What is Zionism?

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Every cent and more. They are our insurance policy.
P.S: We don't "give" Israel any money. Check out the stipulations they have to abide by.

How is Israel our insurance policy?

You Zionists cre truly kooks of biblical proportions.

In the aftermath of WWII some Jews went to Palestine because they believed if they had their own sectarian state in the Middle East they would be safer than living in Europe. This is the meaning of Zionism. They tell us nowadays, however, that they live in a hostile part of the world. Wouldn't you know?

For Jews it's an insurance policy , not for america

Zionism in Israel is a policy that will maintain a cruel oppression over the indigenous Arab people of Palestine as long as it exists.

Arabia is Southeast of Israel.

A people cannot be indigenous of dozens of different places.

Either the Arabs are indigenous of Arabia, or they are indigenous of Egypt, of Lebanon, Syria, Morocco, Libya, Tunisia.

Which is it ?

Where are Arabs indigenous from, Eloy?

And how have the indigenous people of all of those places I just mentioned above been faring ever since the Arabs took over their indigenous lands?

Uh, the Arabs clearly absorbed people from the Levant on the way in.

So, no things aren't so Black, and White.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Zionism in Israel is a policy that will maintain a cruel oppression over the indigenous Arab people of Palestine as long as it exists.

Zionism is a policy of Jewish sovereignty over ancestral Jewish land. Nothing more. There is nothing either cruel or oppressive about wanting sovereignty and self-determination over your indigenous homelands. There is nothing inherently cruel in the concept. That is what most peoples want. Kurds, Tibetans, Catalonians, Basques, First Nations, and Palestinians are all examples. The Jewish people are no different.

(Yes, yes, I know you are going to argue that the Jewish people are not indigenous to Israel, but that is a foolish argument against recognizable reality.)

Why is there a term for Jewish terms to statehood, and not Palestinian terms to statehood?

 

[Sixties Fan]

You do not get to change the meaning of the word Zionism simply because Jews have been successful in not being totally destroyed by loony Christians and Muslims.

What loony Christians? Oh, never mind.

Interbreeding, etc, etc, etc.

You are a sad Jew hater.

Every single pathetic thing thrown against Jews you keep repeating on the threads here.

If the European Jews wanted to form a homeland in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. They didn't.

I'd take issue to a Jewish homeland in Europe, these thieving vagabonds don't deserve land in Europe either.

Jews never wanted any other land but their own.
And they did not get all of it. Less than 20 %.

And you guys are the ones crying

 

[Sixties Fan]

Every cent and more. They are our insurance policy.
P.S: We don't "give" Israel any money. Check out the stipulations they have to abide by.

How is Israel our insurance policy?

You Zionists cre truly kooks of biblical proportions.

In the aftermath of WWII some Jews went to Palestine because they believed if they had their own sectarian state in the Middle East they would be safer than living in Europe. This is the meaning of Zionism. They tell us nowadays, however, that they live in a hostile part of the world. Wouldn't you know?

For Jews it's an insurance policy , not for america

Do not speak for America.
Stop treating the government of the USA as some retarded relative you are trying to put away, simply because it won't do what you want it to do.

I have posted what the USA gets from Israel. How they help each other, which is what every other country in good terms with the USA does.

You wish to portray these allies as being poisonous, especially Israel to the USA.

No other country is poisonous to the USA?

How about China?
How about Russia?

I am sure that there are others which may not be good as an "insurance policy" for the USA.

But only Israel you keep targeting, not caring how wrong what you have learned about that relationship is.

The U,S makes enemies with 1.6 billion Muslims, to appease 16 million Jews.

No, this is not in our interest.

1.6 Billion Muslims are not demented lunatics. Just a small number of them.

And you are afraid of each and every one of them.

Had it been the Nazis, you would have demanded that the US should never have entered WWII, or WWI for that matter.

Sometimes, ordinary people like yourself do not know anything about what is good for the country, or for the world, period.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You do not get to change the meaning of the word Zionism simply because Jews have been successful in not being totally destroyed by loony Christians and Muslims.

What loony Christians? Oh, never mind.

Interbreeding, etc, etc, etc.

You are a sad Jew hater.

Every single pathetic thing thrown against Jews you keep repeating on the threads here.

If the European Jews wanted to form a homeland in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. They didn't.

I'd take issue to a Jewish homeland in Europe, these thieving vagabonds don't deserve land in Europe either.

Jews never wanted any other land but their own.
And they did not get all of it. Less than 20 %.

And you guys are the ones crying

What land is the Jewish land, the fact is Arabs may have very well lived in Israel even longer.

Stop being delusional and totally misinformed. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You do not get to change the meaning of the word Zionism simply because Jews have been successful in not being totally destroyed by loony Christians and Muslims.

What loony Christians? Oh, never mind.

Interbreeding, etc, etc, etc.

You are a sad Jew hater.

Every single pathetic thing thrown against Jews you keep repeating on the threads here.

If the European Jews wanted to form a homeland in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. They didn't.

I'd take issue to a Jewish homeland in Europe, these thieving vagabonds don't deserve land in Europe either.

Jews never wanted any other land but their own.
And they did not get all of it. Less than 20 %.

And you guys are the ones crying

What land is the Jewish land, the fact is Arabs may have very well lived in Israel even longer.

Stop being delusional and totally misinformed. You are embarrassing yourself.

I'd like to see a document proving Jews lived in Israel longer, than Arabs.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Does family 1. have the right to evict another family 2. who bought the house, because someone once evicted family 1.???

Most people would say no.... Zionists think differently....

And you continue to embarrass yourself

 

[Sixties Fan]

Does family 1. have the right to evict another family 2. who bought the house, because someone once evicted family 1.???

Most people would say no.... Zionists think differently....

And you continue to embarass yourself

Zionists just seem to mostly kick, and scream until they get theirs at all costs.

It's no wonder why you're a fringe in this World.

And you learned all of that while suckling when you were a babe.....
No wonder you can not let all of this Jew hatred go.

How embarrassing

 

[Shusha]

Zionism in Israel is a policy that will maintain a cruel oppression over the indigenous Arab people of Palestine as long as it exists.

Zionism is a policy of Jewish sovereignty over ancestral Jewish land. Nothing more. There is nothing either cruel or oppressive about wanting sovereignty and self-determination over your indigenous homelands. There is nothing inherently cruel in the concept. That is what most peoples want. Kurds, Tibetans, Catalonians, Basques, First Nations, and Palestinians are all examples. The Jewish people are no different.

(Yes, yes, I know you are going to argue that the Jewish people are not indigenous to Israel, but that is a foolish argument against recognizable reality.)

Why is there a term for Jewish terms to statehood, and not Palestinian terms to statehood?

You mean a term like Palestinian nationalism?

 

[Shusha]

You do not get to change the meaning of the word Zionism simply because Jews have been successful in not being totally destroyed by loony Christians and Muslims.

What loony Christians? Oh, never mind.

Interbreeding, etc, etc, etc.

You are a sad Jew hater.

Every single pathetic thing thrown against Jews you keep repeating on the threads here.

If the European Jews wanted to form a homeland in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. They didn't.

I'd take issue to a Jewish homeland in Europe, these thieving vagabonds don't deserve land in Europe either.

Jews never wanted any other land but their own.
And they did not get all of it. Less than 20 %.

And you guys are the ones crying

What land is the Jewish land, the fact is Arabs may have very well lived in Israel even longer.

Seriously? The Jewish people have been there for more than 3000 years. The Arab people have been there for 1300. Who has been there longer?

 

[Shusha]

Does family 1. have the right to evict another family 2. who bought the house, because someone once evicted family 1.???

Most people would say no.... Zionists think differently....

Either the original owner should have the house. Or the most recent occupant should have the house. Either way it's the Jewish people.

You are trying to argue that family 2 has the right to kick out family 1. And family 3 has the right to kick out family 2 but that NO ONE has the right to kick out family 3. You can't work both sides of the coin here.

 

[Hossfly]

What loony Christians? Oh, never mind.

If the European Jews wanted to form a homeland in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. They didn't.

I'd take issue to a Jewish homeland in Europe, these thieving vagabonds don't deserve land in Europe either.

Jews never wanted any other land but their own.
And they did not get all of it. Less than 20 %.

And you guys are the ones crying

What land is the Jewish land, the fact is Arabs may have very well lived in Israel even longer.

Stop being delusional and totally misinformed. You are embarrassing yourself.

I'd like to see a document proving Jews lived in Israel longer, than Arabs.

How about this view?

If Jesus was born around 4 BC and Mohammed was born 570 CE, that is mathematical proof the Ayrabs are Abdul-come-lately. Arabs weren't in Israel until Mo rode in on a unicorn.

 

[Hossfly]

I was being kind, Billo. I know you're not insane. Maybe I should have just said "wacky."

**** off, you kiss-ass! God, I hate people who stroke me.

xoxo

 

[Shusha]

If Jesus was born around 4 BC and Mohammed was born 570 CE, that is mathematical proof the Ayrabs are Abdul-come-lately. Arabs weren't in Israel until Mo rode in on a unicorn.

Isn't the point that he rode OUT on the unicorn?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You do not get to change the meaning of the word Zionism simply because Jews have been successful in not being totally destroyed by loony Christians and Muslims.

What loony Christians? Oh, never mind.

Interbreeding, etc, etc, etc.

You are a sad Jew hater.

Every single pathetic thing thrown against Jews you keep repeating on the threads here.

If the European Jews wanted to form a homeland in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. They didn't.

I'd take issue to a Jewish homeland in Europe, these thieving vagabonds don't deserve land in Europe either.

Jews never wanted any other land but their own.
And they did not get all of it. Less than 20 %.

And you guys are the ones crying

What land is the Jewish land, the fact is Arabs may have very well lived in Israel even longer.

Seriously? The Jewish people have been there for more than 3000 years. The Arab people have been there for 1300. Who has been there longer?

As if roughly 99.9% of Jews didn't leave Israel for Europe, North Africa, and other parts of the Middle-East?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Does family 1. have the right to evict another family 2. who bought the house, because someone once evicted family 1.???

Most people would say no.... Zionists think differently....

Either the original owner should have the house. Or the most recent occupant should have the house. Either way it's the Jewish people.

You are trying to argue that family 2 has the right to kick out family 1. And family 3 has the right to kick out family 2 but that NO ONE has the right to kick out family 3. You can't work both sides of the coin here.

No, normal people don't think it's their right to kick out a people living there.

 

[K9Buck]

The Arabs that chose to stay in Israel and get along and go along thrived. Their children and grand children have too and now Israeli Arabs are in about the 96% percentile in terms of standard of living of Arabs in the middle-east. The creation of Israel was the BEST thing that happened to the vast majority of Israeli Arabs and their ancestors.

 

[Eloy]

Every cent and more. They are our insurance policy.
P.S: We don't "give" Israel any money. Check out the stipulations they have to abide by.

How is Israel our insurance policy?

You Zionists are truly kooks of biblical proportions.

In the aftermath of WWII some Jews went to Palestine because they believed if they had their own sectarian state in the Middle East they would be safer than living in Europe. This is the meaning of Zionism. They tell us nowadays, however, that they live in a hostile part of the world. Wouldn't you know?

Your ignorance keeps showing.

Zionism, the idea or recreating the sovereign Nation of Israel started in 1897. And Jews have always returned to their homeland, at one point or another, for one reason or another. Because of oppression, pogroms, or because they wanted to return.

Herzl and others realized that Europe was never going to treat them like equal human beings, and the oppression and pogroms were going to continue. So, they decided to try to put an end to not having a sovereign homeland for the sake of having a place where Jews from everywhere could come to in order to feel safe.

It did not start AFTER WWII. WWII was a culmination of European and Muslim efforts to get rid of Jews in Europe and in Asia Minor.
The Nazis and the Jihadist got together, Husseini was a good friend of Hitler, and convinced Hitler to not let the Jews come to Palestine as per the Mandate for Palestine to rebuild the Jewish Homeland.

It is ALWAYS best to be sovereign on one's own homeland, live in it free, protect it, defend it and its populations, rather than be at the mercy of any and all anti Jew European Christians and Muslims in Asia Minor, who at any time they chose, could have their followers attack the Jews, rape, rob, and/or kill them.

THIS is the Jewish experience for the past 1700 years at the hands of Christians and Muslims.

Sovereignty over one's own homeland, just as the Kurds about it, is much better.

Just ask ANY sovereign country in the world if it is not better to be the owner of one's own destiny and borders.

Sorry to have to inform you that nobody believes you.

You're one of the dumbest k*nts on this forum, and that's saying something.

You will not hear from me again.

 

[Eloy]

This is absurd on its face. It also assumes a claim on a land because 3000 years ago, people who used to live there ...

No. It is a claim that for more than 3000 years the indigenous Jewish peoples have maintained a home and a presence on their ancestral territory. It is no different than the First Nations peoples of the Americas claiming indigenous presence on their ancestral territory.

...practiced an earlier version of their religion, although it can be equally argued that Islam, Christianity, Mandeanism, and others have an equally good claim as they are also descended from that theology.

Usurping someone's theology does not negate the human rights of the originators of the theology.

So you have to see Zionism for what it actually is, European colonialism in its most naked form.

Oh, I assure you I see accusations of "Zionism" as a dirty word EXACTLY for what it is -- a thinly disguised form of antisemitism. As a test for that, why don't you make me an argument for the Jewish people having a right to self-determination and self-government just like any other people?

European Jews are not a Semitic people. Palestine is not the ancestral land of European Jews any more than it is the ancestral land of European Christians who also laid claim to it and occupied it at the time of the Crusades.

 

[K9Buck]

How is Israel our insurance policy?

You Zionists are truly kooks of biblical proportions.

In the aftermath of WWII some Jews went to Palestine because they believed if they had their own sectarian state in the Middle East they would be safer than living in Europe. This is the meaning of Zionism. They tell us nowadays, however, that they live in a hostile part of the world. Wouldn't you know?

Your ignorance keeps showing.

Zionism, the idea or recreating the sovereign Nation of Israel started in 1897. And Jews have always returned to their homeland, at one point or another, for one reason or another. Because of oppression, pogroms, or because they wanted to return.

Herzl and others realized that Europe was never going to treat them like equal human beings, and the oppression and pogroms were going to continue. So, they decided to try to put an end to not having a sovereign homeland for the sake of having a place where Jews from everywhere could come to in order to feel safe.

It did not start AFTER WWII. WWII was a culmination of European and Muslim efforts to get rid of Jews in Europe and in Asia Minor.
The Nazis and the Jihadist got together, Husseini was a good friend of Hitler, and convinced Hitler to not let the Jews come to Palestine as per the Mandate for Palestine to rebuild the Jewish Homeland.

It is ALWAYS best to be sovereign on one's own homeland, live in it free, protect it, defend it and its populations, rather than be at the mercy of any and all anti Jew European Christians and Muslims in Asia Minor, who at any time they chose, could have their followers attack the Jews, rape, rob, and/or kill them.

THIS is the Jewish experience for the past 1700 years at the hands of Christians and Muslims.

Sovereignty over one's own homeland, just as the Kurds about it, is much better.

Just ask ANY sovereign country in the world if it is not better to be the owner of one's own destiny and borders.

Sorry to have to inform you that nobody believes you.

You're one of the dumbest k*nts on this forum, and that's saying something.

You will not hear from me again.

Good riddance you anti-Semitic, bigot k*nt.