Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

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Am I splitting hair, or reading God's word?

Splitting hairs.

Bigger fonts don't contradict the OP.

But logic does. She was given a punishment in verse 16 just as the serpent was given a punishment in verse 15 just as Adam was given a punishment in verses 17-19. One of which was that her husband would rule over her. The Lord God made her garments before kicking her out just like he made garments for her husband before kicking him out. Why would he make garments for both of them if Eve had a choice to stay? How could her husband rule over her if she was given a choice to stay? The OP has more holes than a sieve.

 

[rylah]

Splitting hairs.

But logic does. She was given a punishment in verse 16 just as the serpent was given a punishment in verse 15 just as Adam was given a punishment in verses 17-19. One of which was that her husband would rule over her. The Lord God made her garments before kicking her out just like he made garments for her husband before kicking him out. Why would he make garments for both of them if Eve had a choice to stay? How could her husband rule over her if she was given a choice to stay? The OP has more holes than a sieve.

Logic says,

when someone tries to change God's word so dogmatically,
it is because His judgement of the 6th day doesn't fit their religion.

 

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Logic says,

when someone tries to change God's word so dogmatically,
it is because His judgement of the 6th day doesn't fit their religion.

Good thing I provided my logic then.

She was given a punishment in verse 16 just as the serpent was given a punishment in verse 15 just as Adam was given a punishment in verses 17-19. One of which was that her husband would rule over her. The Lord God made her garments before kicking her out just like he made garments for her husband before kicking him out. Why would he make garments for both of them if Eve had a choice to stay? How could her husband rule over her if she was given a choice to stay? The OP has more holes than a sieve.

 

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it is because His judgement of the 6th day doesn't fit their religion.

No idea what you are trying to say here.

My religion is pretty simple. Love God with all my heart not because of what he can do for me but because of who He is. Do you have a problem with that?

 

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when someone tries to change God's word so dogmatically,
it is because His judgement of the 6th day doesn't fit their religion.

Then you should stop doing that.

 

[rylah]

Good thing I provided my logic then.

She was given a punishment in verse 16 just as the serpent was given a punishment in verse 15 just as Adam was given a punishment in verses 17-19. One of which was that her husband would rule over her. The Lord God made her garments before kicking her out just like he made garments for her husband before kicking him out. Why would he make garments for both of them if Eve had a choice to stay? How could her husband rule over her if she was given a choice to stay? The OP has more holes than a sieve.

Why do you want Eve punished,

when God doesn't?

 

[rylah]

Then you should stop doing that.

What, challenging dogma,

or asking questions?

 

[ding]

Why do you want Eve punished,

Who said I did?

when God doesn't?

You do realize this is an allegorical account, right? This story was literally made up by men seeking God.

 

[ding]

What, challenging dogma,

or asking questions?

Changing the account to suit your purpose.

 

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It is widely understood in theological tradition—that Eve was banished from the Garden of Eden along with Adam. While Genesis 3:23-24 specifically mentions God banishing "him" (Adam), the context indicates both were sent out to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life.

Key details regarding Eve's banishment:

• Shared Consequences: Both Adam and Eve experienced the consequences of their disobedience, including losing access to the Garden and suffering the hardships of life outside it.
• Contextual Interpretation: While the text often highlights Adam as the head of humanity, the banishment applies to both (e.g., Genesis 3:23-24), often interpreted as a collective departure.
• Preventative Measure: The banishment was designed to prevent humanity (both Adam and Eve) from living forever in a fallen state.
• Clothing/Preparation: Before they were driven out, God made clothes for both of them, indicating they were leaving together.

Therefore, even if the phrasing "drove him out" focuses on Adam as the representative figure, it is universally accepted that Eve was part of this expulsion from Eden.

 

[rylah]

Changing the account to suit your purpose.

Who's account?

I think when learning a text,
you should read the words critically,
instead of from a position of theological defense.

 

[rylah]

It is widely understood in theological tradition—that Eve was banished from the Garden of Eden along with Adam. While Genesis 3:23-24 specifically mentions God banishing "him" (Adam), the context indicates both were sent out to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life.

Key details regarding Eve's banishment:

• Shared Consequences: Both Adam and Eve experienced the consequences of their disobedience, including losing access to the Garden and suffering the hardships of life outside it.
• Contextual Interpretation: While the text often highlights Adam as the head of humanity, the banishment applies to both (e.g., Genesis 3:23-24), often interpreted as a collective departure.
• Preventative Measure: The banishment was designed to prevent humanity (both Adam and Eve) from living forever in a fallen state.
• Clothing/Preparation: Before they were driven out, God made clothes for both of them, indicating they were leaving together.

Therefore, even if the phrasing "drove him out" focuses on Adam as the representative figure, it is universally accepted that Eve was part of this expulsion from Eden.

Any verse saying Eve was expelled?

Quote it without the AI noise.

 

[Meriweather]

Then you should stop doing that.

I am totally confused by rylah and Hafar1014 's religious beliefs. Disobedience to God, Commandments, Law seem to be of no import to them, seemingly just a celebration of free will which God endorses. Disobedience is not my own understanding of free will. Nor do I consider the purpose of this life is to learn to disobey God under the guise that is what he intends for us to do.

If disobedience is in accord to God's will, then there is no reason for forgiveness, redemption, salvation. If none of those are needed, then no need for Biblical stories, communication/prayer with God.

Without presenting their own beliefs, they skew the religious beliefs of others who spend time studying, examining, and pondering scripture. While I would like to understand, I just don't get it. Can you provide enlightenment for me?

 

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Who's account?

I think when learning a text,
you should read the words critically,
instead of from a position of theological defense.

I have. The point of the account is that humans know right from wrong and when they violate it rather than abandoning the concept they rationalize they didn't violate it. Thus man's biggest sin is failure to be accountable when man makes a mistake. You can see this everywhere. It's not new. It's as old as the first man.

Can't read it more critically than that. I should be a rabbi.

 

[rylah]

I am totally confused by rylah and Hafar1014 's religious beliefs. Disobedience to God, Commandments, Law seem to be of no import to them, seemingly just a celebration of free will which God endorses. Disobedience is not my own understanding of free will. Nor do I consider the purpose of this life is to learn to disobey God under the guise that is what he intends for us to do.

If disobedience is in accord to God's will, then there is no reason for forgiveness, redemption, salvation. If none of those are needed, then no need for Biblical stories, communication/prayer with God.

Without presenting their own beliefs, they skew the religious beliefs of others who spend time studying, examining, and pondering scripture. While I would like to understand, I just don't get it. Can you provide enlightenment for me?

Read the text,

personal belief is irrelevant.

 

[rylah]

I have. The point of the account is that humans know right from wrong and when they violate it rather than abandoning the concept they rationalize they didn't violate it. Thus man's biggest sin is failure to be accountable when man makes a mistake. You can see this everywhere. It's not new. It's as old as the first man.

Can't read it more critically than that. I should be a rabbi.

Have you found the verse where God calls it "punishment"?

It should be simple.

 

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I am totally confused by rylah and Hafar1014 's religious beliefs. Disobedience to God, Commandments, Law seem to be of no import to them, seemingly just a celebration of free will which God endorses. Disobedience is not my own understanding of free will. Nor do I consider the purpose of this life is to learn to disobey God under the guise that is what he intends for us to do.

If disobedience is in accord to God's will, then there is no reason for forgiveness, redemption, salvation. If none of those are needed, then no need for Biblical stories, communication/prayer with God.

Without presenting their own beliefs, they skew the religious beliefs of others who spend time studying, examining, and pondering scripture. While I would like to understand, I just don't get it. Can you provide enlightenment for me?

It is quite odd since Judaism teaches rule following and consequences at the expense of a relationship with the Creator. The only explanation I have is that they are either dishonest, not that intelligent or both. It's a real head scratcher. Maybe it's a tribal thing. I don't know.

 

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Have you found the verse where God calls it "punishment"?

It should be simple.

Verses 15-19.

 

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Have you found the verse where God calls it "punishment"?

It should be simple.

Do you have an answer for this?

Before they were driven out, God made clothes for both of them, indicating they were leaving together.

 

[rylah]

Verses 15-19.

Does God use the word "punishment"

in any of these verses?