Zone1 Did Satan tell Eve the truth: "You shall NOT surely die?"

[Hafar1014]

lol more like Jews and Muslims created 2000 years of violence against Jews and Muslims.

Thats today in fact crazy Islam is at war with humanity. Look up the Crusades learn some history. The Spanish Inquisition could help you understand too.

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no Satan in Genesis its a serpent the metaphor for guile and the only animal with the power of speech from Hebrew folklore. Jews wo wrote Genesis cant believe in a devil or Satan

Moses was a Levite, not a Jew. The scribes who did the actual writing were likely Levites as well. Lucifer/Satan was likened to a snake, not an actual snake. How it manifested itself to Eve is unknown.

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no Satan in Genesis Jews cant have a devil and Jews wrote Genesis.

Again, Moses was a Levite. Jews had no hand in recording the inspired words of God.

 

[Hafar1014]

Again, Moses was a Levite. Jews had no hand in recording the inspired words of God.

Genesis was written by Jews who used their beliefs. No Satan or hell or original sin exists. Those are Christian creations needed to create the Jesus myth.

 

[Woodznutz]

God said that death would come from eating the fruit.
Satan said not so fast.
Both were correct.
Satan knew that forgiveness was possible for man through substitutionary death.
This death was shown to Adam and Eve through the animal sacrifice that God made on their behalf. However, A and E did eventually die physically. It is certain that they will have eternal life however.

 

[jacksonlamb]

No one knows, Dennis.

If there is, we will find out. If there is not, we will never know.

 

[Woodznutz]

Genesis was written by Jews who used their beliefs. No Satan or hell or original sin exists. Those are Christian creations needed to create the Jesus myth.

One of the biggest errors even many Christians still believe is that all Israelites are/were Jews. The 'Jewifying' of Israel is the biggest hoodwinking in the history of revisionism.

 

[Hafar1014]

God said that death would come from eating the fruit.
Satan said not so fast.
Both were correct.
Satan knew that forgiveness was possible for man through substitutionary death.
This death was shown to Adam and Eve through the animal sacrifice that God made on their behalf. However, A and E did eventually die physically. It is certain that they will have eternal life however.

They didnt die did they. That was a ploy by God a test of free will. Then after they ate the fruiy God said what hast thou done? He know. He is giving Adam a chance to repent to confirm he did learn right from wrong. Thats the test the trial. Adam was ment to eat the fruit all along. That cant be a sin since he is doing what god wants.
There is no hell devil or original sin. Those are Christian inventions to create new religion based on threats and punsihment.

 

[Hafar1014]

One of the biggest errors even many Christians still believe is that all Israelites are/were Jews. The 'Jewifying' of Israel is the biggest hoodwinking in the history of Christianity.

You post gets that award

 

[Woodznutz]

They didnt die did they. That was a ploy by God a test of free will. Then after they ate the fruiy God said what hast thou done? He know. He is giving Adam a chance to repent to confirm he did learn right from wrong. Thats the test the trial. Adam was ment to eat the fruit all along. That cant be a sin since he is doing what god wants.
There is no hell devil or original sin. Those are Christian inventions to create new religion based on threats and punsihment.

"Hell" is simply death, not eternal life in torment.

 

[Woodznutz]

You post gets that award

Using your Bible show me that Moses was a Jew. Oh wait! You don't believe your own bible.

 

[Woodznutz]

Genesis was written by Jews who used their beliefs. No Satan or hell or original sin exists. Those are Christian creations needed to create the Jesus myth.

Judaism is the master of religious myths (although some aboriginal tribes could give you a run for the money).

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Thats today in fact crazy Islam is at war with humanity. Look up the Crusades learn some history. The Spanish Inquisition could help you understand too.

I already know all there is to know about the Crusades, the Inquisition, and Islam's wars. Maybe you need to go study them yourself. Jews aren't exempt from criticism because Islam did some stuff too. The Babylonian Jews started a permanent war against other Jews, and continued it for 1,800 years in the case of the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox. Just because they lost a lot of them doesn't endow them with innocence and everybody else with guilt. Many of their problems have been self-inflicted. The Babylonian Jews' descendants were Islam's allies more often than not.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

One of the biggest errors even many Christians still believe is that all Israelites are/were Jews. The 'Jewifying' of Israel is the biggest hoodwinking in the history of revisionism.

What?

Using your Bible show me that Moses was a Jew. Oh wait! You don't believe your own bible.

So what was he? Irish?

The Mad Revisionist - The Irish Potato Hoax

[In our next installment: Bronfmans and Kennedys, Rothschilds and Guinnesses (oh my!): The ZOG-HOG Connection]

* NOTE: It is actually erroneous to refer to the Irish as Celts, though we do so because our readers may not be aware of the distinction. Although the Irish may have some Celtic blood in them, their island was beset by the same waves of invasion as England was. Therefore, they are just as much Saxon, Viking, or Normand as they are Celt. Consequently, their claim on Northern Ireland is as ludicrous as Norway or Normandy laying claim to it. However, it is also a fact, suppressed from our schools and from the controlled media, that the Celts migrated from as far as Eastern Europe, and possibly into the steppes of Russia. Therefore, there can be no more doubt: revisionist research has proved conclusively that the true Celts are in fact EAST EUROPEAN JEWS!

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Moses was a Levite, not a Jew. The scribes who did the actual writing were likely Levites as well. Lucifer/Satan was likened to a snake, not an actual snake. How it manifested itself to Eve is unknown.

I agree that before Ezra and the Babylonians tried to turn the Hebrew religion into a self-serving racist cult and set themselves up as 'the Real Jews' it was a more open tribal federation, but yes, they were Jewish culturally and linguistically.

 

[Woodznutz]

I agree that before Ezra and the Babylonians tried to turn the Hebrew religion into a self-serving racist cult and set themselves up as 'the Real Jews' it was a more open tribal federation, but yes, they were Jewish culturally and linguistically.

All of Israel shared the same general culture which was largely based in the 'Hebrew' religion up until the split in the days of Jeroboam and Rehoboam. Even after the return from Babylonian captivity daily life was still governed by the same laws that had governed all Israel. What became "Jewish" was the interpretation of the Law, which was appropriated from the Levites and corrupted by the Jewish leaders.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Even after the return from Babylonian captivity daily life was still governed by the same laws that had governed all Israel.

Not really. In the 500 years or so before the Christian era there were several changes and mutations, civil wars, followed by a Greek 'renaissance' type social revolution and finally a Roman occupation. Pharisaic 'Judaism' didn't win out over several other factions until the failed Revolt around 65-70 A.D., and after the Bar Kokhba Revolt and the attempts to murder all the Samaritans, 'Galileans' AKA Christians, and Romans, they finally invented 'Rabbinical Judaism' and formalized the 'Oral Torah' as their gimmick. That's the short answer, without writing an entire book on some 600 years of Jewish and ME history. Jews remained a distinct culture, even if most were non-religious.