Is Anti-Zionism the Same as Anti-Semitism?

[CrusaderFrank]

Nobody was displaced, because no one was there. It was worthless desert. Let's review the historical facts with our eyes:


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Where are they? Where the hell is the community?

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There's that oh so important dome, that was left to rot until the land was deeded over to the Jews.


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Where the hell are all those Palestinians you guys think were displaced?

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^ Do you see people?

Read the disappointment of Samuel Clemens on his trip to the Holy Land. He wrote a book about the desolation. He tells us what the area looked like in no uncertain terms. He saw ONE nomad passing through. He goes into great detail about it in one of his books.
So, get over the propaganda bullshit we are being handed. No one was forced to relocate, because no one was there.

When Israel was given back to the Jews, and started to flourish, the Jews welcomed people from neighboring countries to work and live in peace. And some did. Mostly from Egypt.
Egypt decided to invade Israel, so it told those non Jews to get out and burn their houses as they left. And so they did. Israel even asked them to stay and continue working together in peace. The ones that left went to the Egyptian border, and to their surprise weren't allowed in. So they squatted there on Israeli land. Israel withdrew their invitation for them to remain in Israel. The group didn't qualify for refugee assistance since they hadn't been there for 2 years, but were given aid because without it, they were going to starve to death. The King of Jordan condemned Egypt saying Egypt left them there to be a constant thorn in Israel's side.
Did that strategy work?

Look at the size of Egypt, and the size of Israel, and tell me which is in a better position to give the Muslims a bit of land of their own...

Wow

Are all Christian Zionists this misinformed?

 

[Captain Creeper]

All of you m-fers are f*ing nuts. Conspiratorial bs, biased narratives, misinterpretations, and simple anti-Semitism. I had the good fortune to have a Jew as a friend growing up. His family was very nice, moral, and fiercely protective of the idea of Israel. I am thankful to have been exposed to them, their culture, and their religion. I would come to meet and know other Jews in my life. They are fine people. As a group, they have been long persecuted. They essentially got the shit end of the stick with Israel. First off, the land is desert. Not much can grow there. Second, there is around 10-15 million Israeli Jews compared to the 100 millions Arabs immediately surrounding Israel. Gaza, the WB, and Golan Heights have always been contested to some degree. But there is no way in hell that Israel does not seek to expand its borders in order to buffer against the Arabs, many of which want them dead. It is the smart thing to do. I would give no haven ... no second of peace to those who seek to destroy Israel and the Jewish people. Among the Arabs, your enemy does not clearly define himself. Among Arabs, there is a general disdain for anything Jewish. Over the many years after the state of Israel was established, the prior two assertions have been proven time and time again. Israel is, and should, practice Zionism. They should Zion the so-called "pAleStinEan pEopL" right up their asses until they submit!!!

Israel is a civilized nation-state. It is the only such nation in the Middle East.

 

[theHawk]

It’s hilarious to see people debate over who has the “rights” to the land.

Reality is, those who are powerful enough to take and hold it, own it. All land was “stolen” or taken over by some other group at some point.

If the “Palestinians” want the land back, then take it by force. Of course they tried, with the help of other Arab nations, and they got their asses kicked. Until then it belongs to the Jews. That’s reality, and has always been the reality of nations since the beginning.

Although it’s also hilarious to listen to Jews claim they don’t use apartheid to keep the Arabs from taking over their government. It’s smart to keep the Muslims at bay. Nothing wrong with being exclusionary in giving out citizenship rights. It’s something the West should do, banning/limiting Muslims and non-Christian from holding political power.

 

[BackAgain]

Calling people names isn't much of an argument, you'd make a piss poor attorney in a courtroom.

Now calm down and find all those posts of mine that espouse "antisemitism" and report them, that'll take you about five minutes because there aren't any. Be sure to read and understand the definition though that this forum uses - here it is.

Then we can resume and hopefully in a calm rational manner, we can start with the Einstein letter where he affirms his opposition to a state of Israel existing, here it is and please don't pretend you never saw it this time.

By the way Albert Einstein was Jewish, I studied his theoretical work many years ago, so don't call him an antisemite too, that would make you look even sillier than you already look.

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So run along and report those posts, that's what a true principled person would do (unless you are just pretending to care about any of this and just get your rocks off by screaming at people hysterically).

If you don't find any posts then we must agree the accusations you levelled at me are baseless and defamatory and an apology would be in order.

Applying proper labels is perfectly appropriate for a scumbag like you.

I was a darn good attorney when I practices law.

This is one of the many reasons m able to shred your sophistry. Of course, with a dope like you, that’s pretty easy.

 

[Churchill]

Applying proper labels is perfectly appropriate for a scumbag like you.

I was a darn good attorney when I practices law.

Keep practicing, you'll eventually get there.

This is one of the many reasons m able to shred your sophistry. Of course, with a dope like you, that’s pretty easy.

Did you report any of my "antisemitic" posts?

Of course you didn't.

 

[BackAgain]

Keep practicing, you'll eventually get there.

No practice necessary. Obviously.

Did you report any of my "antisemitic" posts?

Of course you didn't.

No, you idiot. What good would that do? It’s not like it’s a secret what a scumbag you are.

Anyway, at the risk of getting back on topic, let’s summarize. One can be anti Zionist without necessarily being an anti Semite. (Of course, they often do go hand in hand.). But, it is not the case that one can be an anti Semite without also opposing the existence of the Nation of Israel.

You are both an anti Semite and an anti Zionist. As such, you approve of the termination of Israel AS a nation.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So your claim is no one lived there?

The amount of people living there when the British owners deeded it to the Jews was the equivalent of the amount of people in the city of Nashville. And they weren't marched out at gunpoint. Much of the land was owned by Arabs living in other countries. They sold their property to the Jews at a very high price. Some decided to stay and were welcome to do so.

Israel has been invaded over 40 times. The British Empire took it away from the Ottoman Empire. And when they did, it was already a wasteland. There were no Muslims circling the Dome. There was no thriving metropolis. It was an inhospitable desert that the Muslims had abandoned long before the British ended up with it. Look at the pictures of the land. Where are all the people? It was as desolate as Samuel Clemens said it was.

 

[luiza]

The nation of Israel should be treated in the way that we used to treat disruptive school children .
Dunces Cap to begin with .
Moving to an Exclusion order .
Invoking Mental Health guidelines as they affect Sectioning should then follow .

Always put the good of the vast majority first .

 

[rosends]

The nation of Israel should be treated in the way that we used to treat disruptive school children .
Dunces Cap to begin with .
Moving to an Exclusion order .
Invoking Mental Health guidelines as they affect Sectioning should then follow .

Always put the good of the vast majority first .

if that is your image of effective schooling then at least now I can understand how you ended up with your world view.

 

[luiza]

if that is your image of effective schooling then at least now I can understand how you ended up with your world view.

You Fatties just cannot read British humour .
Everything in your world is literal .

 

[Hafar1014]

The nation of Israel should be treated in the way that we used to treat disruptive school children .
Dunces Cap to begin with .
Moving to an Exclusion order .
Invoking Mental Health guidelines as they affect Sectioning should then follow .

Always put the good of the vast majority first .

Tryit and youll get your fat ass kicked like Hamas and Iran

 

[rosends]

You Fatties just cannot read British humour .
Everything in your world is literal .

"Fatties"? Is that more British humor?

 

[Hafar1014]

"Fatties"? Is that more British humor?

I love British humor especially the late Jethro.

 

[luiza]

"Fatties"? Is that more British humor?

More of an American literal type of observation .

But watching the super fat can be very amusing . So many physically fat Americans plus those with fat heads ,.

Waddle , waddle , oink , oink,.

 

[rosends]

More of an American literal type of observation .

But watching the super fat can be very amusing . So many physically fat Americans plus those with fat heads ,.

Waddle , waddle , oink , oink,.

so to point out British non-literal "humor" you make an American literal observation.

And how exactly did you literally observe me to call me "fatty"? How much do i weigh? How tall am I?

 

[Hafar1014]

so to point out British non-literal "humor" you make an American literal observation.

And how exactly did you literally observe me to call me "fatty"? How much do i weigh? How tall am I?

Luiza is a Muslim fake profile

 

[TNHarley]

The amount of people living there when the British owners deeded it to the Jews was the equivalent of the amount of people in the city of Nashville. And they weren't marched out at gunpoint. Much of the land was owned by Arabs living in other countries. They sold their property to the Jews at a very high price. Some decided to stay and were welcome to do so.

Israel has been invaded over 40 times. The British Empire took it away from the Ottoman Empire. And when they did, it was already a wasteland. There were no Muslims circling the Dome. There was no thriving metropolis. It was an inhospitable desert that the Muslims had abandoned long before the British ended up with it. Look at the pictures of the land. Where are all the people? It was as desolate as Samuel Clemens said it was.

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So everything that was recorded about what happened, is a world wide conspiracy against Israel?

 

[Churchill]

No practice necessary. Obviously.

No, you idiot. What good would that do? It’s not like it’s a secret what a scumbag you are.

Anyway, at the risk of getting back on topic, let’s summarize. One can be anti Zionist without necessarily being an anti Semite. (Of course, they often do go hand in hand.). But, it is not the case that one can be an anti Semite without also opposing the existence of the Nation of Israel.

You are both an anti Semite and an anti Zionist. As such, you approve of the termination of Israel AS a nation.

I'm opposed to the modern Zionist ideology, my posts are clear evidence of my stance on that subject.

As for your defamatory accusation of "antisemitism" that's not based on evidence, if I had posted anything that constitutes antisemitism you'd have reported the post (as you should) but you can't find any such posts can you...

 

[rosends]

I'm opposed to the modern Zionist ideology, my posts are clear evidence of my stance on that subject.

As for your defamatory accusation of "antisemitism" that's not based on evidence, if I had posted anything that constitutes antisemitism you'd have reported the post (as you should) but you can't find any such posts can you...

But you don't know modern Zionist ideology and you don't want an actual Zionist to explain it to you. So there's that.

 

[BackAgain]

I'm opposed to the modern Zionist ideology, my posts are clear evidence of my stance on that subject.

No. Your posts instead reveal your inability and unwillingness to discuss facts or to use logic. Adding “modern” as a modifier doesn’t change anything since it’s just verbal clutter.

As for your defamatory accusation of "antisemitism" that's not based on evidence,

Yes. It is.

if I had posted anything that constitutes antisemitism you'd have reported the post (as you should) but you can't find any such posts can you...

You already tried that canard. What possible purpose would be served by “reporting” your anti Semitism? It’s not like any action would ever be taken.