Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

[hobelim]

I showed you what the Bible says. You don't show shit. Because you don't have shit. All you got is you. And, that aint shit.

I don't care for your 'condolences'. They are just more of your bullshit.

Answer my questions. Who is your god? What is his name? Can he write? Has he written anything? Is the Bible the only written Word of God? Is Jesus Christ the only Son of God and Saviour?

You see, as everyone else does, you're a fake. A phony. Full of shit.

Ahem. I am not the one peddling the bullshit that God became a perfect human sacrifice so that believers like you can remain assholes UNAWARE and sin with impunity for life as long as you set aside the Law of my God, worship a trinity, celebrate the death of Jesus, desecrate his teaching, and turn to a lifeless matzo MADE BY HUMAN HANDS that you in a degrading state of adoration worship and eat on your knees for spiritual life. Derp.

As if practicing idolatry by worshipping a froward 1st century Jewish man, and throwing Jesus under the bus, will save you from the penalty "the death", a curse, for practicing idolatry celebrating human sacrifice and committing murder religiously. How stupid is that?

But don't get me wrong. Its a beautifully crafted maudlin delusion. Who wouldn't love a God that shit his diapers on Christmas only to be crucified because he loved the world so much.

So I do acknowledge that you are having a very profound spiritual experience every time that you defy the law of my God at mass, dying every Sunday, never finding peace in death.

Its just not a very good one.

 

[Quantrill]

You're the one who cries 'conspiracy', I never used that term. As for embellishments, the OT and NT are filled with them, as you well know.

Then you admit there was no conspiracy. What 'embellishments? Please list and prove them.

OK, but that can neither be proved nor disproved.


Religious zeal. It can make people do surprising things, e.g., fly planes into buildings.

What is proved is that is the testimony of Scripture. Which we as believers, believe. You believe nothing but you.

Religious zeal can also be based on one's true experience like Paul had with the Resurrected Jesus Christ. Correct?

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[Quantrill]

Ahem. I am not the one peddling the bullshit that God became a perfect human sacrifice so that believers like you can remain assholes UNAWARE and sin with impunity for life as long as you set aside the Law of my God, worship a trinity, celebrate the death of Jesus, desecrate his teaching, and turn to a lifeless matzo MADE BY HUMAN HANDS, that you worship and eat on your knees for spiritual life. Derp.

As if practicing idolatry by worshipping a froward first century Jewish man will save you from the penalty "the death", a curse, for practicing idolatry. How stupid is that?

But don't get me wrong.

I do acknowledge that you are having a profound spiritual experience every time you defy the law of my God at mass, dying every Sunday, never finding peace in death. Its just not a very good one.

Ahem...hope you got a good toothpick to pick that shit out of your teeth.

Oh yes, that is the testimony of Scripture. God became a human sacrifice so that He could save His people. If that makes me an asshole because I am a believer, so be it.

Quit talking about your god, you are ashamed of your god as you refuse to give his name. You refuse to say where any can learn of him. You leech onto the Bible, yet deny the Bible. You can't answer questions about your god, because your god doesn't exist. He is a figment of your bullshit.

You have nothing. We who are Christian have the testimony of the Bible. Prove me wrong and answer my questions.

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[alang1216]

What 'embellishments? Please list and prove them.

Too many to list but the birth narratives in Matthew and Luke are theological embellishments, in part to show that Jesus fulfilled Jewish prophesy. They are not historical.

The perspective that the birth narratives in Matthew and Luke are primarily theological embellishments designed to show Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecy, rather than strict historical accounts, is a widely held view among many biblical scholars and historians [1].
Key arguments supporting this view include:

• Contradictions and Differences: There are significant differences between the two accounts. Matthew, for instance, mentions the star, the wise men, and the flight to Egypt, while Luke details the census, the journey to Bethlehem, the stable birth, and the angels appearing to the shepherds [1]. Harmonizing these narratives is difficult, leading many scholars to conclude they were written to serve different faith communities and theological purposes [1].
• Thematic Focus: Each Gospel emphasizes themes relevant to its intended audience.
  • Matthew aims to prove to a Jewish audience that Jesus is the Messiah, framing the narrative around Old Testament prophecies fulfilled through events like the virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14) and the Bethlehem birthplace (Micah 5:2) [1]. His genealogy connects Jesus to Abraham and David, emphasizing his royal Jewish lineage [1].
  • Luke is writing for a Gentile (non-Jewish) audience, emphasizing Jesus' humble origins, his inclusion of the marginalized (shepherds were on the lower end of the social scale), and his universal significance for all people [1].
• Stylized Language and Motifs: The narratives employ stylized language and motifs common in ancient literature used to denote a person's importance or divine calling, rather than providing journalistic precision [1]. The "census of Quirinius" in Luke's Gospel, for example, is difficult to date historically in a way that aligns with the rest of the narrative, suggesting its purpose may be theological (placing Jesus' birth in a significant time/place) rather than purely historical [1].

In essence, this academic perspective views the narratives as powerful faith statements intended to convey profound theological truths about Jesus' identity and mission, rather than verifiable historical records in the modern sense [1].

 

[Quantrill]

You do know conspiracies happen all the time and many are ongoing right now, don't you?

As if the Romans had no vested interest in conspiring with Paul to bury the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy upon which your Roman church sits like a dragon.

Then show the conspiracy. Just because you say there was one means nothing. Any conspiracy must go for the full 1400 t0 1500 years which it took in the making of the Bible.

It must cover different countries, and languages, and address complex subjects such as God, salvation, Israel, Gentiles, prophecy, the fulfillment of prophecy, the end times, and the finality of it all. So where is this so called conspiracy?

Are you saying the conspiracy over that length of time has remained a 'secret'? Are you saying there is no proof of this so-called conspiracy? Are you saying you believe in a conspiracy when you can't prove it?

So many questions. Please answer them.

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[Mr Natural]

God became a human sacrifice so that He could save His people. If that makes me an asshole because I am a believer, so be it.

And all the sinners got off Scot free.

Makes no sense at all.

 

[hobelim]

Then show the conspiracy. Just because you say there was one means nothing. Any conspiracy must go for the full 1400 t0 1500 years which it took in the making of the Bible.

It must cover different countries, and languages, and address complex subjects such as God, salvation, Israel, Gentiles, prophecy, the fulfillment of prophecy, the end times, and the finality of it all. So where is this so called conspiracy?

Are you saying the conspiracy over that length of time has remained a 'secret'? Are you saying there is no proof of this so-called conspiracy? Are you saying you believe in a conspiracy when you can't prove it?

So many questions. Please answer them.

I have spoken. If you don't like the truth then go see a priest and cry about it to them.

 

[hobelim]

Prove me wrong

Its already been done. You just don't realize it. Denial is your brains defense mechanism to avoid the complete destruction of your psyche because it can't handle my revelation; the truth. I hate to break the news to you but my words will never go away. They are lurking within your mind like Moses' staff that was turned into a serpent and was eaten by the Pharaohs magicians staff turned into a serpent that was burst wide open from within.

Have fun with that!

 

[Quantrill]

Too many to list but the birth narratives in Matthew and Luke are theological embellishments, in part to show that Jesus fulfilled Jewish prophesy. They are not historical.

The perspective that the birth narratives in Matthew and Luke are primarily theological embellishments designed to show Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecy, rather than strict historical accounts, is a widely held view among many biblical scholars and historians [1].
Key arguments supporting this view include:

• Contradictions and Differences: There are significant differences between the two accounts. Matthew, for instance, mentions the star, the wise men, and the flight to Egypt, while Luke details the census, the journey to Bethlehem, the stable birth, and the angels appearing to the shepherds [1]. Harmonizing these narratives is difficult, leading many scholars to conclude they were written to serve different faith communities and theological purposes [1].
• Thematic Focus:Each Gospel emphasizes themes relevant to its intended audience.
  • Matthew aims to prove to a Jewish audience that Jesus is the Messiah, framing the narrative around Old Testament prophecies fulfilled through events like the virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14) and the Bethlehem birthplace (Micah 5:2) [1]. His genealogy connects Jesus to Abraham and David, emphasizing his royal Jewish lineage [1].
  • Luke is writing for a Gentile (non-Jewish) audience, emphasizing Jesus' humble origins, his inclusion of the marginalized (shepherds were on the lower end of the social scale), and his universal significance for all people [1].
• Stylized Language and Motifs: The narratives employ stylized language and motifs common in ancient literature used to denote a person's importance or divine calling, rather than providing journalistic precision [1]. The "census of Quirinius" in Luke's Gospel, for example, is difficult to date historically in a way that aligns with the rest of the narrative, suggesting its purpose may be theological (placing Jesus' birth in a significant time/place) rather than purely historical [1].

In essence, this academic perspective views the narratives as powerful faith statements intended to convey profound theological truths about Jesus' identity and mission, rather than verifiable historical records in the modern sense [1].

All of the Bible is 'theological'. It is about God and Jesus Christ. That proves nothing.

When you say 'bible scholars and historians' that means nothing. You can find plenty of so-called bible scholars and historians who don't believe the Bible. Which is what you are doing.

There are no embellishments in (Matthew) or (Luke). Each had different purpose in writing his gospel. Just because one did not mention something the other did means nothing. Of course, hamonizing the Gospels is difficult because they were not meant to harmonize. The Gospels don't even give a history or biography of Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost is using each Gospel to make a certain point concerning Christ. And He, the Holy Ghost, uses various incidents in the life of Christ to make that point.

Yes, the thematic point changes as I have just said. Each has a different point to make. That is not embellishment.

The Bible is not to be interpreted allegorically or symbolically. If a simile is used, so be it. But just because a simile is sometimes used, doesn't mean the Bible is a simile. Your accusation of 'stylized language and motifs' is false.

What do we care about the 'academic perspective'. The academic perspective killed Jesus Christ.

You have proved nothing other than your hatred against God, Christ, the Bible and the Christian.

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[Quantrill]

And all the sinners got off Scot free.

Makes no sense at all.

Exactly right.

Then don't believe it.

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[Quantrill]

I have spoken. If you don't like the truth then go see a priest and cry about it to them.

Show the conspiracy. You have spoken but haven't said anything but shit. Answer the questions, phony. You are a fake.

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[hobelim]

Show the conspiracy.

OK.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (the root of the word magician) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

 

[Quantrill]

Its already been done. You just don't realize it. Denial is your brains defense mechanism to avoid the complete destruction of your psyche because it can't handle my revelation; the truth. I hate to break the news to you but my words will never go away. They are lurking within your mind like Moses' staff that was turned into a serpent and was eaten by the Pharaohs magicians staff turned into a serpent that was burst wide open from within.

Have fun with that!

No, it hasn't been done as you refuse to answer my questions.

You're so full of shit. (Ex. 7:11-12) "Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down ever man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods."

I am having fun with that. Your ignorance and lying make it quite easy.

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[Quantrill]

OK.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (the root of the word magician) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

You have displayed the cult of Mithraism. Where is the conspiracy? There are lots of cults. Where is the conspiracy?

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[Hafar1014]

No, it hasn't been done as you refuse to answer my questions.

You're so full of shit. (Ex. 7:11-12) "Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down ever man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods."

I am having fun with that. Your ignorance and lying make it quite easy.

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But you think a man can come back from the dead thats sorcery and magic. Why re you any different? Maybe Jesus was a vampire

 

[Hafar1014]

You have displayed the cult of Mithraism. Where is the conspiracy? There are lots of cults. Where is the conspiracy?

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A devious plan isnt a conspiracy

 

[hobelim]

Where is the conspiracy?

right in front of your blind eyes.

 

[Quantrill]

But you think a man can come back from the dead thats sorcery and magic. Why re you any different? Maybe Jesus was a vampire

Why do you go to mediums and spiritualists and claim the Pentateuch as your Bible when (Lev. 19:31) condemns such action? You are defiled by your own Bible. Just throw it away. You don't believe it.

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[Quantrill]

A devious plan isnt a conspiracy

Bullshit. Then prove the 'devious plan' defiled one.

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[Quantrill]

right in front of your blind eyes.

All you showed is the cult of mithras. Where is the conspiracy?

You're so screwed up.

Blind eyes? How about that rod of Aaron that ate up the Pharoah's magicians rods. (Ex. 7:11-12) Whose blind now? And full of shit?

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