Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

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Sure, it is really simple and painfully obvious.

Paul, like your ascetic guilt ridden self loathing masochistic homophobic misogynistic church just like every Christian denomination on earth is promoting the exact same perverse and ignorant literal interpretation of Divine Law that Jesus openly lived and died opposing.

Now splain to me how you're not a guilt ridden, self loathing, homophobic, misogynistic hypocrite (given your obsession with man ass) who's been duped by Paul into believing that practicing idolatry will save you from the penalty, the death, a curse, for practicing idolatry.



Take your time..... sucker.

Too bad you can't prove any of your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

 

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homophobic

I'm not biased against homosexuals. I'm only biased against homosexual religious nut jobs trying to subvert Jesus.

 

[hobelim]

Too bad you can't prove any of your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

You can believe that if it makes you feel better for others the proof is painfully obvious.

But still I would like to thank you for helping me to reveal the wisdom of my God in giving the command to refrain from "the flesh" of swine that do not ruminate by so generously demonstrating for all the world to see the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, for setting that simple easy to understand and comply with instruction from my God aside.

 

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You can believe that if it makes you feel better.

I can believe it period because that is reality. Paul's letters and deeds disprove your batshit crazy conspiracy theory that Paul was a shill for Rome, hated Jesus and was a guilt ridden self loathing masochistic homophobic misogynist.

 

[Quantrill]

So many questions. So little time.

You have the Bible, the Law and the Prophets, the NT, and the rest. You figure it out. For some mysterious reason even claiming to be literate you "believe" that a trinity became a sacrificial Jewish man that can be turned into a matzo by a priest so morons like you can defy the Law of my God not die and sin with impunity for life as long as you celebrate the death of Jesus set aside the Law of God and practice idolatry to be saved from the penalty, death, a curse, for practicing idolatry. Psst! You are dead. You died a very long time ago.

The stench of your corruption is great.

So **** off. The only thing you're proving by stalking me is how right I am, how insecure you are about your delusional beliefs, and how much the very truth disturbs your slumber.

If you had any faith at all you would have just said, "I fucked up", "I was schnookered."

And changed your diapers.

There has been plenty of time to answer the questions. You can't. Because you don't have the answers. Because the answers are against you. So you play stupid...but, not really, you are not playing.

I don't need to figure it out. I already know. I am just showing how full of shit you are. Your cup runneth over.

Stalking? Sorry, *****. Show where I have stalked you. You started it, but your ass can't cover it. Now you ***** and moan. So typical of your ilk. You piss and moan and then cower in the corner crying. 'Oh please don't hurt me". 'Please don't stalk me'. Such cowards. Your god would approve of you I am sure. Since you are so ashamed of him that you can't say anything about him.

You spout off many things but when questioned you run and hide.

You keep talking but can't prove anything.

You're a phony. A fake.

Well, I did say you are full of shit. Sort of the same thing.

Quantrill

 

[alang1216]

I think you should focus on the miracles you claim are embellished to show what was true and what was embellished. And I think you should do this for all of them. Unless of course you aren't interested in the truth.

Not an answer to the question.

 

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Not an answer to the question.

The question is irrelevant. If you are going to make the argument that the miracles were embellished you have to start by explaining what was true and what was embellished... for each account. And given that the NT accounts are nothing like the OT accounts, it isn't possible to make that case. The miracles performed by Christ were the points of the accounts. If there were only a few accounts, you might be able to make the embellishment argument. But when there are 40 of them, that raises to the level of conspiracy. It was a concerted effort to paint Jesus as supernatural. So either it was true or it was a conspiracy.

 

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alang1216

Portraying Jesus as supernatural isn't just an element in the Gospels; it's fundamental to what the Gospels aim to convey about his identity and purpose. So if it isn't true then it isn't an embellishment, it's a conspiracy to portray Jesus as supernatural.

The Gospels make a deliberate and central effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being, highlighting his divine nature through miraculous deeds (healings, nature control, resurrection), his unique divine conception, and his identity as the Son of God, with John's Gospel emphasizing his pre-existence and deity most strongly. While different Gospels emphasize different aspects (Matthew as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as perfect Man), all present a figure whose life, actions, and claims transcend the ordinary human experience to reveal God.

Evidence for the Supernatural in the Gospels:

• Miraculous Conception: Jesus's birth is attributed to the Holy Spirit, making him divinely conceived.
• Miraculous Deeds (Signs): The Gospels are filled with miracles, such as:
  • Changing water into wine (John).
  • Feeding multitudes with minimal food.
  • Walking on water and calming storms.
  • Healing the sick, blind, and lame.
  • Casting out demons.
  • Raising the dead (Lazarus).
• Divine Identity: The Gospel of John, in particular, presents Jesus as the eternal Word made flesh, co-equal with God, emphasizing his divine origin and nature from the start.
• Resurrection: The ultimate supernatural event, the resurrection, serves as proof of his divine power and identity, placing the other miracles in a credible light for believers, notes this Project Gutenberg text.

Concerted Effort:

• The authors structured their narratives to build this image, from Jesus's divine birth stories in Matthew and Luke to the "signs" in John designed to show his glory.
• Even the synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke), which focus on Jesus's humanity and role as servant/king, frame his actions within a supernatural context, contrasting him with ordinary men.

In essence, portraying Jesus as supernatural isn't just an element in the Gospels; it's fundamental to what the Gospels aim to convey about his identity and purpose.

 

[hobelim]

I don't need to figure it out. I already know. I am just showing how full of shit you are.

Is that what you think is actually happening? How cute!

So I am full of shit because I pointed out to you that in the very day you openly knowingly and brazenly set aside the Law of my God and turned to a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship on your knees and eat for spiritual life you died and descended into Gehenna, hell, Sheol, the realm of the dead? Or because I pointed out that no one can be saved from the consequences of idolatry, "the death", a curse, by practicing idolatry?

Oh my!

There must be something wrong with me. Help me! Help me! What must I do to be saved?

Throw my rational mind in the trash and seek salvation from the lifeless work of human hands? Confess my "sins" to a priest and then ask him to ask God to forgive me and then to show God just how sorry I am for sinning get on my knees, practice idolatry, desecrate the WORDS of Jesus the Actual Body of Christ and celebrate human sacrifice and murder?

Easy peasy? However tempting that might be....not by the hair on my chinny chin chin.

Brace yourself sheila!

 

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Is that what you think is actually happening? How cute!

So I am full of shit because I pointed out to you that in the very day you openly knowingly and brazenly set aside the Law of my God and turned to a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship on your knees and eat for spiritual life you died and descended into Gehenna, hell, Sheol, the realm of the dead? Or because I pointed out that no one can be saved from the consequences of idolatry, death, a curse, by practicing idolatry?

Oh my!

There must be something wrong with me. Help me! Help me! What must I do to be saved?

Throw my rational mind in the trash and seek salvation from the lifeless work of human hands? Confess my "sins" to a priest and then ask him to ask God to forgive me and then to show God just how sorry I am for sinning get on my knees, practice idolatry, desecrate the WORDS of Jesus the Actual Body of Christ and celebrate human sacrifice and murder?

However tempting that might be....not by the hair on my chinny chin chin. Brace yourself sheila!

And yet the fact that the gospels make a concerted effort to portray Jesus as supernatural is undeniable.

 

[hobelim]

And yet the fact that the gospels make a concerted effort to portray Jesus as supernatural is undeniable.

OK. So you may never become a deep thinker. Somehow I will try to live with that.

Not to worry! You can always make more money as a butcher.

 

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OK.

So you may never become a deep thinker but you can make more money as a butcher.

Deep thinkers recognize that Jesus was worshiped as God by Jews before the gospels were written. Which means they did so based upon what they saw.

 

[Hafar1014]

Deep thinkers recognize that Jesus was worshiped as God by Jews before the gospels were written. Which means they did so based upon what they saw.

Jews did not worship Jesus

 

[Quantrill]

Is that what you think is actually happening? How cute!

So I am full of shit because I pointed out to you that in the very day you openly knowingly and brazenly set aside the Law of my God and turned to a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship on your knees and eat for spiritual life you died and descended into Gehenna, hell, Sheol, the realm of the dead? Or because I pointed out that no one can be saved from the consequences of idolatry, "the death", a curse, by practicing idolatry?

Oh my!

There must be something wrong with me. Help me! Help me! What must I do to be saved?

Throw my rational mind in the trash and seek salvation from the lifeless work of human hands? Confess my "sins" to a priest and then ask him to ask God to forgive me and then to show God just how sorry I am for sinning get on my knees, practice idolatry, desecrate the WORDS of Jesus the Actual Body of Christ and celebrate human sacrifice and murder?

Easy peasy? However tempting that might be....not by the hair on my chinny chin chin.

Brace yourself sheila!

I explained what has actually happened. You are proven to be a fake. A phony and a liar. In other words, full of shit. That's why you just present one sentence of what I said.

You try and make a grand testimony that you are a follower of god. But you can't answer questions about your god. You refuse to answer questions about your god. At times you try and use the Bible as though you are following the God of the Bible. But then you reject the very words of the Bible. And you won't answer the question; is the Bible the only written Word of God?

And you reject Jesus Christ as the only Son of God and Saviour as told us in the Bible. You reject the Person of Jesus Christ as God/Man as told us in the Bible. And all the while you try and give the appearance that you follow the God of the Bible. Thus, as I said, you're a liar and full of shit.

Where do the followers of your god meet? Where do they worship? What written material do they have that describes their beliefs? All these have been asked before and you refuse to answer. Because you can't as your religion and god is just you. And what a piece of shit that is.

Quantrill

 

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Jews did not worship Jesus

Google "were the first Christians Jewish?"

the first Christians were Jewish, as Christianity began as a Jewish sect centered around Jesus, a Jewish man, who his followers believed was the promised Messiah, gradually distinguishing itself from Judaism over time through the inclusion of Gentiles and differing interpretations of law and tradition.

Key Points:

• Jewish Origins: Jesus and his initial followers were all Jewish, observing Jewish customs, and initially viewed Christianity as the fulfillment of Judaism.
• "The Way":Early believers called themselves followers of "the Way," a Jewish movement, rather than "Christians," a term likely coined by outsiders in Antioch for followers of "Christ" (Messiah)
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• • Messianic Belief: The core difference was the belief that Jesus was the Messiah, a concept that redefined messianic expectations within Judaism, especially with the idea of a suffering Messiah.
  • Gradual Separation: The split wasn't immediate; early Christians continued to worship in synagogues, but debates over whether Gentile converts needed to follow Jewish laws (like circumcision) led to increasing separation.
  • Gentile Inclusion: The decision to allow Gentiles to join without full conversion (circumcision, food laws) was a major factor in Christianity becoming a distinct, global religion, further solidifying the break from its Jewish roots.
  • Historical Context: Christianity emerged from Second Temple Judaism, and the divergence became more pronounced after events like the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in AD 70.

 

[hobelim]

Deep thinkers recognize that Jesus was worshiped as God by Jews before the gospels were written. Which means they did so based upon what they saw.

Nonsense.

If any of the disciples thought or suspected that Jesus claimed to be God they would have stoned him themselves. As it turned out Judas, who was hoping for a violent revolutionary, betrayed Jesus because he thought the "love thy enemy" Jesus was a false prophet.

 

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You try and make a grand testimony that you are a follower of god. But you can't answer questions about your god.

Exactly. His only purpose is the subversion of Christianity.

 

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Nonsense.

If any of the disciples thought that Jesus claimed to be God they would have stoned him themselves. As it turned out Judas, who was hoping for a violent revolutionary, betrayed Jesus because he thought the "love thy enemy" Jesus was a false prophet.

Clearly you have not read the gospels.

The apostles worshipped Jesus as God after his resurrection, with specific instances in Matthew 28:9 and 28:17 showing them bowing down to him, and Thomas declaring "My Lord and my God," confirming their recognition of his divinity and victory over death, a worship that continued through his ascension and the early church.

Biblical Examples of Post-Resurrection Worship:

• Matthew 28:9 & 17: After the resurrection, some women worshipped Jesus, and the disciples, upon seeing him on a mountain, worshipped him, though some doubted initially.
• John 20:28: After Jesus appeared to the disciples and Thomas, Thomas exclaimed, "My Lord and my God!".
• Luke 24:52: After his ascension, the disciples worshipped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, continually praising God.

Significance of This Worship:

• Recognition of Divinity: This worship wasn't mere respect for a teacher but acknowledgment of Jesus as divine, the Son of God, who had conquered death.
• Acceptance of Divine Status: Jesus never rebuked this worship, unlike angels who would redirect it, showing he accepted it as due to his divine nature.
• Foundation of Faith: These encounters solidified the apostles' understanding and belief in Jesus's unique relationship with God, paving the way for the Christian faith.

In essence, the apostles' worship of the resurrected Jesus marked the definitive transition from following a powerful teacher to believing in God incarnate.

 

[hobelim]

Clearly you have not read the gospels.

The apostles worshipped Jesus as God after his resurrection, with specific instances in Matthew 28:9 and 28:17 showing them bowing down to him, and Thomas declaring "My Lord and my God," confirming their recognition of his divinity and victory over death, a worship that continued through his ascension and the early church.

Biblical Examples of Post-Resurrection Worship:

• Matthew 28:9 & 17: After the resurrection, some women worshipped Jesus, and the disciples, upon seeing him on a mountain, worshipped him, though some doubted initially.
• John 20:28: After Jesus appeared to the disciples and Thomas, Thomas exclaimed, "My Lord and my God!".
• Luke 24:52: After his ascension, the disciples worshipped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, continually praising God.

Significance of This Worship:

• Recognition of Divinity: This worship wasn't mere respect for a teacher but acknowledgment of Jesus as divine, the Son of God, who had conquered death.
• Acceptance of Divine Status: Jesus never rebuked this worship, unlike angels who would redirect it, showing he accepted it as due to his divine nature.
• Foundation of Faith: These encounters solidified the apostles' understanding and belief in Jesus's unique relationship with God, paving the way for the Christian faith.

In essence, the apostles' worship of the resurrected Jesus marked the definitive transition from following a powerful teacher to believing in God incarnate.

AI is no substitute for thinking. Any computer can only put out what was put in. By idiots.

As I said;

If any of the disciples thought or suspected that Jesus claimed to be God they would have stoned him themselves. As it turned out Judas, who was hoping for a violent revolutionary, betrayed Jesus because he thought the "love thy enemy" Jesus was a false prophet.

 

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AI is no substitute for thinking.

Feel free to fact check the scriptural references. The gospels make a concerted effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being. It's undeniable.