Zone1 There's more to Jesus' "turning over the tables" incident than people realize

[buttercup]

A long time ago I lived in Perrysburg Ohio for a decade. It was the start when Muslims were moving in.

I shared an apartment with a Christian friend, and our neighbors were 4 Arab Muslims.

I wasn't home at the time, but my roommate was.

He heard a lot of noise from their apartment and he went over to see what was going on.

One of the 4 Arabs came out of the bathroom holding a large blood stained knife. He was also drenched in blood!

My roommate told me he looked so stereotypically Arab.

The guy holding the knife told him they bought a sheep and slit it's throat in the bathtub.

My roommate went to look and he said there was blood EVERYWHERE!

I Never saw any of this, but when he told me about it all I said to him was, "******* savages!"

I liked these guys before this but that changed my opinion of them forever.

I sure can't see God thinking this behavior represents Him at all

I don't even know where to begin with that. But that seriously almost made me lose my lunch.

You reminded me of a video clip I saw of a Muslim man who was about to slit the throat of a chicken in front of a few kids. Actually, instead of explaining it, I'll just find the clip and post it.



Here's what I really believe and what I think that video (and there's many more like it) shows... We weren't born that violent and heartless. The kids have it right. Innocent kids want to pet and play with animals, not slit their throats. The violence and apathy is TAUGHT. Leo Tolstoy put it this way: "Compassion towards animals is so natural to us, that only through conditioning could we become callous towards their suffering and death."

And of course I agree with you that that barbaric behavior does not represent the God we know is a God of love and peace. It does not represent the God who made His intent perfectly clear in the Garden of Eden and in the prophetic scriptures about the Peaceable Kingdom to come, when the wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together, and a child will lead them.

And the point that innocent children have it right I think goes along with what Jesus said about the Kingdom of Heaven and becoming like children. (Which I just happened to change my signature to today)

 

[irosie91]

- could actually have been you, 91 - the defender of that practice.

to just what practice do you refer----entirely humane slaughter of animals for food other
than the wildly barbaric EATING OF THE LIMB OF THE LIVING---practiced by your cohort?
or the HUNTING season in upstate New York?----the torture murder of Bambi?

 

[The Irish Ram]

I don't even know where to begin with that. But that seriously almost made me lose my lunch.

You reminded me of a video clip I saw of a Muslim man who was about to slit the throat of a chicken in front of a few kids. Actually, instead of explaining it, I'll just find the clip and post it.



Here's what I really believe and what I think that video (and there's many more like it) shows... We weren't born that violent and heartless. The kids have it right. Innocent kids want to pet and play with animals, not slit their throats. The violence and apathy is TAUGHT. Leo Tolstoy put it this way: "Compassion towards animals is so natural to us, that only through conditioning could we become callous towards their suffering and death."

And of course I agree with you that that barbaric behavior does not represent the God we know is a God of love and peace. It does not represent the God who made His intent perfectly clear in the Garden of Eden and in the prophetic scriptures about the Peaceable Kingdom to come, when the wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together, and a child will lead them.

And the point that innocent children have it right I think goes along with what Jesus said about the Kingdom of Heaven and becoming like children. (Which I just happened to change my signature to today)

And children have guardian angels:

Matthew 18:10-14 “Be careful. Don't think these little children are worth nothing. I tell you that they have angels in heaven who are always with my Father in heaven.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And children have guardian angels:

Matthew 18:10-14 “Be careful. Don't think these little children are worth nothing. I tell you that they have angels in heaven who are always with my Father in heaven.

And except you become like these little children, YOU WILL IN NO WAY ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

God takes this stuff pretty seriously

 

[BreezeWood]

to just what practice do you refer----entirely humane slaughter of animals for food other
than the wildly barbaric EATING OF THE LIMB OF THE LIVING---practiced by your cohort?
or the HUNTING season in upstate New York?----the torture murder of Bambi?

that was abraham, from the beginning defying the heavens their own decision to substitute an innocent lamb for their son - the corruption of all three desert religions.

their contribution to garden earth ... abraham.

who's cohorts that's what jesus is saying for that practice, deliberately sacrificing what does not belong to them to the heavens who created them - good luck.

ex. i drive ellen to church nearly every morning, she makes me give her $5.00 - then gives the 5 to the church ... who's kidding who.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

One of the few times Jesus displayed righteous anger was when He famously turned over the tables in the Temple, an incident written about in all the Gospels... Also known as the Cleansing of the Temple.

Here's the passage, in Matthew 21:

And Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all those who were selling and buying on the temple grounds, and He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. 13 And He *said to them, “It is written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a den of robbers.”​

When Jesus stated the words “...but you have made it a den of robbers” He was referencing an Old Testament verse, Jeremiah 7:11.

Here's the verse:

“Has this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I myself have seen it, declares the Lord.”​

Now here's something that many Christians may not know....

When you look at that verse, specifically at the word translated to "robber"... the original Hebrew word actually has to do with violence. The primary definition of the word "parits" is violent one or destroyer. You can see that here.

Why is the meaning of that original word important? Because I believe it shows that Jesus didn't turn over the tables simply because of the money being exchanged in the Temple. If we go by the primary meaning of that original word, He was saying "You have turned my Father's house into a den of violence."

Another clue that gives weight to this idea that it was about more than just buying and selling, but about violence and animal sacrifices in the Temple is the surrounding context of that Jeremiah 7 verse. But I'll get to that later... if there is any interest in this topic.

So of course Jesus was angry about the buying and selling going on in the Temple. But in my view, it goes deeper than that. There was so much bloodshed going on in the Temple because of the animal sacrifices, as well as caged animals... and I think it's very clear that Jesus wanted to put an end to that, once and for all. And of course as Christians we know that He DID put an end to it, because Jesus became the "once for all" final sacrifice (Hebrews 10:5-14) offering His own body as the perfect lamb of God.

Check out the following reel. The woman doing the interviewing is Gianna Simone. She's a Christian and an actress (she's been in some very popular Christian movies) and she's interviewing a friend of mine, Craig, on this topic:

Why would Jesus, being God (because many assert he said he was) and knowing and planning to the letter what would happen, rasil against the money changers because that had to have happened to make his story be believed. The same as with his death on the cross. All a play in the cosmos.

 

[irosie91]

Why would Jesus, being God (because many assert he said he was) and knowing and planning to the letter what would happen, rasil against the money changers because that had to have happened to make his story be believed. The same as with his death on the cross. All a play in the cosmos.

Jesus attacked the "money changers" because they represented the Romans just as did the tax collectors
and other appointed officials like the "high priests" and even King Herod. He was a Hero in the rebellion
against Rome. The money changers, tax collectors, and 'high priests' were very much like the LOYALISTS
in the time of the American Revolutionary War-----Jesus et al were like the PATRIOTS ---like Nathan Hale.
(for the record---in Pre 1776 America----Loyalists often got OFF'd. The situation had nothing to do with
animal sacrifice. Christians are still sacrificing animals----check out upstate New York during the Fall DEER
SEASON. (for the record---making a sport out of killing animals ---as christians do----is absolutely
forbidden in Judaism)

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Jesus attacked the "money changers" because they represented the Romans just as did the tax collectors
and other appointed officials like the "high priests" and even King Herod. He was a Hero in the rebellion
against Rome. The money changers, tax collectors, and 'high priests' were very much like the LOYALISTS
in the time of the American Revolutionary War-----Jesus et al were like the PATRIOTS ---like Nathan Hale.
(for the record---in Pre 1776 America----Loyalists often got OFF'd. The situation had nothing to do with
animal sacrifice. Christians are still sacrificing animals----check out upstate New York during the Fall DEER
SEASON. (for the record---making a sport out of killing animals ---as christians do----is absolutely
forbidden in Judaism)

They were part of his plan.

 

[irosie91]

Why would Jesus, being God (because many assert he said he was) and knowing and planning to the letter what would happen, rasil against the money changers because that had to have happened to make his story be believed. The same as with his death on the cross. All a play in the cosmos.

for a play they should have hired ARISTOPHANES-he knew how to HOLD ATTENTION

 

[Paradoxical#1]

for a play they should have hired ARISTOPHANES-he knew how to HOLD ATTENDION

Or Jasmine Crockett.

 

[ding]

Or Jasmine Crockett.

Or your role model Vladimir Lenin.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus attacked the "money changers" because they represented the Romans just as did the tax collectors
and other appointed officials like the "high priests" and even King Herod. He was a Hero in the rebellion
against Rome. The money changers, tax collectors, and 'high priests' were very much like the LOYALISTS
in the time of the American Revolutionary War-----Jesus et al were like the PATRIOTS ---like Nathan Hale.
(for the record---in Pre 1776 America----Loyalists often got OFF'd. The situation had nothing to do with
animal sacrifice. Christians are still sacrificing animals----check out upstate New York during the Fall DEER
SEASON. (for the record---making a sport out of killing animals ---as christians do----is absolutely
forbidden in Judaism)

the romans had nothing to do with the 1st century events - the religious itinerants objective is the repudiation of judaism's false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid et al.

inside the temple courtyard is not roman territory or rule. is the significance of the event.

 

[BreezeWood]

inside the temple courtyard is not roman territory or rule. is the significance of the event.

91 implies the romans ruled the temple w/ armed guards inside to insure judaism behaved as told to ...

didn't stop the itinerant from giving their advice as the exemplars feared neither rome nor moses and their phony commandments.

 

[irosie91]

91 implies the romans ruled the temple w/ armed guards inside to insure judaism behaved as told to ...

didn't stop the itinerant from giving their advice as the exemplars feared neither rome nor moses and their phony commandments.

Breezie---don't quit your day job----you have no skills

 

[BreezeWood]

Breezie---don't quit your day job----you have no skills

do you deny the event occurred having nothing whatsoever to do with rome and everything to do with mosaic / abrahamic judaism - false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid.

 

[irosie91]

do you deny the event occurred having nothing whatsoever to do with rome and everything to do with mosaic / abrahamic judaism - false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid.

you know I do deny your idiot historic revisionism. Jesus was a Pharisee hero----he fought the lackeys of Rome in the Temple courtyard-----and for that he was crucified----like Thomas Paine

 

[BreezeWood]

you know I do deny your idiot historic revisionism. Jesus was a Pharisee hero----he fought the lackeys of Rome in the Temple courtyard-----and for that he was crucified----like Thomas Paine

jesus was not a jew of any type as non lifted a finger to help him no one claims judaism died on the cross that was them that crucified him the ones who were being repudiated their false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid.

the same today as then as to their crime and denial of the truth.