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Unintended Consequences of Banning Abortion

Rigby5

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As other people here have already pointed out, it's a business investment to fund employees getting abortions. As far as red states go, we already get ourselves fixed when we reach the most kids that we want to have. It's the blue city welfare people who are going to reduce their pregnancies.

But all and all, there are a lot of early positive results stemming from the overturning of Roe.

Wrong.
Abortions do NOT at all alter the number of children people have.
What abortions do is allow people to delay families until they have careers, homes, etc.
So with fewer abortions, you have families that are more poor, more involved in crime, etc.
 

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Wrong.
Abortions do NOT at all alter the number of children people have.
What abortions do is allow people to delay families until they have careers, homes, etc.
So with fewer abortions, you have families that are more poor, more involved in crime, etc.
Your family should have oped for the abortion
 

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No one cares since they've past the point of never have to be aborted. Sad you never were

Obviously we have a very high suicide rate, so it would be much better to have a higher abortion rate and lower suicide rate.
If you believe in religion, then abortions do not at all effect souls, and the soul just moves on to a different body.
 

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Who was President when we got into those wars? Dem or Repub? Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, those were all wars of choice which we entered into under Dem Presidents. That's just a fact. It was a Repubican who got us out of those wars BTW. Interestingly, though a Republican got us into the GWOT one essentially got us out as well.

Right, let's play simples.....

Facts:::: Get this fact. The state with the most votes for Trump in 2020 was California.

You could go fucking wild on that fact.
 

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Obviously we have a very high suicide rate, so it would be much better to have a higher abortion rate and lower suicide rate.
If you believe in religion, then abortions do not at all effect souls, and the soul just moves on to a different body.
You made it past the point of being aborted. So shut the fuck up
 

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  • 6 states have started funds to help the poor travel to states that offer abortion services
How can the poor afford a baby when they can't even feed themselves?

  • Doctors in the banned states report large numbers of requests for birth control pills, and other types of contraception.
  • Interviews with women in banned states indicate women will begin paying more attentions to contraception and use the day after pill.
It is looking more like the the hundreds of thousands of unwanted babies birthed by women under threat of arrest will be far less than the right anticipated due to more attention to contraception, the day after pill, use of abortion pills, increased sterilization, and travel assistance to abortion clinics from a number of sources.
Great! So women CAN avoid most unwanted pregnancies when they want to after all! "Crisis" averted--- --- but contrary to your belief, this is just what we hoped for, expected and anticipated! Personal accountability! Meantime, the decisions on how to handle this are rightly back in the hands of the People! THANK YOU, Justice Thomas!
 

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Our religious extremists can't take a stand on school shootings either. They don't care about women and children.
Abortion supporters don't get to claim they're concerned about children.
 

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Wrong.
Abortions do NOT at all alter the number of children people have.
What abortions do is allow people to delay families until they have careers, homes, etc.
So with fewer abortions, you have families that are more poor, more involved in crime, etc.

There will be fewer abortions but the same or less amount of un-planned children. It's already happening with this huge interest in vasectomies. I believe it will be even stronger among women using BC pills and various other preventative measures.
 

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No, the religious right came from a theocracy that wanted soldiers.
Like the song says, "Onward Christian Soldier".
{...
Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war
With the cross of Jesus going on before
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe
Forward into battle see His banners go
Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war
With the cross of Jesus going on before
At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise
Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war
With the cross of Jesus going on before
Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King
This through countless ages men and angels sing
Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war
With the cross of Jesus going on before
With the cross of Jesus going on before
...}
It is not about person values, it is about murdering those with other beliefs.
Can you point to any society arranged that way today?

Hint: No, you can't. You can't even point to one that's even remotely headed in that direction.
 

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That is essentially impossible.
No birth control is very reliable, humans need to have lots of sex in order to be healthy, and a fertilized ovum is of no more value than an unfertilized one.
But most important of all is that no particular religion's view on fertilized ovum should have any influence over what anyone else wants to do.
Human beings are worthless.

Spoken like a true Communist.
 

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They do NOT "see" abortions as killing "another person".
They are brainwashed by a particular religion to claim that instead.
Commies have no business saying other people are brainwashed.
 

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I would be more inclined towards gun control if not for things like states trying to ban abortion. That might soon need an armed response from the general population. The support for abortion rights is about 80% and climbing.

Then you have nothing to worry about, do you? If the population is that large who are against banning abortions they won't vote for the representatives that want to do it. Instead, they will vote for pro-abortion representatives.
 

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Wrong.
If government got to decide rights, then we would still be a British colony.
No, the PEOPLE get to decide, NOT government.

When the 14th amendment was ratified, abortion was completely legal in all states.

If states arbitrarily decide to infringe upon the lives of people, who are not harming any other living human beings, that is a dictatorship.
States are only supposed to represent and defend the rights of citizens, not come up with their own rules how people should live.
When they try, then they are in violation of the 14th amendment.

And the idea a fertilized fetus is a human being is not just nonsense, but obviously religious dogma. That should be offensive to all who are religious, because all religions say it is God who gets to punish sins, not governments.

Are we talking about the same state that had slavery, discrimination, Jim Crow laws, KKK extortion and lynching, etc.? If so, then clearly we are talking about a state with severe deficits in its moral and legal values.

Whether a fetus is a human being or not is an age old argument since before Roe. Just because you believe it's not doesn't mean others feel the exact same way. Government does decide what rights we have because we elected those people to government to speak for us. If a majority of people believe a fetus is a human being, then that's how representatives write the laws.
 

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Every woman I know uses either the pill or diaphragm, and every woman I know has had to have an abortion at least once.
If you think birth control is reliable, then they simply are not telling you.

Birth control pills have a 7% failure rate. But IUDs have a failure rate of less than 1%.

 

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But no conservatives are going to support strict state abortion laws.
Its an obvious violation of religious freedom, privacy, and even medical science, which says a fetus is not a sentient human being.
If Republicans support it, they will be alienating themselves from conservative ideology.

Well the Democrats certainly didn't give us our conservative leadership in this state, and it's been conservative for quite a while now.
 

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