The truth about the partial islamization of the palestinian cause

[José]

The following message was posted by an american jew who lives in Israel and contribute to the Israel Forum under the nickname “KettleWhistle”.

KettleWhistle openly supported the assasination of Yitzhak Rabin and publically advocates the mass expulsion of all arabs (even israeli arabs) and their resettlement in Jordan, Syria and Egypt.

Take a look at what he said about Rabin’s murder:

I doubt Amir killed him in cold blood.

More importantly that someone he killed was an utter scumbag, a traitor, a deserter, and a murderer. In all fairness, Amir should've gotten a slap on the wrist, not a lifetime sentence.

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?p=257943#post257943

So the author of the next post has no love lost for the palestinian people.

Let’s see what KettleWhistle has to say about the partial islamization of the palestinian cause.

 

[José]

Israel Forum

Thread: Gaza is now part of Egypt

Originally posted by KettleWhistle – message # 6 - 01-24-2008​

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not Shia-controlled. Iranians give them money, so they take it. And let's not forget why these organizations even exist--it was all those Israeli retards, the so called Arabic experts, who decided to propagate Islam amongst these Arabs in the 80's to pacify them.

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?p=262293

 

[ReillyT]

Okay. So?

 

[José]

Those words came straight from the mouth of an ultra zionist american jew who advocates the forced eviction of the entire arab population.

Even ultra zionists concede the fact that Israel played a major role in the rise of Hamas and all the other islamic organizations.

They hoped fundamentalist palestinians would be too busy praying to take up arms and fight for their homeland and their disastrous plan came back to bite them in the ass.

How ironic heh, people??

Carter is now being criticized for meeting with an islamic/nationalist organization propped up by ISRAEL ITSELF, in order to weaken the RIGOROUSLY SECULAR PLO and fragment the palestinian resistance movement.

The famous divide and conquer strategy.

Even more ironic:

What’s the most frequently used excuse to justify racism in Palestine?

The good, old “Hamas wants to wipe out the jewish people”.

The very same fundamentalist organization founded with Israel’s blessings and money.

 

[jillian]

And your words came from the mouth of a wanna be terrorist who hasn't the nerve to blow himself up.

Big deal. You say all jews should die. He says all palestinians should die.

You're both idiots.

 

[Shogun]

Jose.. dude... -1 point for you. So what that some dude on some message board says what he has to say. I don't think that he is necessarily representative of anyone anymore than any of OUR goofy asses are. Do you stir shit on that board or something and get yourself banned?


poor form, dude.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Shogun
Jose.. dude... -1 point for you. So what that some dude on some message board says what he has to say. I don't think that he is necessarily representative of anyone anymore than any of OUR goofy asses are. Do you stir shit on that board or something and get yourself banned?

poor form, dude.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS.

I decided to reproduce KettleWhistle’s post here after seeing all your links being discarded as anti-Israeli propaganda (even the Jerusalem Post is viewed by many as a left wing newspaper).

So I wanted to back up my argument that the process of partial islamization of the palestinian struggle was the direct result of one of the hundreds of attempts by Israel to manipulate the palestinian people that took place over the last 60 years.

It’s nothing more than this, a quotation from an israeli hardliner to show that this is a historical fact reconized as such by the entire political spectrum.

PS:

Jillian didn’t adress the topic of the thread, but at least, she tried to come up with something resembling an intelligent, articulate reply but your post fits the definition of shit stirring perfectly.

0% SUBSTANCE

100% TROLLING

Big disappointment : (

 

[ReillyT]

I didn't get where you were going with this initially. Now I see. However, surely there is a reputable book or newspaper article that you could cite to make this point. Even if true, "Kettlewhistle" hardly stands as established source.

 

[Shogun]

not only that, dude... but we have our own hellbent zionists so you probably didn't even need to quote some other keyboard jokey from some other forum. I mean, I guess i'd be flattered if people were out quoting me on another forum but that doesn't make me representative of anyone other than myself.



I know, dude. It's frustrating to see the ironic nature of many zionist positions when it comes to validating everything jewish and nothing arab. trust me, I know. But I don't think this guy is indicative of anything relevant.


unless, of course, you can prove that this poster is Bibi.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Shogun
not only that, dude... but we have our own hellbent zionists so you probably didn't even need to quote some other keyboard jokey from some other forum. I mean, I guess i'd be flattered if people were out quoting me on another forum but that doesn't make me representative of anyone other than myself.

I know, dude. It's frustrating to see the ironic nature of many zionist positions when it comes to validating everything jewish and nothing arab. trust me, I know. But I don't think this guy is indicative of anything relevant.

unless, of course, you can prove that this poster is Bibi.

As much as I despise KettleWhistle’s ideas I have a great deal of respect for his deep knowledge on Israel/Palestine.

If only our resident zionists understood issues like “the rise of islamic fundamentalism in Palestine”!!

During the short time I posted there he chose not to cross swords with me which was a shame since he’s such a knowledgeable poster.

And if you allow me to theorise a bit about KettleWhistle:

This type of individual is typical of ethnocratic conflicts.

Both sides see the other as existential threats. Even the mention of a possible breakdown of the ethnocracy and the establishment of a state based on racial equality is immediately discarded as code words for genocide.

See jillian up there equating racial equality in Palestine to “wanting to see all jews dead”.

There were “KettleWhistles” during the civil rights movement in America, during the last decades of apartheid in SA and there’s no reason to be different in Palestine now.

And answering your question, yes, I was eventually banned forever from the board by the owner himself, NewsGuy, but not for stirring up shit.

The board’s subtitle says it all:

Israel Forum - 24-Hour News, Discussion & Debate from a Pro-Israeli Viewpoint

 

[José]

Originally posted by ReillyT
I didn't get where you were going with this initially. Now I see. However, surely there is a reputable book or newspaper article that you could cite to make this point. Even if true, "Kettlewhistle" hardly stands as established source.

LOL.

So very true, Reilly : )

But that’s the whole point!! Kettlewhistle’s post is the only online “source” I know regarding this particular issue.

You might want to check out “Hamas: a history from within” by Azzam Tamimi.

Since I don’t have any link, let me summarize the whole issue for you, Reilly.

We all know long posts are a big turnoff so I’ll try to be as succint as I can.

 

[José]

In the early sixties, Sheik Ahmed Yassin (founder of Hamas) was an obscure college student and member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Cairo (the famous fundamentalist organization, whose long term political (and utopian) goal is the creation of a unified islamic political entity from Spain/North Africa to Indonesia).

As we all know the 60’s were not exactly the best time to be a bible thumper, or in his case, a koran thumper.

The Middle East was being flooded by Nasserism, the ideology that preached secularism, socialism and pan arabism (ETHNICITY not RELIGION... iranians, afghans, turks, pakistanis etc, etc, would not be allowed in the club).

The epicenter of Nasserism was obviously Egypt (that occupied Gaza at the time).

During the sixties Israel saw the PLO as a guerrilla force used by Nasser to advance the secular, pan arabist cause.

There was a consensus in Israel that secularism and pan arabism was the fuel of the palestinian resistance movement and ANY organization that emphasized religion and (utopian) pan islamism over arab nationalism would weaken the palestinian demands to return to their places of origin in western Palestine.

After the Six Day War, Israel assumed control over Gaza and this marked the beginning of the Israeli strategy of propping up muslim fundamentalism to serve as a counterweight to palestinian nationalism, ReillyT.

As soon as General Ariel Sharon drove the egyptian forces out of Gaza/Sinai, Yassin and many other members of the Muslim Brotherhood were released from israeli jails and allowed to preach Islam freely in Gaza.

This was the beggining of the islamization of Gaza. It’s hard to believe this in 2008 but until 1967 the territory was even more secular than the West Bank!!!!

Under israeli rule, Mosques and religious organisations started multiplying in Gaza like mushrooms after the rain and I’m not talking about an increase of 20 or 40 new Mosques. I’m talking about an increase of 400, 500!!

While PLO members in Gaza and Arafat himself in Lebannon and Tunisia were hunted down and arrested/killed, Yassin got an official license from the israeli government to create an islamic center in Gaza City and that center gradually dominated all the islamic intitutions with Israel’s approval.

Let me make something clear, Reilly:

Yassin, even as a palestinian refugee himself (he was born in a village near Ashkelon around 1930 and fled to Gaza during the 1948 war), but MAINLY as a muslim, always hated Israel.

So he didn’t wake up in the morning in 1987 and decided to create a religious/political/military organization to fight Israel. Far from it.

But during the 60’s and 70’s, Yassin was shocked and appalled by the secularism and religious apathy then prevalent in Palestinian society and the entire arab world. More or less like Benedict XVI taking a guided tour to a nudist resort.

He thought the liberation of Palestine should be postponed to promote the islamisation of the palestinian society.

Yassin and his cohorts were always treated with hostility by the secular factions of the palestinian society who called them “traitors who spend all day in the Mosque and don’t raise a finger to fight the Zionist Entity”.

Desperate to get rid of the PLO and its secular nationalism, this line of thinking sounded like music to Israel’s ears and the country did everything in its power to legitimise and help that fragile, crippled man who urged palestinians to lay down their assault rifles and just be good muslims.

We will never know when, precisely, Yassin finally decided it was time to embrace armed struggle but you have the following historical facts and circumstances that are not open for discussion:

1) Islamic Jihad, a splinter group of the Muslim Brotherhood (founded by people who were freed from israeli jails together with Yassin in 67), “inaugurates” the islamic armed struggle for Palestine in the early eighties.

2) During the eighties the frustration in the palestinian society due to the failure to achieve a permanent solution in a timely manner grew exponentially, leading to the first intifada when Hamas was finally founded by Yassin and Rantisi.

 

[onedomino]

LOL.

So very true, Reilly : )

But that’s the whole point!! Kettlewhistle’s post is the only online “source” I know regarding this particular issue.

You might want to check out “Hamas: a history from within” by Azzam Tamimi.

Since I don’t have any link, let me summarize the whole issue for you, Reilly.

We all know long posts are a big turnoff so I’ll try to be as succint as I can.

Jose, you can see from your rep points what the board thinks of you. And you have received these points from both the Left and Right. Some of the most monstrous messages ever posted on this board were authored by you. Over 600 times you have posted here. A very high percentage of those posts have been anti Israeli. Tell me Jose, as one of the Boys from Brazil, why are you so obsessed with the Israeli - Palestinian dispute?

 

[José]

This is the basic history of the partial islamization of the palestinian struggle, Reilly.

An episode in the larger history of Israeli manipulation of the palestinian people.

From the release of Yassin and other members of the MB from jail in 67 to the official support for the creation of Islamic centers and Mosques, the islamization of the Palestinian society was a disastrous, criminal policy carried out by Israel during the 70’s and 80’s.

Israel’s belief that the gradual islamization of the palestinian society would lead to the supression of the palestinian national identity came back to haunt the country in the 80’s.

The palestinian identity was not superceded by Islam. Islam co-opted the palestinian national identity giving a new religious dimension to it.

Palestine was now seen, not only as the historical homeland of the palestinian people, but mainly, as a land promised to them by God and renouncing to this land was no longer treason, but heresy.

Today, Israel and the world “fondly” remember the palestinian secular armed struggle and its plane hijackings, embassy attacks, border raids etc, etc.

With the introduction of the suicide bombing in the eighties the Islamists have outdone anything the secular groups could have imagined, the same secularists who mocked them in the sixties and seventies for their inaction.

Promoting muslim fundamentalism in Palestine, Israel delivered A MAJOR BLOW to all of us gentiles and brave jews who still have a dim hope to see the peaceful dismantlement of Israel and the creation of a unitary, secular state comprising the entire region of historical Palestine in our lifetimes.

The partial islamization of the palestinian cause is a sad development that will certainly result in a huge delay in the democratization of the region.

 

[José]

Couldn’t be more “concise” than this long winded essay, Reilly. I’m sorry.

I still prefer KettleWhistle’s summation (it’s way funnier):

And let's not forget why these organizations even exist--it was all those Israeli retards, the so called Arabic experts, who decided to propagate Islam amongst these Arabs in the 80's to pacify them.

“All those Israeli retards, the so called Arabic experts...”

LOL

 

[José]

But, at least, I hope I succeeded in avoiding a professoral tone : )

 

[Annie]

Jose, you can see from your rep points what the board thinks of you. And you have received these points from both the Left and Right. Some of the most monstrous messages ever posted on this board were authored by you. Over 600 times you have posted here. A very high percentage of those posts have been anti Israeli. Tell me Jose, as one of the Boys from Brazil, why are you so obsessed with the Israeli - Palestinian dispute?

Noted he didn't respond.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Kathianne
Noted he didn't respond.

 

[José]

Originally posted by onedomino
Some of the most monstrous messages ever posted on this board were authored by you.

Let me give an example of what onedomino called my “monstrous messages”.

The old timers will remember a female member of the board named Bonnie.

She posted one of the sickest articles on the palestinian people I have ever read in my life, written by an arab american named Youssef I don’t remember the rest.

Me and my fucking luck... To add insult to injury, the arab from Hell is my namesake.

In the article, the son of a bitch poked fun at the suffering of the palestinian people, saying obscenities like this:

“Your rockets cause little damage to Israel and they bring the wrath of american made weapons on you etc etc

So let’s accept defeat and move on.”

As I said, one of the most obscene, morally depraved articles I have ever read.

Mocking the suffering of the palestinian people... I have seen psychopaths in my life expressing more compassion for animals than that arab for the palestinian people.

The guy is screwed in the head.

Then I wrote the following reply:

Why are you in a hurry to see their surrender, Yussef?

The great lesson the jewish people taught the world is that it is OK to wait 2000 years to have your homeland back.

For a state that’s not even a sexagenarian, Israel is already in pretty bad shape.

So sit back, relax and watch Israel’s international reputation going down the pipe... two american skyscrappers at a time.

Everybody forgets the pornographic content of the article or post I respond to.

For some unknown reason, they just remember my “monstrous” replies that I type angrily.

But I won’t try to make up excuses for my behavior.

If I come into a message board and see 20 total idiots dehumanising the palestinian people and then I dehumanise 3000 innocent american workers who never harmed any palestinian in their lives I’m a total idiot too, just like them. Welcome to the club.

I won’t try to refute this accusation because onedomino does have a point here.

 

[José]

Sorry, domino... didn’t have time to adress your entire post.