Zone1 The Four Ways of “Knowing” (From a Christian standpoint)

[buttercup]

I would lump 3 and 4 together. To me that's the Holy Spirit.

Fair enough. The reason I separated the two is because all people, regardless of their faith or lack thereof, have a conscience and intuition...which is from God. However I think that's different than divine revelation that is life-changing. For example, when an atheist or agnostic is about to come to Christ, often there is a specific event of God opening that person's eyes, and that's when they go from unbelief to belief...and that would be an example of a revelation, not mere intuition.

Also, I know this is controversial but in my view God still 'speaks' to His people in different ways, and that can be something specific for that person (as opposed to general revelation.) Some people call that a 'rhema word.' I just call it getting a word from God, or a revelation. So that's why I see a difference between numbers 3 and 4. But I do see how some people would combine those last two.

 

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...all people, regardless of their faith or lack thereof, have a conscience and intuition...which is from God.

I agree.

I know this is controversial but in my view God still 'speaks' to His people in different ways

I don't believe it's controversial at all.

 

[Quantrill]

I'm almost positive I had that book (The Heavenly Man) a long time ago, but maybe I didn't read it, because I can't remember the details...even though I know it's a really good book. Thanks for reminding me about it! I really should buy a bunch of those books that I used to have. Getting used copies shouldn't be too expensive.

Another amazing story is 'The Torn Veil.' It's a true story about a woman from a Muslim country, who was disabled as a child because of a disease. She became a Christian because after years of praying to Allah nothing happened, but she tried praying to Jesus and she was miraculously healed. Then they wanted to kill her for converting to Christianity. Anyway, I won't give away the whole story, but that's another great read.

There are so many truly amazing stories of Christian martyrs around the world. The book 'Jesus Freaks' is all about Christian martyrs throughout history, if anyone wants to read the phenomenal stories. It's similar to Foxe's Book of Martyrs. But anyway, I'm getting off topic on my own thread, lol.

I understand...I rebuy books all the time as I give mine away to various people. Then later I need them and have to buy them again. It's a price we pay.

I haven't heard of that book, 'The Torn Veil', but I assure you I will look it up and obtain it. Look forward to reading it. So strange isn't it. God healed her and so Allah wants to kill her. Reminds me of Lazurus when Christ raised him from the dead. (John 12:9-11) Christ raised him, so the Pharisees wanted to kill him. His life was a testimony that his God was God. That he lived was itself a testimony.

I remember those 'Jesus Freaks' years ago, 60's and 70's. Bless their heart, they were coming out of a sex, and drug culture and found Jesus Christ. Their heart was right and they helped institute that great revival in those days.

God can and will reach his people no matter where He has placed them. A certain Bible teacher, who had been a missionary, once told us of a tribe somewhere in some dark pagan country, that he went to. The chief of that tribe agreed to let the missionaries speak with a translator one night as they sat around a campfire. The chief had many wife's. But his main wife was sitting next to him.

The missionary spoke of Christ and how He paid for our sins. And while he was speaking the chief's main wife kept elbowing him in the ribs and was saying something to him. The missionary finally asked the translator, what is she saying to the chief. And he said, she is saying 'see there, I told you there was a God like that'. Point being...how did she know that. Only God.

And that missionary was quick to tell us, if no other person in that tribe was saved, we were sent to get the message to that child of God.

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[BreezeWood]

because all people, regardless of their faith or lack thereof, have a conscience and intuition...which is from God.

For example, when an atheist or agnostic is about to come to Christ ...

which form, conscience and intuition specifically is from the heavens ... and necessary for spiritual admission.

typical desert religion contradictions and especially christianity where even their monarchical religion attributes their multiple divinity to that of the other two religions despotic single divinity - of which choice within the three is itself contradictory.

contrary to what jesus taught during the 1st century events where monotheism is correctly defined as all in the heavens are equal and collectively manage the universe.

 

[Quantrill]

which form, conscience and intuition specifically is from the heavens ... and necessary for spiritual admission.

typical desert religion contradictions and especially christianity where even their monarchical religion attributes their multiple divinity to that of the other two religions despotic single divinity - of which choice within the three is itself contradictory.

contrary to what jesus taught during the 1st century events where monotheism is correctly defined as all in the heavens are equal and collectively manage the universe.

That which is written in the Bible, the Word of God.

No contradiction.

Show the contradiction.

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[BreezeWood]

That which is written in the Bible, the Word of God.

No contradiction.

Show the contradiction.

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and especially christianity where even their monarchical religion attributes their multiple divinity to that of the other two religions despotic single divinity ...

- contrary to what jesus taught during the 1st century events where monotheism is correctly defined as all in the heavens are equal and collectively manage the universe.

 

[Quantrill]

- contrary to what jesus taught during the 1st century events where monotheism is correctly defined as all in the heavens are equal and collectively manage the universe.

Show where Jesus taught what you say? Please don't manipulate, forge, my posts again to make them say what you want to.

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[BreezeWood]

Show where Jesus taught what you say? Please don't manipulate, forge, my posts again to make them say what you want to.

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you did not use the c word ... sorry blasphemy is difficult to leave undone, you have my condolence.

- provide in jesus's own hand their claim to be a jew messiah.

... the spoken journals of the 1st century.

 

[Quantrill]

you did not use the c word ... sorry blasphemy is difficult to leave undone, you have my condolence.

- provide in jesus's own hand their claim to be a jew messiah.

... the spoken journals of the 1st century.

Show the contradiction. You made the accusation. Back it up.

Atheist's are such liars and cowards. You have little to say, and the little you say you can't support.

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