The Palestine Solution

[P F Tinmore]

BTW you are fighting a losing battle. There is no way any neutral observer will blame colonization on the colonized. It is illogical.

There is no way any neutral observer could label the Jewish people colonizers of their own homeland.

The problem with your post is that virtually none of the colonizers have any ancestors from Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

It is the Zionists that believe that their child murdering is justified. They cannot fathom the thought that bombing a school filled with children or an apartment building housing women and children is a murderous act. .

On the contrary, it is the Gazans who believe placing weapons in schools and hospitals and mosques and in the proximity of innocents is an effective means of warfare -- that the consequence of dead children is not only justified, but leaves them blameless.

 

[Shusha]

BTW you are fighting a losing battle. There is no way any neutral observer will blame colonization on the colonized. It is illogical.

There is no way any neutral observer could label the Jewish people colonizers of their own homeland.

The problem with your post is that virtually none of the colonizers have any ancestors from Palestine.

ALL of the Jewish people originate from Israel and Judah. They all have ancestors from Israel and Judah. Otherwise they would not be JEWISH.

What are you proposing as a measure of who has ancestors from "Palestine"? And do you apply it universally?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The foundational problem is Zionist ideology. The violence won't stop until the Zionists accept that they colonized Palestine and evicted the native people and start negotiating terms.

False. The foundational problem is Islamist fascism.

Read the Hamas Charter for a look into the gaping maw of islamo-fascism.

OK, but the occupation started 40 years before there was a Hamas.

Who was Israel's boogyman before Hamas?

 

[aris2chat]

BTW you are fighting a losing battle. There is no way any neutral observer will blame colonization on the colonized. It is illogical.

There is no way any neutral observer could label the Jewish people colonizers of their own homeland.

The problem with your post is that virtually none of the colonizers have any ancestors from Palestine.

ALL of the Jewish people originate from Israel and Judah. They all have ancestors from Israel and Judah. Otherwise they would not be JEWISH.

What are you proposing as a measure of who has ancestors from "Palestine"? And do you apply it universally?

Now they can add the Irish to originating from the middle east. Must be the red hair

 

[montelatici]

BTW you are fighting a losing battle. There is no way any neutral observer will blame colonization on the colonized. It is illogical.

There is no way any neutral observer could label the Jewish people colonizers of their own homeland.

The problem with your post is that virtually none of the colonizers have any ancestors from Palestine.

ALL of the Jewish people originate from Israel and Judah. They all have ancestors from Israel and Judah. Otherwise they would not be JEWISH.

What are you proposing as a measure of who has ancestors from "Palestine"? And do you apply it universally?

Most of the European Jews have little or no connection with the Middle East or Palestine, no more than other Europeans, particularly southern Europeans. They were Europeans that converted to Judaism.

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts
Jon Entine | October 8, 2013 | Genetic Literacy Project

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

Anyone can become Jewish. An Eskimo with not a hint of an ancestor from Palestine can convert to Judaism and can immigrate to Palestine under the Jewish right of return.

 

[Shusha]

Most of the European Jews have little or no connection with the Middle East or Palestine, no more than other Europeans, particularly southern Europeans. They were Europeans that converted to Judaism.

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts
Jon Entine | October 8, 2013 | Genetic Literacy Project

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

The article in your link doesn't say what you claim it says. But to be clear about your point -- you believe that mitochondrial DNA should be the determining factor in self-determination of an ethnic or cultural group and that the right of return should be based on that?

As far as solutions, then, are you suggesting we do genetic testing on all the citizens of Israel and the disputed territories and only retain those with the "correct" DNA? What percentage of the "correct" mDNA would be suitable? Shall we also test all the Palestinian refugees before they can be re-settled? And eliminate all those with Egyptian, Saudi, Persian or whatever other DNA might have crept in? Shall we ignore paternal ancestry altogether?

 

[rhodescholar]

Now they can add the Irish to originating from the middle east. Must be the red hair

When will ***** like you stop complaining about jews?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Most of the European Jews have little or no connection with the Middle East or Palestine, no more than other Europeans, particularly southern Europeans. They were Europeans that converted to Judaism.

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts
Jon Entine | October 8, 2013 | Genetic Literacy Project

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

The article in your link doesn't say what you claim it says. But to be clear about your point -- you believe that mitochondrial DNA should be the determining factor in self-determination of an ethnic or cultural group and that the right of return should be based on that?

As far as solutions, then, are you suggesting we do genetic testing on all the citizens of Israel and the disputed territories and only retain those with the "correct" DNA? What percentage of the "correct" mDNA would be suitable? Shall we also test all the Palestinian refugees before they can be re-settled? And eliminate all those with Egyptian, Saudi, Persian or whatever other DNA might have crept in? Shall we ignore paternal ancestry altogether?

That is a crazy Idea. All of the Jews who were born there have the right to live there. Of course that applies to everyone else also.

 

[aris2chat]

Now they can add the Irish to originating from the middle east. Must be the red hair

When will ***** like you stop complaining about jews?

First the language was out of order.
How was referencing a news report of Irish origin complaining about jews?

 

[montelatici]

Most of the European Jews have little or no connection with the Middle East or Palestine, no more than other Europeans, particularly southern Europeans. They were Europeans that converted to Judaism.

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts
Jon Entine | October 8, 2013 | Genetic Literacy Project

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

The article in your link doesn't say what you claim it says. But to be clear about your point -- you believe that mitochondrial DNA should be the determining factor in self-determination of an ethnic or cultural group and that the right of return should be based on that?

As far as solutions, then, are you suggesting we do genetic testing on all the citizens of Israel and the disputed territories and only retain those with the "correct" DNA? What percentage of the "correct" mDNA would be suitable? Shall we also test all the Palestinian refugees before they can be re-settled? And eliminate all those with Egyptian, Saudi, Persian or whatever other DNA might have crept in? Shall we ignore paternal ancestry altogether?

The Zionists are the Europeans that invaded Palestine and dispossessed the natives that were living in Palestine based on their claim that they had more right to the land than the natives. The natives whose ancestors have been living there for thousands of years don't need to demonstrate anything. They are the natives, the Zionists came from elsewhere.

 

[Hollie]

Most of the European Jews have little or no connection with the Middle East or Palestine, no more than other Europeans, particularly southern Europeans. They were Europeans that converted to Judaism.

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts
Jon Entine | October 8, 2013 | Genetic Literacy Project

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

The article in your link doesn't say what you claim it says. But to be clear about your point -- you believe that mitochondrial DNA should be the determining factor in self-determination of an ethnic or cultural group and that the right of return should be based on that?

As far as solutions, then, are you suggesting we do genetic testing on all the citizens of Israel and the disputed territories and only retain those with the "correct" DNA? What percentage of the "correct" mDNA would be suitable? Shall we also test all the Palestinian refugees before they can be re-settled? And eliminate all those with Egyptian, Saudi, Persian or whatever other DNA might have crept in? Shall we ignore paternal ancestry altogether?

The Zionists are the Europeans that invaded Palestine and dispossessed the natives that were living in Palestine based on their claim that they had more right to the land than the natives. The natives whose ancestors have been living there for thousands of years don't need to demonstrate anything. They are the natives, the Zionists came from elsewhere.

That's really just an ignorant and desperate attempt to backtrack on your earlier cutting and pasting which clearly refutes your own feverish, chest-heaving rants about The Zionists™.

Since when were the Arab crusaders / colonists the native population?

 

[Shusha]

That is a crazy Idea. All of the Jews who were born there have the right to live there. Of course that applies to everyone else also.

So Abbas can't stay, then.

 

[Shusha]

The Zionists are the Europeans that invaded Palestine and dispossessed the natives that were living in Palestine based on their claim that they had more right to the land than the natives. The natives whose ancestors have been living there for thousands of years don't need to demonstrate anything. They are the natives, the Zionists came from elsewhere.

Okay. So only the Jewish people have to be tested to see if they have enough "correct" mDNA to remain in their homeland. Or are you saying that all Jewish people are automatically assumed not to have enough? The Palestinians are automatically assumed to have enough. You do know how racist that sounds, right?

And you also would be of the opinion that Palestinians who were dispossessed have no rights to the land, since that is your position on the Jewish people. Or are you admitting a racist opinion there as well?

 

[Shusha]

So, back to solutions....

Question for the group: Who should be citizens of the State of Israel and the new State of Palestine? What criteria would you use to determine who is eligible for citizenship? What should happen to those not eligible for citizenship of one country of the other?

 

[montelatici]

The Zionists are the Europeans that invaded Palestine and dispossessed the natives that were living in Palestine based on their claim that they had more right to the land than the natives. The natives whose ancestors have been living there for thousands of years don't need to demonstrate anything. They are the natives, the Zionists came from elsewhere.

Okay. So only the Jewish people have to be tested to see if they have enough "correct" mDNA to remain in their homeland. Or are you saying that all Jewish people are automatically assumed not to have enough? The Palestinians are automatically assumed to have enough. You do know how racist that sounds, right?

And you also would be of the opinion that Palestinians who were dispossessed have no rights to the land, since that is your position on the Jewish people. Or are you admitting a racist opinion there as well?

The Zionists came from Europe and were Europeans, Palestine is/was not their homeland. It is the homeland of the people that have lived there for thousands of years, not Europeans of a particular religion who decide to colonize the place.

Many Romanians claim that their homeland is in Italy and many may have some Roman heritage, it doesn't mean that the Italians should allow Romanians to constitute a Romanian colony in Italy, call it Rome and declare a state. And Romanians live on the same continent.

 

[Shusha]

The Zionists came from Europe and were Europeans, Palestine is/was not their homeland. It is the homeland of the people that have lived there for thousands of years, not Europeans of a particular religion who decide to colonize the place.

I obviously disagree with you. But...in terms of a solution to the current conflict -- what do you suggest with respect to citizenship?

 

[rhodescholar]

First the language was out of order.

Those who support the mass death of jews deserve far more than just harsh language.

How was referencing a news report of Irish origin complaining about jews?

Asshole, YOU said "Irish to originating from the middle east..." as if the jews are not indigenous to the region, which they most certainly are, you worthless fucking trash.

 

[aris2chat]

First the language was out of order.

Those who support the mass death of jews deserve far more than just harsh language.

How was referencing a news report of Irish origin complaining about jews?

Asshole, YOU said "Irish to originating from the middle east..." as if the jews are not indigenous to the region, which they most certainly are, you worthless fucking trash.

How does middle easterners settling in Ireland 5000 yrs ago support the mass death of jews? Before jumping to the conclusion there was any suggestion of insult to hate towards jews, you might have done your own search or asked for more information. To be more specific, the DNA origins are from the Caspian Steppe, basically north of today's Armenia and Georgia.

How does that in any way support harm to jews? Even if they had Phoenician DNA it would in no way support harm to jews.

You can shove your language an attitude where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[Indeependent]

First the language was out of order.

Those who support the mass death of jews deserve far more than just harsh language.

How was referencing a news report of Irish origin complaining about jews?

Asshole, YOU said "Irish to originating from the middle east..." as if the jews are not indigenous to the region, which they most certainly are, you worthless fucking trash.

You are misinterpreting aris2chat's sarcasm.