NYT's Kristof's off the rail, including that ridiculous 'tail tale'

[AnOrangeCat]

Apparently not. The Zionist News Network hasn’t told you.

Again, rushing to conspiracy land because you're ultimately just empty and sad, and can't stand being the dumbest person in the room.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

There aren’t fool.

Incorrect.

There are about the same number of Palestinians in Gaza today as there were on 10/6/23 and that is confirmed by the UN.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

If Israel has killed over 500,000 Palestinians as has been reported, do you still support it?

That's not what has been reported.

What's been reported is that 70,000 died, and at least half were Hamas.

That's not genocide. That's not a death sentence. That's all Palestinians' fault.

 

[Shusha]

Can you point to any other time in history where the country that was invaded provided aid and comfort to the country that invaded them during the middle of a war that second country started?

That has never happened before. Not in the history of the world. Yet it is expected of Israel when it isn't expected of say, Ukraine.

Agreed. But still noting that it is the responsibility of BOTH parties to a conflict to see to the safety of protected persons and non-combatants. It doesn't fall to one or the other. They each have responsibilities. Israel has upheld her responsibilities. Hamas has not.

 

[Shusha]

There aren’t fool.

If Israel has killed over 500,000 Palestinians as has been reported, do you still support it?

Israel hasn't. And the suggestion is as absurd as trained rape-dogs.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You don’t even know about the Nakba. You’re Zionist propagandist. STFU!

The Nakba is a lie. It didn't even originally refer to the displacement of Arabs. Originally, it referred to the Arabs losing a war to a bunch of Holocaust survivors they outnumbered 2:1.

The Nakba is a lie because Israel offered citizenship to Arabs and 150,000 accepted that citizenship and that's why there are 2 million Israeli Arabs today.

The myth of the Nakba makes it so that Palestinians never have to do the hard work of governing a democratic nation.

The real tragedy was the 900,000 Jews who were driven out of MENA countries. Israel took all of them in and made them citizens.

When India and Pakistan were partitioned at the same time, 15 million people were displaced. But India took in every single displaced Hindu and made them citizens and Pakistan took in every single displaced Muslim and made them citizens.

So how come Israel, India, and Pakistan can make citizens out of displaced people but Arabs cannot? What's the deal there?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Are you posting from Tel Aviv or Haifa?

I'm posting from your mom's house, so...upstairs.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Agreed. But still noting that it is the responsibility of BOTH parties to a conflict to see to the safety of protected persons and non-combatants. It doesn't fall to one or the other. They each have responsibilities. Israel has upheld her responsibilities. Hamas has not.

If Hamas didn't hide behind civilians, what do you think would be the most likely outcome?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Are you posting from Tel Aviv or Haifa?

You know how else you're exactly like MAGA? You laugh react comments and posts that aren't funny.

That's what they did to you for 10 years and it got under your thin skin so easily that you think you can use it successfully here.

They really did a number on you during the first Trump term, didn't they? You're copying everything they did to you because of how bad it made you feel. So you want to make people feel as bad as you did, and that's a personality disorder.

 

[Shusha]

If Hamas didn't hide behind civilians, what do you think would be the most likely outcome?

I'm not sure about the scope of what you are asking. Its complicated.

Hamas should not have placed military objectives in protected places. That is a war crime.

Egypt should not have closed her borders and prevented protected persons and non-combatants to flee. That is a violation of Egypt's treaty obligations.

Israel must adhere to the principles of distinction and proportionality. Which she did, by all reasonable accounts that don't make up silly numbers and rape-dogs.

But "what would have happened" is a whole other question depending on where you want to start and what variables you include. Let's just use one. What if ... Hamas had used the tunnels as bomb shelters to protect her civilians? At the very least, the family members of the Hamas military leaders would all still be alive, if not thousands of other civilians.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I'm not sure about the scope of what you are asking. Its complicated.

Is it, though? If Hamas wore uniforms and didn't hide behind civilians, would they ultimately be defeated?

If so, then it's a deliberate choice to use human shields to protect themselves.

That's not legit, ever.

 

[Shusha]

Is it, though? If Hamas wore uniforms and didn't hide behind civilians, would they ultimately be defeated?

If so, then it's a deliberate choice to use human shields to protect themselves.

That's not legit, ever.

Hi! Nice to meet you. I'm Shusha. I always complicate things.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

But "what would have happened" is a whole other question depending on where you want to start and what variables you include. Let's just use one. What if ... Hamas had used the tunnels as bomb shelters to protect her civilians? At the very least, the family members of the Hamas military leaders would all still be alive, if not thousands of other civilians.

I think the most likely outcome would be minimal civilian deaths and Hamas defeated and destroyed, never able to reconstitute or gain control.

I think every single civilian death in Gaza is Hamas' responsibility. They're choosing to wage a propaganda war by maximizing civilian deaths.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Hi! Nice to meet you. I'm Shusha. I always complicate things.

LOL Fair enough!

 

[Shusha]

Is it, though? If Hamas wore uniforms and didn't hide behind civilians, would they ultimately be defeated?

If so, then it's a deliberate choice to use human shields to protect themselves.

That's not legit, ever.

Of course its not legit. War crimes.

They are absolutely using these war crimes as a strategy (for multiple reasons). And, of course, they could never defeat Israel in a conventional war (what even IS that anymore?) They had to fight a non-conventional war.

 

[Shusha]

LOL Fair enough!

And I'll tell you the reason. I am DESPERATE to have the kind of intelligent, nuanced, detailed, and evidence-based conversation about this complicated subject, rather than being stuck in the swamp this board has become with increasingly bizarre claims, back-and-forth about dicks, Holocaust denial, and the baby-killer throwaway line when one doesn't have any argument.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

And I'll tell you the reason. I am DESPERATE to have the kind of intelligent, nuanced, detailed, and evidence-based conversation about this complicated subject, rather than being stuck in the swamp this board has become with increasingly bizarre claims, back-and-forth about dicks, Holocaust denial, and the baby-killer throwaway line when one doesn't have any argument.

Welcome to the internet! It's all trash, porn, and cat videos.

The baby-killer stuff comes right out of the anti-abortion playbook. By eliminating protections for synagogues in NYC, Mamdani created a Westboro Baptist Church situation where you have insane, depraved lunatics screaming "baby killer" at Jews going in and out of temple just like how you have insane, depraved lunatics screaming "baby killer" at women going in and out of Planned Parenthood.

Everything the anti-Zionists do is copied from someone else. Nothing original about it at all. Just hackneyed BS.