Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

All you showed is the cult of mithras. Where is the conspiracy?
Maybe you didn't notice but the Roman Church practices Mithraism, the only difference being it replaced Mithras with a supernatural reality defying mangod, a false counterfeit Jesus whose supernatural miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence and is in fact the Antichrist YOUR god, and Satans indelible signature remains like a giant black thumbprint on your fat chin.


You're so screwed up.

Blind eyes? How about that rod of Aaron that ate up the Pharoah's magicians rods. (Ex. 7:11-12) Whose blind now? And full of shit.
You are full of shit. You have been swallowed by evil by believing the lie that you can eat God desecrate the WORDS of Jesus and not die the death for defying the law of my God.

This truth will remain burning within your mind like a consuming fire that will never go out.
 
Bullshit. Then prove the 'devious plan' defiled one.

Quantrill
Invent a god using the classic hero myth. Change the meaning of the Jewish bible by adding original sin and the fall of man. Invent hell to threaten obedience. Kill anyone like the Gnostics who didnt agree. Easy peasy. The rest is history
The Crusades Spanish Inquisition persecution of the Jews
 
There are no embellishments in (Matthew) or (Luke). Each had different purpose in writing his gospel. Just because one did not mention something the other did means nothing.
So when Luke mentions a Roman census, that is an accurate, historical fact and not a theological embellishment to have Jesus born in Bethlehem and fulfill a prophesy?

There is no record of a single, simultaneous, empire-wide census that required every person in the Roman Empire to register at the same time.

However, the reality of Roman administration is a bit more nuanced. Here is how historians and archaeologists view the "census" in the context of Roman history:

1. Augustus and his "Three Censuses"​

The Emperor Augustus was indeed famous for his record-keeping. In his own autobiography, the Res Gestae, he boasts of conducting three major censuses:
  • 28 BCE
  • 8 BCE
  • 14 CE
However, these were censuses of Roman citizens only, not the entire population of the empire. They were used to count the number of people with full legal rights (totaling about 4–5 million people) rather than every provincial subject.

2. Provincial Censuses (The "Patchwork" System)​

Rome did regularly count its provincial subjects (non-citizens) for the purpose of taxation, but these were regional, not universal.

When they happened:
A census usually occurred when a territory was first annexed as a Roman province or when a new tax was being levied.
  • When they happened: A census usually occurred when a territory was first annexed as a Roman province or when a new tax was being levied.
  • The Judean Example: The most famous regional census in this area occurred in 6 CE, conducted by Quirinius when Judea became a direct Roman province. This is likely the event the Gospel of Luke is referencing, though it happened about 10 years after the death of Herod the Great.
  • Ongoing Cycles: There is evidence from Roman Egypt that censuses were taken every 14 years. This suggests that while there wasn't one "Global Census Day," there was an empire-wide policy of regular, localized registrations.

3. The Logistical Reality​

Historians generally agree that a simultaneous empire-wide census would have been a logistical impossibility for the ancient world.
  • Travel: Moving millions of people to their "ancestral homes" (as described in Luke) would have caused massive economic collapse, social chaos, and stopped the movement of food and military supplies.
  • Roman Law: Typically, Rome required people to register where they lived or owned land, not where their ancestors were born 1,000 years prior. The goal was to tax current productivity, so having a farmer leave his crops to travel 90 miles away would have been counter-productive for the Roman tax collector.

Summary​

The phrase "all the world should be registered" (Luke 2:1) is often seen by historians as a literary or theological device. It highlights the significance of Jesus' birth on a global stage and explains his connection to the royal city of Bethlehem. Historically, it likely refers to the Augustan policy of systematic taxation that was rolling out across different provinces at different times.

You have proved nothing other than your hatred against God, Christ, the Bible and the Christian.

Quantrill
I don't hate God, Christ, the Bible, or any Christian. Life is too short.
 
Why do you go to mediums and spiritualists and claim the Pentateuch as your Bible when (Lev. 19:31) condemns such action? You are defiled by your own Bible. Just throw it away. You don't believe it.

Quantrill
The two mediums I went to were the real deal. I live under American civil law not 3000 year old Jewish Civil law.
The first lead me to my family. I never knew them and had no information at all. She lead me to them in 8 months by telling me facts about them that turned out to be true. Read my book its all there. Ill copy the chapter for you. Every word is truth and fact. So help me God
Week Five

Crossing over, here goes nothing


I can’t believe that I am doing this, but here I sit in the home of Carol London, a psychic reader. I have no idea of what to expect and I am determined to keep an open mind. Since I have so few facts and I am looking for some very specific information, it will be easy to determine if the session will be a success. It will either give me direction or it will not. It will either help or it will not help. My questions are concrete and categorical, where is the adoption agency, where is my birth family, what can you tell me about the events of my birth and adoption?

The session begins with Ms. London and I seated on her sofa, in her home in Elkins Park, PA. She asks me if she should withhold any information that might be upsetting to me, to which I reply, “No, I want to know everything.” I give her the only information I know, I was born in Jersey City, New Jersey on Jan 28, 1951 and Jewish Family and Children’s Service was the agency. Carol looks away

for a moment, as if to collect her thoughts, and then she speaks to me; “Your mother is thin, very thin, she has green eyes and dark hair. Her pregnancy is known to her family, you were 6 LBS at birth, your father was in the Army, traveled, and never knew you were born or that your mother was pregnant. I see a red cradle or rocking chair, and you should search in Cape May, New Jersey. Look for a place called Lutheran Ministries Adoption. In its name is a red cradle. You were not born in a hospital; you were born in a place with a red shield. I see the seashore and you have something to do with the ocean. You were wanted and loved by your birth family.” Ms. London also spoke of my adopted family and stated that my father had a terrible cough at his death. She then said he felt like he drowned when he died. That really got my attention because my father was on a breathing tube and he pulled it out of his throat causing a cough. He couldn’t speak to me in the last moments of his life because of that cough. He died of congestive heart failure, the equivalent of drowning, caused by fluid draining into the lungs, and only two people alive were aware of that; my wife and myself. I began to take Ms. London

seriously, but the information she gave me didn’t really make any sense. Red cradles and shields, Cape May, Lutheran Ministries; I was Jewish for heavens sake, where is all this coming from?

The next morning I sit once again at my computer, with new information that makes no sense whatsoever. It’s as if I was given a puzzle with the pieces scattered all around and little idea of what the picture should look like. The last thing Carol said was look for Lutheran Ministries Adoptions in Cape May, so that’s what I put into my search engine. As the screen began to form, I could see that the picture was mostly red; a representation of the state of New Jersey appeared. If you used your imagination, you could say that the state looks like a red cradle on its side or even a rocking chair. Encouraged, I contacted them and they said they would research it and that I should call them back. Three hours later I called them and the intake worker recognized me from my request. She told me that this agency didn’t handle my adoption. Failure once again, and, in all honesty, what could I really expect from a session with a psychic?

Like so many kind hearted people, the intake worker said, “Wait, don’t hang up, maybe I can help you. Tell me, where, were you were adopted?” I tell her what little I know, that I was born in Jersey City and raised in Trenton. She says, “When you were adopted fifty-two years ago, there were not many adoption agencies and only two that handled adoptions in the Trenton area. Since you were raised in Trenton, you should look there for the agency.” She gave me two phone numbers and said good luck. I called the first number and that was the Children’s Home Society of New Jersey. Once again the case worker said she would look in the records and call me back if she found anything. I felt it was time to stop and take a rest for awhile. I’m emotionally tired, and worn out, and I really don’t know what to do at this point anyway.

The phone rings and a caseworker named Marie is on the line. “Is this Bob?” she asks. I say, “Yes,” and she says, “I can help you.” I can’t speak. I’m not prepared to hear what I wanted so desperately to hear to hear, and she repeats her statement; “I can help you.” I am unable to speak and she says, “If you can

fax me some identification, I will mail you some
information.” Recovering my composure, I ask, “What time do you open tomorrow morning?” Now the journey begins.

It is 9:00 the next morning and accompanied by my wife, I am sitting in the office of Marie Braun at the Children’s Home Society of Trenton. I am five city blocks from my adopted father’s place of business, and five miles from the home where I was raised. After looking across three states for the agency, I find myself back home once again. Marie sits smiling at us from across her metal desk; in front of her sits a manila folder with the answers to the most important questions I have ever asked. I am tempted to grab the file and run out of the office, but the feeling dissolves as she begins to speak. She tells me that many of their adopted children return and I am not alone in my search. It is her job to bring me in and help me deal with the issues that I will be facing. She states that she can only give me non identifying information and then she reads to me from the folder. “Your mother had green eyes and dark brown hair, she was 5’4” tall and weighed 110 LBS, your father was in the army

and never knew you were born, you were 6LBS 11 OZS. Your mother didn’t want to give you up and her family considered adopting you themselves. After you were born, you lived in a foster home and your mother visited you often.” I was stunned; Carol London had spoken almost those very same words to me two days ago. Then I asked Marie about the red shield and where I was born. She showed me a symbol that I recognized immediately, the Salvation Army Shield. I was born at a Booth Home called the Door of Hope in Jersey City, New Jersey. That’s the red shield, the symbol of the Salvation Army.

When I found my mother she had died many years ago at 44.
 
But you think a man can come back from the dead thats sorcery and magic.
Not if you understood that the death he had risen from is the death consequent for failing to comply with Mosaic Law.

For instance, I once knew a guy who died in the very same day some devil convinced him that he was a worthless piece of shit, should beg God for forgiveness for being human, and had to accept the Antichrist as his god and savior in order to be saved.

Suddenly this great guy that everybody loved became a sanctimonious asshole. A few years later I asked him how eating god flesh and drinking Jesus juice was going and he told me he left that shit in the past. His sanity was restored. He was dead and then came back to life.

True story.


Maybe Jesus was a vampire
Its the "believers" who, like vampires, drink Jesus blood.

Jesus was eating good food and drinking good wine flipping off the man while partying with sinners and prostitutes and was always seen in bad company. At least thats what I heard.
 
You don't know about the road to Damascus?
The bullshit story about his conversion? Yeah right. I'm sure the disciples got a good chuckle watching Paul fumble around pretending to be blind for days and then pretending to be cured by Jesus knowing that Jesus healed a blindness of perception, not sight.
 
Not if you understood that the death he had risen from is the death consequent for failing to comply with Mosaic Law.

For instance, I once knew a guy who died in the very same day some devil convinced him that he was a worthless piece of shit, should beg God for forgiveness for being human, and had to accept the Antichrist as his god and savior in order to be saved.

Suddenly this great guy that everybody loved became a sanctimonious asshole. A few years later I asked him how eating god flesh and drinking Jesus juice was going and he told me he left that shit in the past. His sanity was restored. He was dead and then came back to life.

True story.



Its the "believers" who, like vampires, drink Jesus blood.

Jesus was eating good food and drinking good wine flipping off the man while partying with sinners and prostitutes and was always seen in bad company. At least thats what I heard.
Kosher food
 
You really know nothing.
You don't know about the road to Damascus?
Certainly one of us is only semi-literate.

Paul never met Jesus so everything he knew about him was second hand so he was less than credible. I guess you could use his encounter on the road to say he had first hand knowledge of Jesus but, however much he believed in it, I don't give it much high marks for credibility.
 
Certainly one of us is only semi-literate.
You're not dealing with the facts only insults and your opinion.

but, however much he believed in it, I don't give it much high marks for credibility.

Paul learned at the feet of the resurrected Christ. You can deny and disbelieve all you want but the facts don't change. He was accepted by the other apostles and they didn't deny him. Yet you feel fit to

The relationship between Peter and Paul in Christian tradition involves both conflict and mutual respect, notably Paul confronting Peter in Antioch over eating with Gentiles (Galatians 2) but Peter later calling Paul his "beloved brother" and referring to his letters as scripture in 2 Peter 3:15-16, acknowledging their divine wisdom. This shows early Christian leaders recognized Paul's writings as authoritative, even while acknowledging their complexity and the historical tensions between them, often depicted in art as united despite early disagreements.
 
Paul wasn't taught by Jesus during Jesus' earthly ministry; rather, Paul was taught by the resurrected Christ and spent about three years in preparation after his conversion (c. 33-36 AD), studying and receiving revelation for his apostolic mission, primarily in Arabia and Damascus, before meeting the other apostles in Jerusalem. This period of instruction, described in Galatians 1, was a direct revelation from Jesus, not in-person teaching.

Key Points on Paul's Training:
    • Conversion & Arabia:
      After encountering Jesus on the road to Damascus, Paul went into Arabia for roughly three years, a time of significant spiritual preparation and instruction from the risen Christ.
    • Direct Revelation:
      Paul emphasizes that he didn't learn the Gospel from men but received it directly through revelation from Jesus, distinguishing his experience from the original twelve apostles.
 
Like Paul, my understanding DID NOT come from men, or any church. The things I learned came directly from Christ. I fellowshipped with the church that I found most closely followed my own understanding. That's why my beliefs haven't wavered in 50 years
 
Paul learned at the feet of the resurrected Christ. You can deny and disbelieve all you want but the facts don't change.
That is not a fact, it is a statement of faith.

The relationship between Peter and Paul in Christian tradition involves both conflict and mutual respect, notably Paul confronting Peter in Antioch over eating with Gentiles (Galatians 2) but Peter later calling Paul his "beloved brother" and referring to his letters as scripture in 2 Peter 3:15-16, acknowledging their divine wisdom. This shows early Christian leaders recognized Paul's writings as authoritative, even while acknowledging their complexity and the historical tensions between them, often depicted in art as united despite early disagreements.
The truth is that the early church the writing of the NT is far more complicated than you seem to know. For example, 2 Peter.
The epistle is traditionally attributed to Peter the Apostle, but most critical scholars consider the epistle pseudepigraphical (i.e., authored by one or more of Peter's followers, using Peter as a pseudonym). Scholars estimate the date of authorship anywhere from AD 60 to 150. A lot changed in those early decades.
 
That is not a fact, it is a statement of faith
The fact that Paul existed is a statement of faith. Everything is. You know what you know because of what others have said.

I believe PETER over some illiterate nut on a message board who calls himself alang.

Peter has credibility you don't have
 
That is not a fact, it is a statement of faith.


The truth is that the early church the writing of the NT is far more complicated than you seem to know. For example, 2 Peter.
The epistle is traditionally attributed to Peter the Apostle, but most critical scholars consider the epistle pseudepigraphical (i.e., authored by one or more of Peter's followers, using Peter as a pseudonym). Scholars. estimate the date of authorship anywhere from AD 60 to 150. A lot changed in those early decades.
It takes a special level of ignorance to think you know this stuff better than me.

Your problem stems from the fact that you don't really believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. I already KNOW it is. So we really have NOTHING to discuss on this topic
 
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I think its funny you believe the conversion on the road to Damascus story. I'm sure the disciples got a good chuckle watching Paul fumble around pretending to be blind and then pretending to be cured by Jesus knowing that Jesus healed a blindness of perception, not sight.

What then?
Not as funny as you believing Paul's letters prove your batshit crazy conspiracy theory that Paul was a shill for Rome, hated Jesus and was a guilt ridden self loathing masochistic homophobic misogynist.
 
You're the one who cries 'conspiracy', I never used that term. As for embellishments, the OT and NT are filled with them, as you well know.
That's because that's your only choice. The 40 or so miracles and resurrection weren't embellished. They were literally the points of the accounts. Not the case for OT accounts.
 
Religious zeal. It can make people do surprising things, e.g., fly planes into buildings.
Paul didn't fly a plane into a tower because of hate. Paul suffered beatings, imprisonment and death for spreading love. In the future when you are wondering when it was that you lost your humanity you can point to your post here as that point.
 

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