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Ukraine Worked With Democrats Against Trump in 2016 to Stop Putin. The Bet Backfired Badly.​


Six years ago, before Russia’s full-scale invasion of their country, the Ukrainians bet that a Hillary Clinton presidency would offer better protection from Russian President Vladimir Putin, even though he had invaded Crimea during the Obama-Biden administration, whose Russian policies Clinton vowed to continue.

Working with both the Obama administration and the Clinton campaign, Ukrainian government officials intervened in the 2016 race to help Clinton and hurt Donald Trump in a sweeping and systematic foreign influence operation that's been largely ignored by the press. The improper, if not illegal, operation was run chiefly out of the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, where officials worked hand-in-glove with a Ukrainian-American activist and Clinton campaign operative to attack the Trump campaign. The Obama White House was also deeply involved in an effort to groom their own favored leader in Ukraine and then work with his government to dig up dirt on – and even investigate -- their political rival.

Ukrainian and Democratic operatives also huddled with American journalists to spread damaging information on Trump and his advisers – including allegations of illicit Russian-tied payments that, though later proved false, forced the resignation of his campaign manager Paul Manafort. The embassy actually weighed a plan to get Congress to investigate Manafort and Trump and stage hearings in the run-up to the election.

As it worked behind the scenes to undermine Trump, Ukraine also tried to kneecap him publicly. Ukraine's ambassador took the extraordinary step of attacking Trump in an Op-Ed article published in The Hill, an influential U.S. Capitol newspaper, while other top Ukrainian officials slammed the GOP candidate on social media.

In the meantime, a comprehensive account of documented Ukrainian collusion – including efforts to assist the FBI in its 2016 probe of Manafort – is pieced together here for the first time. It draws from an archive of previously unreported records generated from a secret Federal Election Commission investigation of the Democratic National Committee that includes never-before-reviewed sworn affidavits, depositions, contracts, emails, text messages, legal findings and other documents from the case. RealClearInvestigations also examined diplomatic call transcripts, White House visitor logs, lobbying disclosure forms, congressional reports and closed-door congressional testimony, as well as information revealed by Ukrainian and Democratic officials in social media postings, podcasts and books.

2014:​

Prelude to Collusion​

The coordination between Ukrainian and Democratic officials can be traced back at least to January 2014. It was then when top Obama diplomats – many of whom now hold top posts in the Biden administration – began engineering regime change in Kiev, eventually installing a Ukrainian leader they could control.

2015:​

The Move Against​

Manafort Commences​

In April 2015, the DNC hired Chalupa as a $5,000-a-month consultant, according to a copy of her contract, which ran through the 2016 election cycle. (Years earlier, Chalupa had worked full-time for the DNC as part of the senior leadership team advising Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.) After Trump threw his hat in the ring in June 2015, Chalupa grew concerned that Manafort was or would be involved with his campaign since Manafort had known Trump for decades and lived in Trump Tower. She expressed her concerns to top DNC officials and “the DNC asked me to do a hit on Trump,” according to a transcript of a 2019 interview on her sister’s podcast. (Andrea Chalupa, who describes herself as a journalist, boasted in a November 2016 tweet: “My sister led Trump/Russia research at DNC.”)

January 2016:​

High-Level Meetings​

With Ukrainians in the White House​

On Jan. 12, 2016 – almost a month before the first GOP primary – Chalupa told top DNC official Lindsey Reynolds she was seeing strong indications that Putin was trying to steal the 2016 election for Trump. Emails also show that she promised to lead an effort to expose Manafort – whom Trump would not officially hire as his campaign chairman until May – and link him and Trump to the Russian government. That same day, Chalupa visited the White House.

February 2016:​

Obama White House-Ukraine​

Coordination Intensifies​

On Feb. 2, two weeks after the White House meetings, Secret Service logs reveal that Ciaramella met in the White House with officials from the U.S. Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, known as FinCEN, which would later provide the FBI highly sensitive bank records on Manafort. (In addition, a senior FinCEN adviser illegally leaked thousands of the confidential Manafort records to the media.)

March 2016:​

Chalupa Engineers​

Manafort Messaging Assault​

With Ukrainians​

On March 3, Zentos and Telizhenko planned to meet again, this time at a Washington bar called The Exchange. According to their email, Zentos wrote, “I’ll see if my colleague Eric is up for joining.” The pair also met the next day at Swing’s coffee house in Washington. After the meeting, Telizhenko emailed Zentos seeking a meeting with senior Obama NSC official Charlie Kupchan, an old Clinton hand who was Ciaramella’s boss on the Russia/Ukraine desk. Kupchan is an outspoken critic of Trump who has made remarks suggesting what countries “can do to stop him” and “protect the international institutions we’ve built .” Zentos and Telizhenko also met on March 10, patronizing the Cosi coffee shop again.

April 2016:​

Chalupa Solicits Ukrainian Dirt on Trump,​

His Campaign, and Manafort​

Emails reveal that Chalupa and Shulyar, a top aide to Ambassador Chaly, agreed to meet for coffee on April 7, 2016, at Kafe Leopold, a restaurant near the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington. (Chalupa had paid a visit to the White House just three days earlier.) One of the purposes of the meeting, according to FEC case files, was to discuss Manafort and the danger he allegedly posed. They were joined at the café by Telizhenko, who said he was working on a “big story” on Manafort and Trump with the Wall Street Journal.

May-June 2016:​

Manafort Dirt Spreads​

In a May 3 email, Chalupa alerted DNC communications director Luis Miranda and DNC opposition research director Lauren Dillion that there was “a lot more [dirt on Manafort] coming down the pipe[sic].”

Chalupa told them the dirt has “a big Trump component” and would “hit in the next few weeks.” It’s not clear if she was referring to the notorious "black ledger” smear against Manafort, who was promoted to campaign chairman on May 19, but a story about it was brewing at the time.

July 2016:​

Ukrainian Officials Attack​

Trump Publicly​

Chalupa continued to pow-wow with the Ukrainian Embassy and got so cozy with officials there that they offered her a position, which she declined, as an “embedded consultant” in the country’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

That same month, high-ranking Ukrainian officials openly insulted Trump on social media in an unusual departure from normal diplomacy.

August-September 2016:​

The Phony Manafort Ledger Leaks​

In another attempt to influence the 2016 election, Ukrainian lawmaker Serhiy Leshchenko leaked to the U.S. media what he claimed was evidence of a secret handwritten ledger showing Manafort had received millions in cash from Yanukovych’s party under the table. He claimed that 22 pages of the alleged ledger, which contained line items written by hand, had mysteriously appeared in his parliament mailbox earlier that year. Leshchenko would not identify the sender.
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The Clinton campaign seized on the story. In an Aug. 14 statement, campaign manager Robby Mook stated: “We have learned of more troubling connections between Donald Trump's team and pro-Kremlin elements in Ukraine.” He demanded Trump "disclose campaign chair Paul Manafort's and all other campaign employees' and advisers' ties to Russian or pro-Kremlin entities."
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But there was a big hole in the story. Though Manafort was a consultant to Yanukovych's party, he was paid by wire, not in cash, casting serious doubt on the ledger’s authenticity. Another problem: the ledger was alleged to have been kept at party headquarters, but rioters had destroyed the building in a 2014 fire.

Epilogue​


After Trump won the election in spite of her efforts to sabotage him, Chalupa predicted: “Under President Trump, the Kremlin could likely invade U.S. allies in Europe without U.S. opposition.”

Ukraine Worked With Democrats Against Trump in 2016 to Stop Putin. The Bet Backfired Badly.
 
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No way in the world these people could conspire to steal an election in 2020.
 

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Ukraine Worked With Democrats Against Trump in 2016 to Stop Putin. The Bet Backfired Badly.​




In the meantime, a comprehensive account of documented Ukrainian collusion – including efforts to assist the FBI in its 2016 probe of Manafort – is pieced together here for the first time. It draws from an archive of previously unreported records generated from a secret Federal Election Commission investigation of the Democratic National Committee that includes never-before-reviewed sworn affidavits, depositions, contracts, emails, text messages, legal findings and other documents from the case. RealClearInvestigations also examined diplomatic call transcripts, White House visitor logs, lobbying disclosure forms, congressional reports and closed-door congressional testimony, as well as information revealed by Ukrainian and Democratic officials in social media postings, podcasts and books.




















Ukraine Worked With Democrats Against Trump in 2016 to Stop Putin. The Bet Backfired Badly.
If true, then Ukraine worked against an administration that would, and did, fight for a dictatorship that wanted to invade Ukraine. I see no problem.

Manafort ran campaign's for Putin's puppet regime in Ukraine in the 2000's. He made his career off of helping dictators gain traction in the west. Helping fascism is no doubt the main reason the dotard hired him for his Presidential campaign.
 
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Beck did a whiteboard on this,,,,,,,....damning

Notice it says this was a secret investigation and it didn't get any traction in MSM.....Wonder why.

That’s why my conclusion on this war is that all sides of it are corrupt.

That woman who started to spill the beans on Uk bioweapons in front of Rubio the other day, was all wrapped up in this, according to the investigation.
 

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If true, then Ukraine worked against an administration that would, and did, fight for a dictatorship that wanted to invade Ukraine. I see no problem.

Manafort ran campaign's for Putin's puppet regime in Ukraine in the 2000's. He made his career off of helping dictators gain traction in the west. Helping fascism is no doubt the main reason the dotard hired him for his Presidential campaign.
In what way did Trump’s administration “fight for” Putin?
 

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Uh oh!

That measns Xiden will rush American troops to Ukraine. It's in his genes to do all he can who have acted against America!
 

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Of course the Democrats would work with Ukraine against Trump! Trump had aligned himself with the enemy of the Ukraine.

Revealing certain facts, leads to certain truths on America's intent after Trump was cleared out of the way.

And now, there's no way that Trump could ever enlist enough support to end Biden's presidential war.

Americans' loyalty and support of war is going to play so badly for Trump that he will be sidelined and forgotten quickly.

And ironically, after the war there will be no repercussions against Trump for American losses.

It's not hard to see how that could play so positively for Trump that he could regain popularity. While Biden's popularity will depend largely on America's success/failure against Russia.

All of that depending on no nuclear war?
 

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Of course the Democrats would work with Ukraine against Trump! Trump had aligned himself with the enemy of the Ukraine.

Revealing certain facts, leads to certain truths on America's intent after Trump was cleared out of the way.

And now, there's no way that Trump could ever enlist enough support to end Biden's presidential war.

Americans' loyalty and support of war is going to play so badly for Trump that he will be sidelined and forgotten quickly.

And ironically, after the war there will be no repercussions against Trump for American losses.

It's not hard to see how that could play so positively for Trump that he could regain popularity. While Biden's popularity will depend largely on America's success/failure against Russia.

All of that depending on no nuclear war?
How did Trump align himself with the enemy of Ukraine?
 

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In what way did Trump’s administration “fight for” Putin?
If you are capable of dropping the denial, the answer is at RT.com and has been since at least 2016. Russia was openly rooting for Trump and against Biden. And now we all see that Russia's logic was correct.
 

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If you are capable of dropping the denial, the answer is at RT.com and has been since at least 2016. Russia was openly rooting for Trump and against Biden. And now we all see that Russia's logic was correct.
If it’s actually true Russia was rooting for Trump…what for? He did nothing to benefit them. He sanctioned Russia more and threatened Putin that if he invaded Ukraine, Trump would bomb Moscow.
 

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Ukraine gave by far the most to Hillarys "Foundation" followed by England.

It's unfortunate how this has all turned out now in 2022.
You've gone and got something right! A Democrat in the WH was by far Ukraine's best choice.

And so now you can conclude that Trump was Ukraine's enemy's best choice!

Can you counterspin that?
 
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In what way did Trump’s administration “fight for” Putin?
Do you have amnesia? You forgot how hard Trump argued against sanctions for Russia? How hard he tried to get Russia back in the G8 by moving on from Crimea? How much Trump attacked NATO? How often Trump attacked Ukraine by supporting Russian claims against them? His campaign manager was the guy Putin hired to manage the campaign's of his puppet government in Ukraine. Trump didn't care about Russia putting bounties on our soldiers. This is just off the top of my head.
 

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If it’s actually true Russia was rooting for Trump…what for? He did nothing to benefit them. He sanctioned Russia more and threatened Putin that if he invaded Ukraine, Trump would bomb Moscow.
It's true!

Establishing the 'what for' is now the topic. In a nutshell Russia favoured Trump over Biden.

But a discussion is next to impossible because of America's domestic politics getting in the way.

And so what reason could be palatable to American tastes?

Trump was antiwar?
 

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Do you have amnesia? You forgot how hard Trump argued against sanctions for Russia? How hard he tried to get Russia back in the G8 by moving on from Crimea? How much Trump attacked NATO? How often Trump attacked Ukraine by supporting Russian claims against them? His campaign manager was the guy Putin hired to manage the campaign's of his puppet government in Ukraine. Trump didn't care about Russia putting bounties on our soldiers. This is just off the top of my head.
Hitting them hard with the facts and the truth is not going to work and you should know that's because US domestic politics can't allow it.

See my much more gentle approach that incentivizes them by making it to Trump's credit of being antiwar. That's the best we have to offer. Even though I have to admit that 'antiwar' is very low on Americans' agenda once the war has started.
 

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Do you have amnesia? You forgot how hard Trump argued against sanctions for Russia? How hard he tried to get Russia back in the G8 by moving on from Crimea? How much Trump attacked NATO? How often Trump attacked Ukraine by supporting Russian claims against them? His campaign manager was the guy Putin hired to manage the campaign's of his puppet government in Ukraine. Trump didn't care about Russia putting bounties on our soldiers. This is just off the top of my head.
Quoted from nbc news in April of 2018:
To date, the Trump administration has issued Russia-related sanctions against 189 individuals and entities, including 136 sanctions related to Putin's actions in Ukraine, as well as sanctions related to Moscow's cyber campaigns, including its interference in the 2016 presidential contest.

His “attacks on nato” was Trump trying to tell the other countries they had to pay their fair share. We the taxpayers in the US were covering defense for several other countries.

I’m not real well versed on the G7 but if Russia joined and made it G8 would that mean we’d be on friendlier terms rather than both sides always waiting for the other to erupt?
 

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To date, the Trump administration has issued Russia-related sanctions against 189 individuals and entities, including 136 sanctions related to Putin's actions in Ukraine, as well as sanctions related to Moscow's cyber campaigns, including its interference in the 2016 presidential contest.
Sanctions passed with veto proof majorities. Trump cried and bitched the entire time about them before being forced to sign them. Trump spent his entire Presidency praising dictators and attacking democracies. It's amazing how you don't see it.
 

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If it’s actually true Russia was rooting for Trump…what for? He did nothing to benefit them. He sanctioned Russia more and threatened Putin that if he invaded Ukraine, Trump would bomb Moscow.
You're being silly. Bombing Moscow was a non-starter and even Trump would know that. If he in fact said that, it would have been for the consumption of stupid people who like to have good feelings dropped on them by Trump.
 

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