Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

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No, he is not going to hell. He is already in it. He openly and brazenly practices idolatry, the penalty is death, and misleads others to do the same, which amounts to intentional murder.

HE HAS HIS REWARD ALREADY!

I got that the other 10,001 times you said that. According to you all Christians do that.

 

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No, you said he is making "Jews" look bad. You have said the same thing to me. Face it dingbot. You are what you is.

He is making Jews look bad, dummy.

 

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My sweet Poppet,

No, you said he is making "Jews" look bad. You've said the same thing to me. Face it dingbot. You are what you is.

Sincerely,

Secular Jesus.

You both are.

 

[hobelim]

He is making Jews look bad, dummy.

No.

YOU are making yourself look like a petulant child with no education and a loaded diaper.

 

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No.

YOU are making yourself look like a petulant child with no education and a loaded diaper.

I'm happy with the record. It's all there in black and white.

 

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It was written that way deliberately. To curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven above the grasp of the enemy. The Gospels were written by unknown Jewish authors who witnessed the destruction of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish men woman and children.

That's quite the conspiracy theory you have there. Too bad Jesus being worshiped as God before the gospels were written destroys that conspiracy theory argument.

 

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It was written that way deliberately. To curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven above the grasp of the enemy.

Preserve it for whom? Christians? Jews? The Jews rejected him. So who were these treasures being preserved for exactly?

 

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So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, that turns in every direction, to guard the WAY to the tree of life." "I have not come to bring peace but a sword." "Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them." "From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite "the nations". "Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant." "Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink." "He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

Satan quoted scripture for his own evil purposes too. What you are intending for evil, God is using for good.

 

[hobelim]

I'm happy with the record. It's all there in black and white.

Cool. You're happy. I'm happy.

So **** off.

 

[hobelim]

That's quite the conspiracy theory you have there. Too bad Jesus being worshiped as God before the gospels were written destroys that conspiracy theory argument.

No. It just demonstrates that you understand neither scripture nor the power of my God.

 

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Cool. You're happy. I'm happy.

So **** off.

You said the gospels were deliberately written to make Jesus look like a supernatural being to curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven above the grasp of the enemy, right?

Preserve it for whom? Christians? Jews? The Jews rejected him. So who were these treasures being preserved for exactly?

Who was the enemy?

 

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No. It just demonstrates that you understand neither scripture nor the power of my God.

The gospels clearly were written to show Jesus was a supernatural being. You have already admitted such. According to you they were written that way to curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven above the grasp of the enemy.

So we are in agreement that the gospels were written to show Jesus is a supernatural being. We are in disagreement as to why. You say it was to curse the enemy. I say it was because Jesus really did perform many supernatural feats. History shows that Jesus was worshiped as God immediately after he rose from the dead. Which was many years before the gospels were written. So the only basis the first Christians could have had to worship Jesus as God was what they saw.

 

[hobelim]

The gospels clearly were written to show Jesus was a supernatural being. You have already admitted such. According to you they were written that way to curse the enemy and preserve the treasures of the kingdom of heaven above the grasp of the enemy.

So we are in agreement that the gospels were written to show Jesus is a supernatural being.

Obviously thinking is not your strong suit.

 

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Obviously thinking is not your strong suit.

How so?

Which enemy were they written to curse?

Who were the treasures being preserved for?

 

[Quantrill]

Thats a bigoted statement. You see bigotry is when you extrapolate one person to represent a group as a whole. I just challenge Christian dogma as absurd distortions of Judaism and have done good job of supporting that. If Jesus was real why change the meaning of Genesis.

You pervert the Old Testament. Your Bible is only the Pentateuch, by your own words. Your reject the rest of the books of the Old Testament. Do the Jews believe that?

Then you admit to trusting in Mediums, spiritists. Contrary to your Pentateuch. (Lev. 19:31) You're just a defiled piece of shit. Just like your companion hobelim is. In fact I wonder if you are not the same persons as you both are so full of the same shit.

What do you declare the meaning of Genesis is? You who are defiled.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I pioneered treatment interventions for infant and child trauma that are used worldwide. That is what Judaism teaches. Tikkun Olam. That was my goal among other things. The truth is my father was a Protestant who I never knew.

So, you're a bastard. Surprise, surprise.

Nice speech. I have no reason to believe your bullshit. Save your personal stories. That is all heresay. You can lie about that as you do everything else.

Quantrill

 

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AI is no substitute for thinking. Any computer can only put out what was put in. By idiots.

Great then let's see if you can get AI to back up your allegations against Paul:

1. Paul hated Jesus
2. Paul was guilt ridden
3. Paul was self loathing
4. Paul was masochistic
5. Paul was homophobic
6. Paul was a misogynist
7. Paul was a shill for Rome

Let's see how you fair with getting AI to corroborate your 7 unsupported allegations against Paul, ok?

 

[alang1216]

alang1216

Portraying Jesus as supernatural isn't just an element in the Gospels; it's fundamental to what the Gospels aim to convey about his identity and purpose. So if it isn't true then it isn't an embellishment, it's a conspiracy to portray Jesus as supernatural.

The Gospels make a deliberate and central effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being, highlighting his divine nature through miraculous deeds (healings, nature control, resurrection), his unique divine conception, and his identity as the Son of God, with John's Gospel emphasizing his pre-existence and deity most strongly. While different Gospels emphasize different aspects (Matthew as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as perfect Man), all present a figure whose life, actions, and claims transcend the ordinary human experience to reveal God.

Evidence for the Supernatural in the Gospels:

• Miraculous Conception: Jesus's birth is attributed to the Holy Spirit, making him divinely conceived.
• Miraculous Deeds (Signs):The Gospels are filled with miracles, such as:
  • Changing water into wine (John).
  • Feeding multitudes with minimal food.
  • Walking on water and calming storms.
  • Healing the sick, blind, and lame.
  • Casting out demons.
  • Raising the dead (Lazarus).
• Divine Identity: The Gospel of John, in particular, presents Jesus as the eternal Word made flesh, co-equal with God, emphasizing his divine origin and nature from the start.
• Resurrection: The ultimate supernatural event, the resurrection, serves as proof of his divine power and identity, placing the other miracles in a credible light for believers, notes this Project Gutenberg text.

Concerted Effort:

• The authors structured their narratives to build this image, from Jesus's divine birth stories in Matthew and Luke to the "signs" in John designed to show his glory.
• Even the synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke), which focus on Jesus's humanity and role as servant/king, frame his actions within a supernatural context, contrasting him with ordinary men.

In essence, portraying Jesus as supernatural isn't just an element in the Gospels; it's fundamental to what the Gospels aim to convey about his identity and purpose.

I don't believe the ancients even made a distinction between the natural world and the supernatural world. God's walked the earth, dreams were messages, and there were spirits everywhere.

 

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I don't believe the ancients even made a distinction between the natural world and the supernatural world. God's walked the earth, dreams were messages, and there were spirits everywhere.

And this affects my point how? Because you seem to be arguing semantics. Replace supernatural with divine. You get the same result. The gospels intentionally portrayed Jesus as divine or as I like to say, supernatural. It wasn't a telephone game accident or embellishment. It was a concerted effort. You know, like in a conspiracy.

 

[alang1216]

And this affects my point how? Because you seem to be arguing semantics. Replace supernatural with divine. You get the same result. The gospels intentionally portrayed Jesus as divine or as I like to say, supernatural. It wasn't a telephone game accident or embellishment. It was a concerted effort. You know, like in a conspiracy.

So there are embellishments in the NT, just not about miracles or resurrection? Right. People who believed Jesus was the Messiah would never want to embellish the stories about him just to convince others.