Zone1 The original lie in the Garden of Eden



The original lie is that God wanted to keep Adam and Eve "down" by stopping them from eating of the fruit of knowledge.

Interesting perspective and something I can't really argue against.

Duly noted that he, one of the best word mongers and twisters of all, could not and did not answer the question. I made a video of this myself and will see if I can load it here since it is not on YouTube but one I sent only to a select few. Edit: I can only load the audio. The video is better, but this is all I can load here.
 
Why in THE WORLD would be woman be compared to a "beast of the field"? That's a terrible interpretation and against the very heart of Genesis.

I'm sorry you hate women, that appears to be a you problem.
The 'serpent' was dwelling in Eve's mind (rent free) and was more subtle (cunning) than any beast of the field. It was not 'another' beast of the field. Was Peter actually Satan when Jesus addressed him as such? When God told the serpent that it would eat dirt and go on its belly he was talking to Eve, as Eve was channeling the serpent.
 
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The 'serpent' was dwelling in Eve's mind (rent free) and was more subtle (cunning) than any beast of the field. It was not 'another' beast of the field. Was Peter actually Satan when Jesus addressed him as such? When God told the serpent that it would eat dirt and go on its belly he was talking to Eve.

This is unhinged. It's blatantly false and wrong. GET THEE TO A CHURCH
 
The serpent was not a snake. But it was a "beast of the field"

GET TO CHURCH this is ridiculous. Put yourself under a good teacher.
It doesn't say that the serpent was more subtle than the other beasts of the field. Just that it was more subtle than the beasts of the field.

Bounce that off your pastor.
 
The serpent was not a snake. But it was a "beast of the field"
The serpent was a powerful, malignant spirit being, that had possessed Eve.

"Satan is its name and destruction is its game."
 


The original lie is that God wanted to keep Adam and Eve "down" by stopping them from eating of the fruit of knowledge.

Interesting perspective and something I can't really argue against.

No. The original lie is claiming there is proof of a god.
 
The original lie is claiming there is proof of a god.
The creation is proof of God.
Evolution disproves the Bible which subsequently proves the Bible is a hoax. Therefore Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are FALSE because they are based upon the false Bible. Beyond that is proof that any God based upon the false Bible PROVES those Gods do not exist.
The destruction of the creation is proof of the Devil.
The Devil is just a derivative of a God. Consequently, it is clear that the Devil does not exist either and is proved to be FALSE.
 


The original lie is that God wanted to keep Adam and Eve "down" by stopping them from eating of the fruit of knowledge.

Interesting perspective and something I can't really argue against.

I have enough knowledge to realize he dodged the question.
 
The destruction of the creation is proof of the Devil.

that is the desert dwellers and their false religions - false commandments. proof they are phony.


the sabbath is heavens creation, life to be kept holy ... desert dwellers made it into a holiday for themselves as a commandment.
 
This is unhinged. It's blatantly false and wrong. GET THEE TO A CHU

Evolution disproves the Bible which subsequently proves the Bible is a hoax. Therefore Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are FALSE because they are based upon the false Bible. Beyond that is proof that any God based upon the false Bible PROVES those Gods do not exist.

The Devil is
just a derivative of a God. Consequently, it is clear that the Devil does not exist either and is proved to be FALSE.
The ToE is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity by the devil. It's a big piece of intellectualized shit that has been flung at the wall and sadly has stuck.

Either the devil is real, or mankind is just plain evil without an outside force influencing us.
 
that is the desert dwellers and their false religions - false commandments. proof they are phony.


the sabbath is heavens creation, life to be kept holy ... desert dwellers made it into a holiday for themselves as a commandment.
Jesus clarified that. "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." You must be thinking of the Jews.

That said the Sabbath has prevented many men from working themselves to death (even though they kept it on Sunday they did get needed rest).
 
The ToE is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity by the devil. It's a big piece of intellectualized shit that has been flung at the wall and sadly has stuck.

Either the devil is real, or mankind is just plain evil without an outside force influencing us.
I don't know what a ToE is but whatever it is it probably makes as much sense as your belief in something that doesn't exist. Why not believe that millions of years ago lamp posts and knotted fences battled for the supremacy of all the heavens and they both lost to prehistoric bunny rabbits who in turn ate the dinosaurs and the rest is well ..... history. Proof of it is in dandelions with odd-numbered petals. There can be no other explanation. :dunno:
 
I don't know what a ToE is but whatever it is it probably makes as much sense as your belief in something that doesn't exist. Why not believe that millions of years ago lamp posts and knotted fences battled for the supremacy of all the heavens and they both lost to prehistoric bunny rabbits who in turn ate the dinosaurs and the rest is well ..... history. Proof of it is in dandelions with odd-numbered petals. There can be no other explanation. :dunno:
ToE: Theory of Evolution
 
God knows the end from the beginning. In understanding the things of the Garden of Eden you must understand this principle. Before ever the earth was created, God knew that Adam and Eve would partake of the forbidden fruit and fall. This is why God called and ordained Jesus Christ from before the foundation of the world to be the Savior. God knew and expected mankind to fall. This why he placed Satan and his minions on the earth and why he planted the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden and gave a commandment not to partake of it. He already knew that Satan would tempt Eve through the serpent and that she would succumb to the temptation. It was all part of God's plan and this is why he called a Savior before the foundation of the earth. Eve was tempted by Satan through the mouth of the serpent with the idea of becoming like God which was true. But the lie that Satan told was that she would not die.

Genesis 3:1-6
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

If we read a little further down this chapter we understand that verse 5 above was true and that man, by going through the fall, came to be more like God.

Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

So the lie that Satan told was that Eve would not die. At the time of the fall, Adam and Eve experienced a spiritual death and then later we know that Adam died when he was 930 years old (see Gen. 5:5). From the time of the fall forward, all mankind who are born in this world will die unless God has a different plan for that person.
 
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Jesus clarified that. "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." You must be thinking of the Jews.

That said the Sabbath has prevented many men from working themselves to death (even though they kept it on Sunday they did get needed rest).

jesus never claimed life or anything belonged only to humanity much less from the heavens -

any more than nutz claiming a day off work is a commandment, desert dwellers to afraid of their own clergy to just take the day off without insulting the heavens - jesus was not, new the truth and worked as they pleased.
 
mr nutz----try to fall off the wagon
Actually, drinking a Coors Banquet stubby as we speak. :)

Research what I've said. Your Rabbi studied Hebrew. Maybe he'll explain to you. ;)
 
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