The Evaporation of the Obama Mystique

[NetJedi]

A pure Marxist promotes the government taking over all means of production. Neither Alinsky nor Obama ever went that far. Even Lenin, when he tried it causing a massive collapse of the Russian economy, relented and allowed more privatization.

That's a very vague definition, since it only covers a portion of what Marx advanced as the final goal and leaves out all the means and reasoning he used to arrive at that conclusion. Honestly, I don't think either one of those gentlemen were Marxists at all, sure they borrowed concepts from Marx but I don't think the evidence suggests that either would have been an ally of Marx if he were still around. I would classify both of them as power hungry, egomaniacs that would borrow concepts from anybody if they thought it would advance their cause.

I consider myself a fairly devoted Misesian, however having studied Das Kapital I cannot reject all of Marx's conclusions nor all of his criticisms, even though I find the bulk of the work to be rubbish, would that make me an "impure Marxist"?

 

[The Duke]

And RWNJ's bought Trump's propaganda...............

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You are aware Day 1 is over a month away, right, moron?
I hope I'm here on the 22nd to see your hair on fire. Because it damn sure will be.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's a very vague definition, since it only covers a portion of what Marx advanced as the final goal and leaves out all the means and reasoning he used to arrive at that conclusion. Honestly, I don't think either one of those gentlemen were Marxists at all, sure they borrowed concepts from Marx but I don't think the evidence suggests that either would have been an ally of Marx if he were still around. I would classify both of them as power hungry, egomaniacs that would borrow concepts from anybody if they thought it would advance their cause.

I consider myself a fairly devoted Misesian, however having studied Das Kapital I cannot reject all of Marx's conclusions nor all of his criticisms, even though I find the bulk of the work to be rubbish, would that make me an "impure Marxist"?

It wasn't intended to be an all encompassing description of Marxism. It was intended to express the primary reason that neither Alinsky or Obama were 'pure' Marxists.

But whatever you believe among the minutia, nobody can be a Marxist of any kind and support the MAGA agenda. Nobody can support the principles this country was founded on and be a Marxist of any kind.

As for Marx getting some things right, who doesn't? The old cliche' of a stopped clock will be right twice a day isn't wrong. As evil as they were, Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler eliminated unemployment in Germany. Neither thing justified the evil that they did.

I have always maintained that every major (and probably the more obscure) religion on the planet includes some element of truth in their doctrines. No political system ever devised did not have at least something to commend it and that includes all forms of government. The only famous world leader I have never found anything that was in any way good written about him was Idi Amin but I bet there's at least a little something that didn't make the history books.

Usually when I describe someone as a Marxist, it is because they embrace MOST of the concepts of Marxism. It's pretty hard to find anybody who is a 'pure' anything.

 

[NetJedi]

It wasn't intended to be an all encompassing description of Marxism. It was intended to express the primary reason that neither Alinsky or Obama were 'pure' Marxists.

But whatever you believe among the minutia, nobody can be a Marxist of any kind and support the MAGA agenda. Nobody can support the principles this country was founded on and be a Marxist of any kind.

As for Marx getting some things right, who doesn't? The old cliche' of a stopped clock will be right twice a day isn't wrong. As evil as they were, Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler eliminated unemployment in Germany. Neither thing justified the evil that they did.

I have always maintained that every major (and probably the more obscure) religion on the planet includes some element of truth in their doctrines. No political system ever devised did not have at least something to commend it and that includes all forms of government. The only famous world leader I have never found anything that was in any way good written about him was Idi Amin but I bet there's at least a little something that didn't make the history books.

Usually when I describe someone as a Marxist, it is because they embrace MOST of the concepts of Marxism. It's pretty hard to find anybody who is a 'pure' anything.

Interesting, I didn't mean to get off into the weeds, it's just something that I think about when someone refers to public figures as "Marxist" of any degree. I appreciate the detailed response.

 

[Foxfyre]

Interesting, I didn't mean to get off into the weeds, it's just something that I think about when someone refers to public figures as "Marxist" of any degree. I appreciate the detailed response.

No harm. No foul. I appreciate the opportunity for the mental workout without having to deal with the trollist kinds of responses.

 

[skye]

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

FACT CHECK: Setting the Record Straight on Bidenomics | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

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Bidenomics is a disaster

Built Back Brittle!

 

[EMH]

12 years of him throwing monkey wrenches into the gears of America. He should be hanged for treason, IMO.
If all the things he's done and communications are investigated, I'm sure he could be convicted of treason.

500 times over...

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You are aware Day 1 is over a month away, right, moron?
I hope I'm here on the 22nd to see your hair on fire. Because it damn sure will be.

 

[DonGlock26]

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Newsflash, Joe "Bidenomics" Biden is still president.

 

[ColonelAngus]

This economy is in such a bubble right now.

Modern Monetary Theory is total bullshit.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

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Newsflash, Joe "Bidenomics" Biden is still president.


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Trump isn't yet................. and he is already choking.

www.newsweek.com · trump-walks-back-grocery-pricesTrump Walks Back Grocery Prices Promise: 'Hard to Bring ...​

1 day ago · President-Elect Donald Trump at the Elysee Palace for a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron on December 7, 2024 in Paris. Trump toned down his promise to...........

Trump's answer was decisively different from the tone he struck while campaigning for the White House. A day before the 2024 election, he delivered a final message to his supporters at a rally in Pittsburgh, "A vote for Trump means your groceries will be cheaper."

"So many people mention groceries--a beautiful but simple word: groceries," Trump said on November 4. "You don't think of it that way, but that's what they mention more than anything: 'my groceries.'

 

[jknowgood]

Link to those job numbers, shitbird.

He forgot they got revised and almost a million jobs weren't created.

 

[initforme]

ODS...just as bad asTDS. This co.i g from a white Christian male.

 

[DonGlock26]

Trump isn't yet................. and he is already choking.

www.newsweek.com · trump-walks-back-grocery-pricesTrump Walks Back Grocery Prices Promise: 'Hard to Bring ...​

1 day ago · President-Elect Donald Trump at the Elysee Palace for a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron on December 7, 2024 in Paris. Trump toned down his promise to...........

Trump's answer was decisively different from the tone he struck while campaigning for the White House. A day before the 2024 election, he delivered a final message to his supporters at a rally in Pittsburgh, "A vote for Trump means your groceries will be cheaper."

"So many people mention groceries--a beautiful but simple word: groceries," Trump said on November 4. "You don't think of it that way, but that's what they mention more than anything: 'my groceries.'

Your own source:

Although Trump said it would be hard to bring down those prices, he told Time that he believes they would fall as a result of his energy and supply chain policies.

Trump walks back grocery prices promise: 'Hard to bring things down'

The day before the election, Trump said, "A vote for Trump means your groceries will be cheaper."

www.newsweek.com

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Your own source:

"Although Trump said it would be hard to bring down those prices, he told Time that he believes they would fall as a result of his energy and supply chain policies".

The US is drilling more now than any time in history.
No shortage of goods.
No delay in receiving goods.
Since Bezos donated a $1,000,000 to Trump, is Trump going to put everyone on prime?

LOL.

 

[DonGlock26]

"Although Trump said it would be hard to bring down those prices, he told Time that he believes they would fall as a result of his energy and supply chain policies".

The US is drilling more now than any time in history.
No shortage of goods.
No delay in receiving goods.
Since Bezos donated a $1,000,000 to Trump, is Trump going to put everyone on prime?

LOL.

Why are gas prices higher under Biden???

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Why are gas prices higher under Biden???

Because Biden changed every single fuel price on every single fuel pump in America.
He's a busy man.

 

[DonGlock26]

Because Biden changed every single fuel price on every single fuel pump in America.
He's a busy man.

The best part of Trump's second term will be how uncomfortable America's leftists will be over the improving economy.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The best part of Trump's second term will be how uncomfortable America's leftists will be over the improving economy.

Just "leftist"?
Sure..............

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