Unintended Consequences of Banning Abortion

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong.
We need to double that amount abortions so that we do not destroy the whole planet, which is already over twice the sustainable population.

Ever been off the Interstate anywhere the Metroplex?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Right, let's play simples.....

Facts:::: Get this fact. The state with the most votes for Trump in 2020 was California.

You could go fucking wild on that fact.

Yeah, just barely more than Texas or Florida, which he won. He lost California by over 5 million votes, only slightly less than the number he got.

 

[Rigby5]

Commies have no business saying other people are brainwashed.

Historically, all humans come from primitive tribes that were communist, going back about a million years.
Religions however, are an invention less than 8000 years old, and the fact there are thousands of them, shows then that they are fake.

 

[Rigby5]

Whether a fetus is a human being or not is an age old argument since before Roe. Just because you believe it's not doesn't mean others feel the exact same way. Government does decide what rights we have because we elected those people to government to speak for us. If a majority of people believe a fetus is a human being, then that's how representatives write the laws.

We do NOT elect people to speak for us.
We first establish things like a constitution to restrict government, a judicial branch to allow appeals to limit the legislative branch, etc.
So then those we elect are not speaking for us, but hired public servants to do what is necessary in order to protect our rights only, and not to dictate to us.

And before 1880 or so, in the US, a fetus was universally considered NOT a human being by any level of government.
Only religions had the opinion that abortion was wrong.

The majority does NOT think a fetus is a human being, but even if the majority did, the majority does NOT at all have the authority to dictate to anyone else.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

a vaccinated person was infectious for a shorter time period, about a 3rd of the time, 3 to 4 days instead fo 10 days. But the masks were more critical for source control.

Yet there are doctors by the dozens that say a mask doesn't do squat. The covid particles are smaller than the mesh holes in a typical mask. And as for the illegals, they certainly don't wear masks.

 

[Rigby5]

Birth control pills have a 7% failure rate. But IUDs have a failure rate of less than 1%.

Contraception | CDC

Birth control methods, reversible and permanent, and resources.

www.cdc.gov

That is foolish because if you have a 1% failure rate, after 100 sexual encounters, you will then have a failure. How long that is depends on the rate of sexual encounters, but on average, it is less than 5 years.

 

[Rigby5]

Well the Democrats certainly didn't give us our conservative leadership in this state, and it's been conservative for quite a while now.

If they voted to ban abortions, then they are NOT conservatives.
Conservatives believe in letting people decide their own lives whenever possible.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We do NOT elect people to speak for us.
We first establish things like a constitution to restrict government, a judicial branch to allow appeals to limit the legislative branch, etc.
So then those we elect are not speaking for us, but hired public servants to do what is necessary in order to protect our rights only, and not to dictate to us.

And before 1880 or so, in the US, a fetus was universally considered NOT a human being by any level of government.
Only religions had the opinion that abortion was wrong.

The majority does NOT think a fetus is a human being, but even if the majority did, the majority does NOT at all have the authority to dictate to anyone else.

They do have the right to consider a fetus a human being. So do our representatives. Therefore in the eyes of those people, abortion is murder because you're taking the life of another human being.

Please post a site that before 1880, government didn't consider a fetus a human being. To my knowledge, the issue was never brought up in Congress or the courts.

 

[Rigby5]

If that was the case the poor should have decreased decades ago. The problem is while working families restrict their family size to their income, the poor could care less about income because the taxpayers are funding their large families.

Wrong.
There is very little welfare in the US.
Just enough ADC to prevent malnutrition.
And it is a scientific fact that poverty always induces population growth.
It is counterproductive, but an instinct we can not ignore or deny.

 

[Rigby5]

You mean like when pro-aborts insisted people never use abortion as birth control, despite not having any proof?

That is foolish.
Abortion is much more expensive, dangerous, and painful than birth control.
No one uses abortion as their primary birth control method.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If they voted to ban abortions, then they are NOT conservatives.
Conservatives believe in letting people decide their own lives whenever possible.

What some conservatives believe is we are not talking about people living their own lives, but taking the life of an innocent.

 

[Rigby5]

Yeah, Commies don't get to dictate what conservatives and Republicans believe.

It has NOTHING to do with MY opinion at all.
It simply is a fact that conservatives do not want change or government to increase power.
But until 1880 or so, there were no laws against abortion in the US at all.
So then conservatives should be against that 1880 change.
Conservatives also support free will as much as possible, so should not be passing legislation dictating how people should act on personal family and medical issues like abortion.
That is science, not opinion.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong.
There is very little welfare in the US.
Just enough ADC to prevent malnutrition.
And it is a scientific fact that poverty always induces population growth.
It is counterproductive, but an instinct we can not ignore or deny.

Cash value of welfare spending to households in poverty greater than median household income

Republicans on Senate committee cite 'confusion regarding the scope and nature of benefits'

dailycaller.com

Study: NY Welfare Recipients Eligible For More In Benefits Than Teachers Earn

A new study finds that a New York mother of two is eligible for $38,004 in welfare benefits--a sum more than the annual salary of a New York entry-level school teacher.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Rigby5]

You leftists sure do like your Final Solutions.

The "Final Solution" refers to Hitlers dictates on Jews in Germany, and Hitler was an extreme right wing fascist. He was the opposite of a "leftist".

 

[Rigby5]

Oh, look, a Communist advocating genocide. That never happens.

Over populating the planet is genocide.
Limiting the population to what is sustainable is the opposite of genocide.

 

[Rigby5]

You're as informed about theology as you are about human development.

Wrong.
Souls are immortal.
So nothing bad happens to a soul if a body dies, according to almost all religions.

 

[Rigby5]

Ever been off the Interstate anywhere the Metroplex?

I have lived in Milwaukee, Houston, Chicago, Portland, San Diego, and Albuquerque.

It is clear humans stop being fully human in such high concentrations.
And they become so insulated from their food sources, that they think penned farm animal are humane, while hunting wild animals is barbaric.
So not only are urban centers impractical for energy and food reasons, but they turn humans in to Eloi and Morlocks.

 

[Rigby5]

They do have the right to consider a fetus a human being. So do our representatives. Therefore in the eyes of those people, abortion is murder because you're taking the life of another human being.

Please post a site that before 1880, government didn't consider a fetus a human being. To my knowledge, the issue was never brought up in Congress or the courts.

Does not matter that abortion was not brought up on the federal level.
The POINT is that there were no STATE or LOCAL laws against abortion before about 1880.

Historically the rate of infant mortality was so high that many people do not give permanent names to their children until they are around 10 years of age or so.
They did not consider children to be fully human until around 10 years of age.

 

[Rigby5]

What some conservatives believe is we are not talking about people living their own lives, but taking the life of an innocent.

Conservatives are supposed to only want laws to protect their own rights from others, not dictate what others are supposed to or not do to themselves.
And again, if conservatives were against abortion, then there would have always been that precedent in the US, and there isn't.
There were no laws against abortion until around 1880.
The Founders were not against abortion.
So people claiming to be against abortion now, are NOT conservatives.

 

[Rigby5]

Cash value of welfare spending to households in poverty greater than median household income

Republicans on Senate committee cite 'confusion regarding the scope and nature of benefits'

dailycaller.com

Study: NY Welfare Recipients Eligible For More In Benefits Than Teachers Earn

A new study finds that a New York mother of two is eligible for $38,004 in welfare benefits--a sum more than the annual salary of a New York entry-level school teacher.

www.breitbart.com

The "Daily Caller" is not a valid source.
What they wrote is obviously wrong.
{...
The cash value of welfare spending, according to the analysis, is $167.65 daily per household in poverty. The median household income in 2011 was $50,054 or $137.13 per day, according to the analysis, released Friday.
...}
That is ridiculous.
Food stamps are not free, but you have to buy them, and while the price varies with income, no one can get food stamps without paying at least half their value.
People on ADC get less than $500 a month per child. That is less than $20 per day.