Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

[ding]

You do know conspiracies happen all the time and many are ongoing right now, don't you?

As if the Romans had no vested interest in conspiring with Paul to bury the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy upon which your Roman church sits like a dragon.

Have I told you how funny your belief is that Paul's letters prove that Paul was a shill for Rome, hated Jesus and was a guilt ridden self loathing masochistic homophobic misogynist?

 

[Quantrill]

Maybe you didn't notice but the Roman Church practices Mithraism, the only difference being it replaced Mithras with a supernatural reality defying mangod, a false counterfeit Jesus whose supernatural miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence and is in fact the Antichrist YOUR god, and Satans indelible signature remains like a giant black thumbprint on your fat chin.



You are full of shit. You have been swallowed by evil by believing the lie that you can eat God desecrate the WORDS of Jesus and not die the death for defying the law of my God.

This truth will remain burning within your mind like a consuming fire that will never go out.

Show the conspiracy. There are lots of similarities between various religions. All you're saying is that you see similarities. I am asking for you to prove the conspiracy that you claim. It must involve the entire Bible. Show who is behind the conspiracy and how they were able to pull it off over a period of 1500 years. In different countries and languages. Prove the conspiracy.

How about that rod of Aaron that destroyed your magicians rods. (Ex. 7:11-12). You perverted and lied about that Scripture because you lie about everything. You're a phony. A fake.

Answer my questions and prove the conspiracy. Who is your god? What is his name? Can he read and write? Has he written anything?

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[Quantrill]

Invent a god using the classic hero myth. Change the meaning of the Jewish bible by adding original sin and the fall of man. Invent hell to threaten obedience. Kill anyone like the Gnostics who didnt agree. Easy peasy. The rest is history
The Crusades Spanish Inquisition persecution of the Jews

Where is the conspiracy, the devious plan, O' defiled one.? (Lev. 19:31) You continue to make the accusations. I want to see proof of the plan, of the conspiracy.

Ask your medium, perhaps she can help, O' defiled one.

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[Quantrill]

So when Luke mentions a Roman census, that is an accurate, historical fact and not a theological embellishment to have Jesus born in Bethlehem and fulfill a prophesy?

There is no record of a single, simultaneous, empire-wide census that required every person in the Roman Empire to register at the same time.

However, the reality of Roman administration is a bit more nuanced. Here is how historians and archaeologists view the "census" in the context of Roman history:

1. Augustus and his "Three Censuses"​

The Emperor Augustus was indeed famous for his record-keeping. In his own autobiography, the Res Gestae, he boasts of conducting three major censuses:

• 28 BCE
• 8 BCE
• 14 CE

However, these were censuses of Roman citizens only, not the entire population of the empire. They were used to count the number of people with full legal rights (totaling about 4–5 million people) rather than every provincial subject.

2. Provincial Censuses (The "Patchwork" System)​

Rome did regularly count its provincial subjects (non-citizens) for the purpose of taxation, but these were regional, not universal.

When they happened: A census usually occurred when a territory was first annexed as a Roman province or when a new tax was being levied.

• When they happened: A census usually occurred when a territory was first annexed as a Roman province or when a new tax was being levied.
• The Judean Example: The most famous regional census in this area occurred in 6 CE, conducted by Quirinius when Judea became a direct Roman province. This is likely the event the Gospel of Luke is referencing, though it happened about 10 years after the death of Herod the Great.
• Ongoing Cycles: There is evidence from Roman Egypt that censuses were taken every 14 years. This suggests that while there wasn't one "Global Census Day," there was an empire-wide policy of regular, localized registrations.

3. The Logistical Reality​

Historians generally agree that a simultaneous empire-wide census would have been a logistical impossibility for the ancient world.

• Travel: Moving millions of people to their "ancestral homes" (as described in Luke) would have caused massive economic collapse, social chaos, and stopped the movement of food and military supplies.
• Roman Law: Typically, Rome required people to register where they lived or owned land, not where their ancestors were born 1,000 years prior. The goal was to tax current productivity, so having a farmer leave his crops to travel 90 miles away would have been counter-productive for the Roman tax collector.

Summary​

The phrase "all the world should be registered" (Luke 2:1) is often seen by historians as a literary or theological device. It highlights the significance of Jesus' birth on a global stage and explains his connection to the royal city of Bethlehem. Historically, it likely refers to the Augustan policy of systematic taxation that was rolling out across different provinces at different times.


I don't hate God, Christ, the Bible, or any Christian. Life is too short.

(Matt. 1:22) "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying...." It was not embellished or written to complete the fulfillment. It was written and then the event proved the prophesy.

Yes, (Luke 2:1-5) is not an embellishment. It is what happened. "And this taxing was 'first made' when Cyrenius was governor of Syria." It happened while Herod was still alive. If you want to believe your 'historians' go ahead. This is why you must use words such as 'likely' and 'generally agree', or 'often seen'.

The 'world' in (Luke 2:1) would be the Roman world over which Caesar had authority.

So you say.

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[Quantrill]

@Hafar 1014

Concerning post #(264)

I am not interested in any book of yours. I already told you, I read enough of your bullshit here.

If what you say is true, the truth is you are defiled. (Lev. 19:31) You need to throw that Pentateuch away that you claim is your Bible.

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[GLASNOST]

The Second Coming of Christ​

I don't care how many times Christ comes. The only one who matters is the Messiah. When he comes then I'll take notice.

 

[Quantrill]

I don't care how many times Christ comes. The only one who matters is the Messiah. When he comes then I'll take notice.

OK. Good to know.

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[GLASNOST]

The Second Coming of Christ​

I don't care how many times Christ comes. The only one who matters is the Messiah. When he comes then I'll take notice.

OK. Good to know. Quantrill

No problem. You're welcome.

 

[Quantrill]

continued from post #(190)

The Jews rejected their King, Jesus Christ. In so doing they rejected the Kingdom. In (Matt. 12) we see Jesus is no longer attempting to bring in the Kingdom. This is the line of demarcation. Jesus now rejects the Jews and will turn instead to the Gentiles.

The religious leaders now planned His death. (Matt. 12:14). But the people were amazed at His preaching and His works. "And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?" (Matt. 12:23) The miracles and preaching of Jesus was so powerful that the religious leaders could not deny it. And they could not stop the people from not believing it as they saw it with their own eyes, as did the religious leaders.

So what do the religious leaders do? They don't deny the power that Jesus has demonstrated. But they say that power is from Satan, Beelzebub, prince of the devils. (Matt. 12:24) To which Jesus rebukes them. (Matt. 12;25-30)

But, more than just rebuking them, He declares they have crossed the line. What line? That line for which there is no more forgiveness. In attributing the work of the Holy Ghost to Satan, they sinned a sin for which there is no forgiveness. What does that mean? It means judgement for that sin is coming and cannot be revoked. (Matt. 12:31-32)

After that rebuke, the religious leaders ask for a sign from Jesus. (Matt. 12:38) Jesus rebukes them again. No more signs will be given to the Jews. The only sign they have is that of Jonah. Just as Jonah took his preaching to the Gentiles, so now God has turned away from the Jews and to the Gentiles. (Matt. 12:39-41) And also, the queen of Sheba, a Gentile, was open to the Word of God when she came to hear Solomon. And Jesus is greater than Solomon. (Matt. 12:42).

And this is visibly played out when Jesus Mother and Brothers, who were outside, asked to see Him. One delivered that request to Jesus. to which He said, "Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?" (Matt. 12:46-48) And he pointed to His disciples and said, "Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matt. 12;49-50)

Jesus now rejects His fleshly ties to Israel. And nothing but the Cross is in front of Him. God now sets Israel aside. She crossed the line. Christ will suffer the death of the Cross, and then the Gospel will go to the Gentiles. And they will believe. This is what goes on from the First Coming of Christ to the Second Coming. God forms a new Body of believers called the Church. Not Israel. And Israel's temple will be destroyed, 70 A.D. Because God is no longer there. Instead a new temple is on the earth, the Body and Bride of Jesus Christ called the Church. This is where the Holy Ghost resides today.

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[GLASNOST]

The Jews rejected their King, Jesus Christ.

No, you have misunderstood. The Jews rejected the false king, Jesus Christ. Therefore, those who accepted him as king committed an offense against the First Commandment which states, "Thou shall have no other gods before Me".

 

[alang1216]

It takes a special level of ignorance to think you know this stuff better than me.

I'm just going by what you've written.

Your problem stems from the fact that you don't really believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. I already KNOW it is. So we really have NOTHING to discuss on this topic

You're right, we really have NOTHING to discuss on this topic, since you KNOW the truth, you can only preach, not listen.

 

[alang1216]

That's because that's your only choice. The 40 or so miracles and resurrection weren't embellished. They were literally the points of the accounts. Not the case for OT accounts.

So there were embellishments in the NT, just not the 40 or so miracles and resurrection?

 

[EMH]

There will be no second coming. Everyone with an IQ over 5 understands that.

The guy is dead. He was a human being, nothing more.

This issue isn't worth one cent of US taxdollars or one drop of American blood.

If you think it is, you aren't a patriotic American.

 

[Hafar1014]

Jesus did come back and was deported back to Mexico

 

[alang1216]

Given that Paul died for it I think it does.

You can believe it but you can't prove it.

 

[alang1216]

Paul didn't fly a plane into a tower because of hate. Paul suffered beatings, imprisonment and death for spreading love. In the future when you are wondering when it was that you lost your humanity you can point to your post here as that point.

You don't know what is in other people's hearts, you only think you do. Maybe the hijackers motives were the same as Paul's, a love of God?

 

[alang1216]

I guess you have no choice but to believe the accounts of miracles and resurrection are true then.

Depends on where the Holy Spirit comes from, from God or from you. I'll go with the later in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

 

[norwegen]

I don't care how many times Christ comes. The only one who matters is the Messiah. When he comes then I'll take notice.

Christ is Messiah.

Christos: Greek
Mashiach: Hebrew

They mean the same thing.

And according to the narrative, he came. No need to wait.

 

[hobelim]

Show the conspiracy. There are lots of similarities between various religions. All you're saying is that you see similarities. I am asking for you to prove the conspiracy that you claim. It must involve the entire Bible. Show who is behind the conspiracy and how they were able to pull it off over a period of 1500 years. In different countries and languages. Prove the conspiracy.

When Caesar conferred power and Authority to the papacy in 325ce and said under the sign of the cross, i will conquer the world. He was speaking about the Mithran cross.

Mithraism was the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military.

You might want to notice that many many thousands of people including Jesus were crucified on this cross. It is also seen on the Eucharist. The mithran cross of light.

Now you try to convince me that I don’t see what I see and don’t know what I know.

Good luck!

 

[hobelim]

How about that rod of Aaron that destroyed your magicians rods. (Ex. 7:11-12).

I tell you what. You splain to me how setting aside the law of my God as clearly stated in the Bible and turning into a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands for spiritual life is not idolatry, not to mention stupid, and how can you possible imagine that you are not already dead and under a curse for doing so (if you really believed in God) given you can't see the absurdity of where you stand, as a so called "believer" and I will answer this question.

Pinche payaso