What is Zionism?

Not true. Its just not true. Israel has repeatedly tried to facilitate Palestinian sovereignty. They keep turning it down.

Can you Zionists ever not lie? The Palestinians have never been offered anything close to real sovereignty. Zionist have only offered them a slight increase self-rule in exchange for surrendering most of their valid legal claims against Israel -- this latter point is the deal-breaker. And, that "slight increase" could be undone at any moment by Israel's whim.

Even if they "turned it down", sovereignty can be imposed unilaterally. You don't need their permission to call them a state and to leave it up to them to govern themselves. Sovereignty is about being left alone, not about asking permission to leave them alone.

Well, if you want equality, why nuke just Israel? Why don't we nuke the whole ME and start again?

Before Israel, the middle-east wasn't a problem. After Israel, it'll no longer be a problem.
 
You are delusional.
Jews allowed the Hashemite Arabs to keep 77% of their ancient land.
To this day Israel has not demanded the land back, nor will it ever.

The Arabs were offered partition in 1937 and 1947. They chose war and to kill all the Jews. They lost. They have chosen war ever since, to lose each and every time and never sign a Peace treaty or follow the Oslo Accords which would have lead to a Peace Treaty between the two.

Why should they agree to the theft of their land?

It took them 200 years to get rid of the Crusaders, but they got rid of the Crusaders.

The Arabs are invaders, just like the Crusaders. And it was another group of Muslim invaders who beat the Crusaders, not the Arabs.
One group of Muslims or Christians after another stole the land of the Jews.

And both religions always agreed that it was the Land of the Jews.
Well, that is until the Jews wanted to reclaim sovereignty over their land, the loony Christians and Muslims (that makes it NOT all of of the Christians and Muslims, thank goodness) and here is where they all stand.

Loony Christians and Muslims demanding the destruction of Israel, because HOW DARE those Jews want sovereignty over any part of their ancient homeland? Jews know that they were born to be subservient to Christians and Muslims. Why can't they stay that way?


Zionism is saying NO to all of those loony Christians and Muslims who have never thought twice before murdering endless numbers of Jews for the past 1700 years.

Zionism is saying NO to Christian and Muslim oppression, torture, mass expulsions, mass murders without any impunity, as Muslims and Christians have been getting away with for too long.

Arabs have the right to live next to the Jews, in peace on the ancient Jewish homeland. But do not have the right to wan to steal what the Jews have left, 20 % of it.

The Arabs/Palestinians already have 80 % of the Jewish homeland.

Most Arabs respect the Jews and want to live in peace with them.

Time for their "leaders" to start listening to them and stop with the charters and endless desire to destroy a country they will never succeed in destroying.
 
THANK YOU! A common language and history is a most excellent objective definition of a "people". How does this exclude the Jewish people? You DO know about Hebrew, right? And you DO know about the history of Israel?

Except the Invaders didn't speak Hebrew, they spoke Yiddish and a bunch of other languages. The Zionist entity had to reintroduce Hebrew as a conversational language. .

Would you stop and listen to yourself? The Jewish people have NOT lost the Hebrew. The Hebrew language was never lost. It was spoken and read continuously throughout the diaspora. It is read now throughout the diaspora. It was read and understood and spoken by me, and by millions of Jews worldwide to celebrate the new year. AND it is a living language in Israel today.

And further, are you saying that if European invaders and colonizers of Canada just put First Nations peoples in English-speaking, religious schools and REMOVED their language and culture from them that the First Nations peoples would lose all of their human rights?!

You are disgusting.

Am Yisrael chai. (That's Hebrew, btw. Well, technically its a transliteration of the Hebrew but...).
 
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Not true. Its just not true. Israel has repeatedly tried to facilitate Palestinian sovereignty. They keep turning it down.

Can you Zionists ever not lie? The Palestinians have never been offered anything close to real sovereignty. Zionist have only offered them a slight increase self-rule in exchange for surrendering most of their valid legal claims against Israel -- this latter point is the deal-breaker. And, that "slight increase" could be undone at any moment by Israel's whim.

Even if they "turned it down", sovereignty can be imposed unilaterally. You don't need their permission to call them a state and to leave it up to them to govern themselves. Sovereignty is about being left alone, not about asking permission to leave them alone.

Well, if you want equality, why nuke just Israel? Why don't we nuke the whole ME and start again?

Before Israel, the middle-east wasn't a problem. After Israel, it'll no longer be a problem.

Speak for yourself. You do not know what you are talking about.
They were offered partition twice, 1937 and 1947. They would have had full sovereignty over the land they were on.

They have no "valid legal claims" against Israel. Again, you are delusional.

Only because the Arabs decided to demand impossible things, it does not mean that they have the right to get them. That is where negotiations come, after 1967.

Before Israel there was an Empire which went around sucking every piece of land it could into its Empire. It was called the Ottoman Empire.
It was not a problem in the 19th Century because that Empire was in decline.
It made the mistake of joining the German losers and they ended up losing everything.

If it had not been a Jewish State, but a Christian one, the Muslims would have declared war on it the same way.

The Muslims need to have ALL OF THE LAND they once conquered, or they are not happy. I mean, the loony ones like the Al-Husseini clan.

After Israel, fool, they will come after all the Christian countries, as they are doing right now, fool.
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Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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The Palestinians have never been offered anything close to real sovereignty.

Demonstrably untrue. It has been offered again and again and again. 1947. 1993 (Oslo). 2000 (Camp David). 2008 (Olmert Plan).
 
..surrendering most of their valid legal claims against Israel -- this latter point is the deal-breaker.

Please elaborate what you mean by "valid legal claims against Israel". Do you mean that any sovereignty for Israel or the Jewish people on any of the territory is a deal-breaker?

Yeah, the destruction of Israel and the denial of Jewish sovereignty is a deal-breaker on this side.

Since the deal-breakers are mutually exclusive, there is no possible solution to the conflict.
 
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The Palestinians have never been offered anything close to real sovereignty.

Demonstrably untrue. It has been offered again and again and again. 1947. 1993 (Oslo). 2000 (Camp David). 2008 (Olmert Plan).

Demonstrably, you're a lying Jew. E.g. Camp David 2000 offered the Palestinians 73% of the West Bank. If they accepted that, they'd be giving up valid legal claim to 27% of the West Bank. And, Israel would still be free to violate international law and Palestinian sovereignty, and the Palestinians would be right back to where they are now, minus valid legal claim to 27% of their land. That's just one of many things the Palestinians were asked to give away with no real grantee of any benefit.
 
The Palestinians have never been offered anything close to real sovereignty.

Demonstrably untrue. It has been offered again and again and again. 1947. 1993 (Oslo). 2000 (Camp David). 2008 (Olmert Plan).

Demonstrably, you're a lying Jew. E.g. Camp David 2000 offered the Palestinians 73% of the West Bank. If they accepted that, they'd be giving up valid legal claim to 27% of the West Bank. And, Israel would still be free to violate international law and Palestinian sovereignty, and the Palestinians would be right back to where they are now, minus valid legal claim to 27% of their land. That's just one of many things the Palestinians were asked to give away with no real grantee of any benefit.

You change the numbers from 96 % to 73 % and who is the liar?

In negotiations, one should be able to be ready to give up some things, for others. That is why it is called NEGOTIATIONS.

What were the Arabs ready to give up for peace?

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"Deal failed because Arafat also wanted control of area leading to tunnels, where 'you could do mayhem to the ruins of the temples'"

"However, Clinton said, no agreement was reached under his aegis because although Israel, under Barak, agreed to give up 96 percent of the West Bank, the Palestinians, under Arafat, “never said yes.”

Bill Clinton: Israel offered Temple Mount to Palestinians in 2000

Basically, there was no deal because Arafat was afraid he would be assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood, just as the President of Egypt was after the treaty that country signed with Israel.
 
The Palestinians have never been offered anything close to real sovereignty.

Demonstrably untrue. It has been offered again and again and again. 1947. 1993 (Oslo). 2000 (Camp David). 2008 (Olmert Plan).

Demonstrably, you're a lying Jew. E.g. Camp David 2000 offered the Palestinians 73% of the West Bank. If they accepted that, they'd be giving up valid legal claim to 27% of the West Bank. And, Israel would still be free to violate international law and Palestinian sovereignty, and the Palestinians would be right back to where they are now, minus valid legal claim to 27% of their land. That's just one of many things the Palestinians were asked to give away with no real grantee of any benefit.

And by the way, Judea and Samaria, which the Hashemite Arabs, now Jordan, began to call "West Bank" in 1950, was NEVER Palestinian land, they never had any sovereignty over any of that land, or TransJordan, or Gaza, or anywhere.

You have dreamed up this "legal" claim the Arabs, as Palestinians, would have over any of the land the Hashemite Kingdom took from the Jews in 1948.

I know. You read the sources you read, without having any real idea of what is going on, or what went on.

That, does not give the "Palestinians" any rights, much less legal, over a land stolen from the Jews by one Arab clan, the Hashemites.
 
The reader will note that the anti-Semites only have rhetoric and lies to support their insane hatred of Israel. The only one posting any factual information are those that support Israel.
Yuck,what a lying,Anti-Semetic,Zionist you are...All Palestinians are Semetic...Very Few Jews today are
 
The Mufti and the Führer


In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.

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The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti's requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches....The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely....the Jews....” Hitler replied:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.2

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

A new document attesting to the connection between Nazi Germany and the Mufti was released in March 2017. In the letter published by the National Library of Israel Archives, SS Chief Heinrich Himmler heaps praise upon Mufti al-Husseini, stating that the Nazi leadership has been closely following the battle of freedom-seeking Arabs - and especially in Palestine - against the Jewish invaders. Himmler ends the letter by bidding the Mufti warm wishes for the continuation of your battle until the big victory. This letter was delivered in the Fall of 1943, two years after the Mufti's famous meeting with Adolf Hitler.
Interesting Post...Now EXPLAIN TO US HOW AND WHY THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS AND HELPING IN THE EXTERMINATION OF JEWS IN EUROPE....
 
The Palestinians have never been offered anything close to real sovereignty.

Demonstrably untrue. It has been offered again and again and again. 1947. 1993 (Oslo). 2000 (Camp David). 2008 (Olmert Plan).

Demonstrably, you're a lying Jew. E.g. Camp David 2000 offered the Palestinians 73% of the West Bank. If they accepted that, they'd be giving up valid legal claim to 27% of the West Bank. And, Israel would still be free to violate international law and Palestinian sovereignty, and the Palestinians would be right back to where they are now, minus valid legal claim to 27% of their land. That's just one of many things the Palestinians were asked to give away with no real grantee of any benefit.

You change the numbers from 96 % to 73 % and who is the liar?

In negotiations, one should be able to be ready to give up some things, for others. That is why it is called NEGOTIATIONS.

What were the Arabs ready to give up for peace?

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"Deal failed because Arafat also wanted control of area leading to tunnels, where 'you could do mayhem to the ruins of the temples'"

"However, Clinton said, no agreement was reached under his aegis because although Israel, under Barak, agreed to give up 96 percent of the West Bank, the Palestinians, under Arafat, “never said yes.”

Bill Clinton: Israel offered Temple Mount to Palestinians in 2000

Basically, there was no deal because Arafat was afraid he would be assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood, just as the President of Egypt was after the treaty that country signed with Israel.

First, it's bullsh1t that the Palestinians were offered 96%. But, even if that number is correct, the principle remains, Palestinians were asked to give up valid legal claim in exchange for no guarantee on anything. And, the figure I cited is far too generous to Israel, because the Palestinians while agreeing to the land would still be denied the airspace, for either planes or broadcast. . You'd have the Palestinians agree to surrender 100% of their airspace to Israel, for nothing in return, and then you complain about the Palestinians not accepting the deal.

Palestine was to be fragmented with Israel controlling the land between the fragments, etc. To claim that the Palestinians were offered sovereignty is flat out lie. They were offered nothing but giving up valid legal claims to sovereignty.
 
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The Mufti and the Führer


In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.

muftihitler.jpg

The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti's requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches....The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely....the Jews....” Hitler replied:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.2

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

A new document attesting to the connection between Nazi Germany and the Mufti was released in March 2017. In the letter published by the National Library of Israel Archives, SS Chief Heinrich Himmler heaps praise upon Mufti al-Husseini, stating that the Nazi leadership has been closely following the battle of freedom-seeking Arabs - and especially in Palestine - against the Jewish invaders. Himmler ends the letter by bidding the Mufti warm wishes for the continuation of your battle until the big victory. This letter was delivered in the Fall of 1943, two years after the Mufti's famous meeting with Adolf Hitler.
Interesting Post...Now EXPLAIN TO US HOW AND WHY THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS AND HELPING IN THE EXTERMINATION OF JEWS IN EUROPE....

Dude, you're a sandwich short of a picnic.
 
Demonstrably, you're a lying Jew. E.g. Camp David 2000 offered the Palestinians 73% of the West Bank. If they accepted that, they'd be giving up valid legal claim to 27% of the West Bank. And, Israel would still be free to violate international law and Palestinian sovereignty, and the Palestinians would be right back to where they are now, minus valid legal claim to 27% of their land. That's just one of many things the Palestinians were asked to give away with no real grantee of any benefit.

This may come as a shock to you, but in a peace agreement the Arab Palestinians are going to have to give up claim to some land. You are apparently agreeing with me that Arab Palestinians have, indeed, been offered sovereignty. They just don't think the cake is sweet enough. Well, how sweet does the cake need to be? Olmert offered 93% of Judea and Samaria and offered land swaps to make up for the loss. So why wasn't THAT cake sweet enough?

You are just using the excuse that Israel "might" do something "bad" so therefore there will be no peace. What kinds of violations to international law and Palestinian sovereignty do you think Israel might do after a peace treaty is signed? Has Israel every violated its peace treaty with either Jordan or Egypt? What evidence do you have that Israel will, without cause, violate a peace treaty?
 
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