Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

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If any of the disciples thought or suspected that Jesus claimed to be God they would have stoned him themselves. As it turned out Judas, who was hoping for a violent revolutionary, betrayed Jesus because he thought the "love thy enemy" Jesus was a false prophet.

And I proved that wrong with post 338. Whereas you on the other hand offer no evidence whatsoever.

The Apostles were among the very first Christians, as they were Jesus's closest disciples who spread his message after his death, but the term "Christian" wasn't used for them (or anyone else) until later in Antioch, around A.D. 30-40, when Jewish followers of Jesus were first called "Christians" by outsiders. Before that, they called themselves "The Way" or "followers of Jesus," but the Apostles were foundational to the early church.

Key Points:

• The Apostles were the first followers: The Apostles (like Peter, John, etc.) were disciples who followed Jesus during his ministry.
• "Christian" was a later label: The term "Christian" (meaning "follower of Christ") first appeared in Antioch when disciples were labeled as such, likely by non-Jewish people.
• Early believers were Jewish Christians: The earliest believers, including the Apostles and others, were ethnically Jewish followers of Jesus who believed he was the Messiah.
• They called themselves "The Way": The early movement, including the Apostles, often referred to themselves as "The Way," as recorded in the Bible's Book of Acts.

 

[hobelim]

Feel free to fact check the scriptural references. The gospels make a concerted effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being. It's undeniable.

Let me let you in on a little secret. It was written that way deliberately. To curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven above the grasp of the enemy. The Gospels were written by unknown Jewish authors who witnessed the destruction of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish men woman and children.

The Gospels were the first century equivalent of the nuclear option.

So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, that turns in every direction, to guard the WAY to the tree of life."

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations".

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

 

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Let me let you in on a little secret. It was written that way deliberately. To curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven. The Gospels were written by unknown Jewish authors who witnessed the destruction of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish men woman and children and were the first century equivalent of the nuclear option.


"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations".

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

The first Christians worshiped Jesus as God before the gospels were written. Which means they did so because of what they had seen.

 

[hobelim]

The first Christians worshiped Jesus as God before the gospels were written. Which means they did so because of what they had seen.

That is a non sequitur.

Apparently the sword that Jesus said he came to bring, a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, still works like a charm!

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."



Bottoms up!

 

[Hafar1014]

Google "were the first Christians Jewish?"

the first Christians were Jewish, as Christianity began as a Jewish sect centered around Jesus, a Jewish man, who his followers believed was the promised Messiah, gradually distinguishing itself from Judaism over time through the inclusion of Gentiles and differing interpretations of law and tradition.

Key Points:

• Jewish Origins: Jesus and his initial followers were all Jewish, observing Jewish customs, and initially viewed Christianity as the fulfillment of Judaism.
• "The Way":Early believers called themselves followers of "the Way," a Jewish movement, rather than "Christians," a term likely coined by outsiders in Antioch for followers of "Christ" (Messiah)
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• • Messianic Belief: The core difference was the belief that Jesus was the Messiah, a concept that redefined messianic expectations within Judaism, especially with the idea of a suffering Messiah.
  • Gradual Separation: The split wasn't immediate; early Christians continued to worship in synagogues, but debates over whether Gentile converts needed to follow Jewish laws (like circumcision) led to increasing separation.
  • Gentile Inclusion: The decision to allow Gentiles to join without full conversion (circumcision, food laws) was a major factor in Christianity becoming a distinct, global religion, further solidifying the break from its Jewish roots.
  • Historical Context: Christianity emerged from Second Temple Judaism, and the divergence became more pronounced after events like the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in AD 70.

Jews fr Jesus a well known nut cult of people with social anxiety disorder

 

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That is a non sequitur.

Apparently the sword that Jesus said he came to bring, a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, still works like a charm!



Bottoms up!

No it is not a non sequitur. Jesus being worshiped as God immediately after he rose from the dead and before the gospels were written is proof that they worshiped Jesus as God because of what they saw.

 

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Jews fr Jesus a well known nut cult of people with social anxiety disorder

Of course you see it that way. You demonize what you hate.

 

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It was written that way deliberately. To curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven. The Gospels were written by unknown Jewish authors who witnessed the destruction of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish men woman and children and were the first century equivalent of the nuclear option.

That's quite the conspiracy theory you have there. Too bad Jesus being worshiped as God before the gospels were written destroys that conspiracy theory argument.

 

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So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, that turns in every direction, to guard the WAY to the tree of life."

"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations".

"Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."

"Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink."

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

Satan quoted scripture for his own evil purposes too. What you are intending for evil, God is using for good.

 

[Hafar1014]

Of course you see it that way. You demonize what you hate.

I have known some and they all had menta issues. Religion is a nut magnet

 

[hobelim]

That's quite the conspiracy theory you have there.

Yes it is. The entire world will be illuminated by it.

Too bad Jesus being worshiped as God before the gospels were written destroys that conspiracy theory argument.

If anyone worshipped Jesus as God at any time they were just not very bright.

Thats all that proves.

 

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It was written that way deliberately. To curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven.

Preserve it for whom? Christians? Jews? The Jews rejected him. So who were these treasures being preserved for exactly?

 

[Hafar1014]

Satan quoted scripture for his own evil purposes too. What you are intending for evil, God is using for good

Yes it is. The entire world will be illuminated by it.


If anyone worshipped Jesus as God at any time they were just not very bright.

Thats all that proves.

There is some truth to that as the abstract god god Judaism required intelligence so they invented Jesus and gave god a name and face

 

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Yes it is. The entire world will be illuminated by it.


If anyone worshipped Jesus as God at any time they were just not very bright.

Thats all that proves.

Actually I am proving how dumb your attempts at subversion are.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually I am proving how dumb your attempts at subversion are.

The goyim are not known for intelligence

 

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There is some truth to that as the abstract god god Judaism required intelligence so they invented Jesus and gave god a name and face

You are proving yourself to be exactly who I thought you were.

 

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The goyim are not known for intelligence

I couldn't be happier for you to see it that way. Here... let me give you some more rope to hang yourself.

 

[Hafar1014]

I couldn't be happier for you to see it that way. Here... let me give you some more rope to hang yourself.

Goyim

 

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Goyim

You are an ideologue that hates truth. God is truth.

Judaism teaches that God is Truth (Emet), viewing God as the source and embodiment of absolute truth, with the Torah being described as "Torah of Truth," and "God's seal is truth," emphasizing that falsehood distances one from God. This means truth isn't just a concept but intrinsic to God's being, necessitating a lifelong pursuit of understanding this divine truth through diligent study and observance.

Key Concepts:

• God as Truth (Emet): The Hebrew word Emet (Truth) is central; God is considered the ultimate, unchanging reality, and His seal or signature is Truth.
• Torah as Truth: The Torah (God's revelation) is called the "Torah of Truth," containing the keys to understanding existence and God's purpose.
• Pursuit of Truth: While God is Truth, Jews are called to constantly seek and immerse themselves in Torah to uncover its profound truths, like a hidden treasure.
• Distinction from Falsehood: Judaism emphasizes distancing oneself from falsehood (midevar sheker tirchak) because it separates people from God, who is truth.

Scriptural & Rabbinic Support:

• Jeremiah 10 : 10: "The Lord God is truth".
• Psalms 119:142: "Thy Torah is truth".
• Talmud (Shabbat 55a): States that God's seal is Truth, symbolized by the letters Aleph, Mem, and Taf (אמת - Emet), representing the beginning, middle, and end of the alphabet, signifying God's omnipresence and completeness.

 

[Hafar1014]

You are an ideologue that hates truth. God is truth.

Judaism teaches that God is Truth (Emet), viewing God as the source and embodiment of absolute truth, with the Torah being described as "Torah of Truth," and "God's seal is truth," emphasizing that falsehood distances one from God. This means truth isn't just a concept but intrinsic to God's being, necessitating a lifelong pursuit of understanding this divine truth through diligent study and observance.

Key Concepts:

• God as Truth (Emet): The Hebrew word Emet (Truth) is central; God is considered the ultimate, unchanging reality, and His seal or signature is Truth.
• Torah as Truth: The Torah (God's revelation) is called the "Torah of Truth," containing the keys to understanding existence and God's purpose.
• Pursuit of Truth: While God is Truth, Jews are called to constantly seek and immerse themselves in Torah to uncover its profound truths, like a hidden treasure.
• Distinction from Falsehood: Judaism emphasizes distancing oneself from falsehood (midevar sheker tirchak) because it separates people from God, who is truth.

Scriptural & Rabbinic Support:

• Jeremiah 10 "The Lord God is truth".
• Psalms 119:142: "Thy Torah is truth".
• Talmud (Shabbat 55a): States that God's seal is Truth, symbolized by the letters Aleph, Mem, and Taf (אמת - Emet), representing the beginning, middle, and end of the alphabet, signifying God's omnipresence and completeness.

Jesus isnt the truth or god. God cant have a name