virginity

[Mortimer]

Thank you, but I dont think I want a one dimensional relationship, and im not a guy who is always pushing his will in a relationship. Actually im a kinda guy who emphasis on the wishes of the woman. for me it is just Basic that i dont want a slut. well nowadays most women had experiences with at least 10 guys before they end married, and if it was only 10 they are kinda conservative. so it will be very difficult even if i end up with a woman who has experiences i wouldnt want her to tell me about her past Lovers, and i will always be hurt about it, because im a very jealous kind of guy.

Jealousy will kill any relationship. Jealousy is not about love, but, fear and insecurity. There is nothing better than to have the person you love grow into and enjoy the relationship naturally, at their own rate and come to you freely . What you suggest has nothing to do with love, but, emotional hostage taking; that will never last the test of time and will be filled with anger, resentment and deception on both parties even for the most innocent interactions with those outside the relationship.

What you propose is a living hell.

im jealous, but not someone who doesnt trust his woman. i dont go Monitoring her 24/7, im not that Kind of jealous

 

[Mortimer]

You have a poor self image and a bizarre view of what you expect from a relationship. Just a hint....sex is a very small part of it

Being judgemental about relationships that occured before you met a woman is not a good way to start. Holding women to a standard that you, yourself do not meet is also not a good way to start.

Another hint.......don't treat sex like it is dirty

1.i agree that sex is only a small part of human relationships, yet you are a hypocrite like most People who will say that to disprove me. because clearly sex is very important part of our Society, and prove is what i went through when i have been bullied for being a virgin when i have been a Teenager at the Age of 16. if sex is truly unimportant then you wouldnt mind my opinion, because everyone would have a choice either pro or contra sex before marriage. but sex is clearly polarised in our Society (there is someone like me and then the majority of People who reject my views, there is no inbetween). and if sex is not that important does it means we should not care with whom we sleep, how often, where etc.? or it means sex is not important as in a woman shouldnt leave a guy if he is not a sex bomb, or a guy a woman if she is bad at giving head or doesnt want to do all the kinky stuff he wants. for me it is clearly the latter, but for the majority it is clearly the first.

2.i dont judge them by their past more like by their attitudes and characters and many sexual Encounters speak for no values and poor character, they dont know what romance is

3.i hold guys generally by other Standards then females

Sex is part of a normal human relationship. What goes on between the sheets is between that couple. To some people, sex is just fun and not a sealing of a human bond forever. It is up to the individual how they execute their sexuality

You are obviously uptight about sex and are not going to change. You will have to find a woman of similar views who is willing to conform to your strict views on sex

You are obviously from a culture outside of the traditional American culture. I suggest you seek out women from your culture or one with similar beliefs on the role of women

I will probably never come to see a american in real life, so im not seeking out a american wife. But where I live and grew up it is not different. And there is no real free choice in sex, at least not in america and western europe or wherever sexual liberty reigns. Even other countries and cultures, societies who have different views are bullied by western powers to Change. For example Russia put a ban on gay Propaganda and now they are under attack, just like i have been under attack for Holding on to virginity, or by a few here for wanting a virgin woman.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Nothing says "gangster" more that a one dollar bill!

 

[rightwinger]

1.i agree that sex is only a small part of human relationships, yet you are a hypocrite like most People who will say that to disprove me. because clearly sex is very important part of our Society, and prove is what i went through when i have been bullied for being a virgin when i have been a Teenager at the Age of 16. if sex is truly unimportant then you wouldnt mind my opinion, because everyone would have a choice either pro or contra sex before marriage. but sex is clearly polarised in our Society (there is someone like me and then the majority of People who reject my views, there is no inbetween). and if sex is not that important does it means we should not care with whom we sleep, how often, where etc.? or it means sex is not important as in a woman shouldnt leave a guy if he is not a sex bomb, or a guy a woman if she is bad at giving head or doesnt want to do all the kinky stuff he wants. for me it is clearly the latter, but for the majority it is clearly the first.

2.i dont judge them by their past more like by their attitudes and characters and many sexual Encounters speak for no values and poor character, they dont know what romance is

3.i hold guys generally by other Standards then females

Sex is part of a normal human relationship. What goes on between the sheets is between that couple. To some people, sex is just fun and not a sealing of a human bond forever. It is up to the individual how they execute their sexuality

You are obviously uptight about sex and are not going to change. You will have to find a woman of similar views who is willing to conform to your strict views on sex

You are obviously from a culture outside of the traditional American culture. I suggest you seek out women from your culture or one with similar beliefs on the role of women

I will probably never come to see a american in real life, so im not seeking out a american wife. But where I live and grew up it is not different. And there is no real free choice in sex, at least not in america and western europe or wherever sexual liberty reigns. Even other countries and cultures, societies who have different views are bullied by western powers to Change. For example Russia put a ban on gay Propaganda and now they are under attack, just like i have been under attack for Holding on to virginity, or by a few here for wanting a virgin woman.

Why do you care?

Be your own person. Who cares about what other people think? You are not from the Western culture so why do you care what westerners think? If you express your views, you will be criticised by people with a western view

Do what you think is right. Find a girl who meets your values. Just don't expect an American girl to take your bullshit

 

[Mortimer]

Sex is part of a normal human relationship. What goes on between the sheets is between that couple. To some people, sex is just fun and not a sealing of a human bond forever. It is up to the individual how they execute their sexuality

You are obviously uptight about sex and are not going to change. You will have to find a woman of similar views who is willing to conform to your strict views on sex

You are obviously from a culture outside of the traditional American culture. I suggest you seek out women from your culture or one with similar beliefs on the role of women

I will probably never come to see a american in real life, so im not seeking out a american wife. But where I live and grew up it is not different. And there is no real free choice in sex, at least not in america and western europe or wherever sexual liberty reigns. Even other countries and cultures, societies who have different views are bullied by western powers to Change. For example Russia put a ban on gay Propaganda and now they are under attack, just like i have been under attack for Holding on to virginity, or by a few here for wanting a virgin woman.

Why do you care?

Be your own person. Who cares about what other people think? You are not from the Western culture so why do you care what westerners think? If you express your views, you will be criticised by people with a western view

Do what you think is right. Find a girl who meets your values. Just don't expect an American girl to take your bullshit

I have not been only criticed but heavily insulted "fat, ugly, gay and many more". Yes i expressed my views and asked if someone shares similar views. And If I cant have a american wife, americans shouldnt be able to have wifes from other cultures but many americans seek out mates from other cultures and do have some.

 

[Unkotare]

im romantic so i dont believe in putting it in deep her throat or into her anus. i like more cuddling, looking deep into eyes, Feeling her heart beat and touching her Hands. and making babies.

Girls like oral sex, and so do guys. She isn't going to want to have sex every time, you know.

i dont like oral sex. i dont understand why a Girl would like to suck on a cock?

You are either a kid who has never had sex or so much as talked to a woman for any length of time, or you are the most hopeless loser on the planet.


Or both.

 

[syrenn]

i dont see her virginity as a value to be dealt for something else like money or wealth. that would be quiete unromantic. im a romantic Soul and for me it is part of romance that she is a virgin. i offer her my love.

Sooooooooo, once you've popped it, and she's no longer a virgin, then what?

Let me tell ya' somethin' dude, i've had a couple o' virgins in my day, and it sucked. They were completely clueless....So, if you're thinking it's going to be some mind blowing experience, I've got some oceanfront property in Lancaster i'll sell ya' dirt cheep.

for me sex is not that important. by now i live 30 years without it and im fine. for me other values Count then mind blowing sex experiences. i dont want a virgin because i think it will be better sex but because of a romantic value it has for me.

and at the rate you are going.... trust me, you will live another 30 without it too.

 

[syrenn]

I'm sure she must be younger, barefoot and pregnant (by him of course, and on the first time!)

I couldn't describe his one and only sexual partner.



The site has rules.... Just sayin'

But, but, ..........enquiring minds want to know!!

there is a sticky devoted to it in announcements and feedback.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/announcements-and-feedback/255689-beastiality.html

 

[syrenn]

im dissappointed, because im bullied for my inherent characteristics and appearance (you are not White, you are fat etc.) as if only toned and White males have the right to choose a life partner

You have the right to choose your life partner, but don't expect to find a woman who has never been kissed. Why the **** would you want that for?

Because i want her to submit her whole self only to me.

from the man who just said he is not into BDSM....

oh the irony!

 

[syrenn]

I will probably never come to see a american in real life, so im not seeking out a american wife. But where I live and grew up it is not different. And there is no real free choice in sex, at least not in america and western europe or wherever sexual liberty reigns. Even other countries and cultures, societies who have different views are bullied by western powers to Change. For example Russia put a ban on gay Propaganda and now they are under attack, just like i have been under attack for Holding on to virginity, or by a few here for wanting a virgin woman.

Why do you care?

Be your own person. Who cares about what other people think? You are not from the Western culture so why do you care what westerners think? If you express your views, you will be criticised by people with a western view

Do what you think is right. Find a girl who meets your values. Just don't expect an American girl to take your bullshit

I have not been only criticed but heavily insulted "fat, ugly, gay and many more". Yes i expressed my views and asked if someone shares similar views. And If I cant have a american wife, americans shouldnt be able to have wifes from other cultures but many americans seek out mates from other cultures and do have some.

ever think women from "other cultures" don't want men like you becasue of your culture and ideas on sex and woman?

 

[Unkotare]

Why do you care?

Be your own person. Who cares about what other people think? You are not from the Western culture so why do you care what westerners think? If you express your views, you will be criticised by people with a western view

Do what you think is right. Find a girl who meets your values. Just don't expect an American girl to take your bullshit

I have not been only criticed but heavily insulted "fat, ugly, gay and many more". Yes i expressed my views and asked if someone shares similar views. And If I cant have a american wife, americans shouldnt be able to have wifes from other cultures but many americans seek out mates from other cultures and do have some.

ever think women from "other cultures" don't want men like you becasue of your culture and ideas on sex and woman?

No woman from any culture wants him because he's a ******* loser.

 

[syrenn]

I have not been only criticed but heavily insulted "fat, ugly, gay and many more". Yes i expressed my views and asked if someone shares similar views. And If I cant have a american wife, americans shouldnt be able to have wifes from other cultures but many americans seek out mates from other cultures and do have some.

ever think women from "other cultures" don't want men like you becasue of your culture and ideas on sex and woman?

No woman from any culture wants him because he's a ******* loser.

i agree.

loser with a capital L

 

[SmarterThanHick]

IM, I'm going to assume for a moment, against my better judgement, that you are in fact not trolling.

You have to understand that the reason behind people's hostility here is because you are setting up a double standard, stating that a female virgin is romantic and desirable, but your own virginity (or lack thereof) "doesn't count" for some reason. If you want a woman who values virginity and similarly sees it as something romantic, why do you believe she wouldn't want the same qualities in her mate? Because "men and women are different" is HAND WAIVING. Either viriginity is something to be valued, or it's not. If you think some woman is saving herself, then I guarantee you it's something she values. Meaning you're not.

 

[Mortimer]

IM, I'm going to assume for a moment, against my better judgement, that you are in fact not trolling.

You have to understand that the reason behind people's hostility here is because you are setting up a double standard, stating that a female virgin is romantic and desirable, but your own virginity (or lack thereof) "doesn't count" for some reason. If you want a woman who values virginity and similarly sees it as something romantic, why do you believe she wouldn't want the same qualities in her mate? Because "men and women are different" is HAND WAIVING. Either viriginity is something to be valued, or it's not. If you think some woman is saving herself, then I guarantee you it's something she values. Meaning you're not.

If you dont understand why guys are not the same as females when it Comes to sex then i cant help you. If you dont see a difference between the genders. And Im certainly not a defiler and Player, because I had only once Sex. I dont go out to Prey on Women to bring them into Bed. I had only ONCE Sex and Im almost 30. You think there is no difference if you had once or hundred times? Im certainly not a "asshole" when it Comes to females.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Oddly enough, this isn't about gender differences with respect to sex. This is about a value system: one which you yourself setup in this thread. Either virginity is or is not romantic. You claim it is, yet concurrently claiming it doesn't count for men. And you have yet to be able to elucidate why that double standard exist. You hand waive about men and women being different. I'm aware. But it still doesn't answer the question: why do you believe a woman who is saving her virginity, clearly demonstrating she believes it is valuable, will not see it as valuable in a man?

The point you make that it only happened once is much like your point earlier where you came close to insinuating that your one time somehow didn't count. That you were "almost" a virgin. That's like being "almost dead". You either are, or you're not. Your comment about not being unromantic is your way of downplaying the double standard to yourself. If having sex once is not unromantic, does the same hold true for a woman? Why or why not? Don't tell me "there are differences". Tell me why or why not.

 

[MHunterB]

If you think that all men are only one way, and all women are another - then you are very very wrong.

If you think that there is only one 'right' way for men or women to be - then you are very very wrong.

 

[Mortimer]

Oddly enough, this isn't about gender differences with respect to sex. This is about a value system: one which you yourself setup in this thread. Either virginity is or is not romantic. You claim it is, yet concurrently claiming it doesn't count for men. And you have yet to be able to elucidate why that double standard exist. You hand waive about men and women being different. I'm aware. But it still doesn't answer the question: why do you believe a woman who is saving her virginity, clearly demonstrating she believes it is valuable, will not see it as valuable in a man?

The point you make that it only happened once is much like your point earlier where you came close to insinuating that your one time somehow didn't count. That you were "almost" a virgin. That's like being "almost dead". You either are, or you're not. Your comment about not being unromantic is your way of downplaying the double standard to yourself. If having sex once is not unromantic, does the same hold true for a woman? Why or why not? Don't tell me "there are differences". Tell me why or why not.

Ok I will demonstrate it with a Picture. He is the Knight she is the Virgin. Thats romantic. Would it be Romantic if she were the Knight and he the Virgin?

 

[Mortimer]

If you think that all men are only one way, and all women are another - then you are very very wrong.

If you think that there is only one 'right' way for men or women to be - then you are very very wrong.

I dont even think that.

 

[syrenn]

Oddly enough, this isn't about gender differences with respect to sex. This is about a value system: one which you yourself setup in this thread. Either virginity is or is not romantic. You claim it is, yet concurrently claiming it doesn't count for men. And you have yet to be able to elucidate why that double standard exist. You hand waive about men and women being different. I'm aware. But it still doesn't answer the question: why do you believe a woman who is saving her virginity, clearly demonstrating she believes it is valuable, will not see it as valuable in a man?

The point you make that it only happened once is much like your point earlier where you came close to insinuating that your one time somehow didn't count. That you were "almost" a virgin. That's like being "almost dead". You either are, or you're not. Your comment about not being unromantic is your way of downplaying the double standard to yourself. If having sex once is not unromantic, does the same hold true for a woman? Why or why not? Don't tell me "there are differences". Tell me why or why not.

Ok I will demonstrate it with a Picture. He is the Knight she is the Virgin. Thats romantic. Would it be Romantic if she were the Knight and he the Virgin?

really? ... how do you know she is a virgin?

 

[MHunterB]

"Im certainly not a "asshole" when it Comes to females."

That's what you think, IM - but your opinion is irrelevant in this case. It's the opinion of the women you encounter which counts. Because 'it takes two' to have a relationship - which you never will until you learn to think about what SHE wants.

That isn't confined just to romance: it covers business, friendship and a lot of other interactions. There HAS to be something worthwhile in it for BOTH parties, or there's no deal.