walk in the light of the truth are the disciples of Christ.

 

[kjw47]

You didn't answer my question. Is it possible for God to be Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

no, so answer my post about the true God served by Israel.