The Buck Stops Here

[Correll]

You have no idea the violence you are promoting and supporting.

The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk​

Martyrs are used by messianic movements to sanctify violence. To show any mercy or understanding toward the enemy is to betray the martyr and the cause the martyr died defending.​

The assassination of Charlie Kirk presages a new, deadly stage in the disintegration of a fractious and highly polarized United States. While toxic rhetoric and threats are lobbed across cultural divides like hand grenades, sometimes spilling over into actual violence — including the murder of Minnesota House of Representatives Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband and the two assassination attempts against Donald Trump — Kirk’s killing is a harbinger of full-scale social disintegration.
His murder has given the movement he represented — grounded in Christian nationalism — a martyr. Martyrs are the lifeblood of violent movements. Any flinching over the use of violence, any talk of compassion or understanding, any effort to mediate or discuss, is a betrayal of the martyr and the cause the martyr died defending.
Martyrs sacralize violence. They are used to turn the moral order upside down. Depravity becomes morality. Atrocities become heroism. Crime becomes justice. Hate becomes virtue. Greed and nepotism become civic virtues. Murder becomes good. War is the final aesthetic. This is what is coming. -Chris Hedges
The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk - Read by Eunice Wong

If you watch the vid, the message is clearly that the rejection of engagement is and has been the wrong path.

All you have to do to stop it, is start engaging like a person, instead of being a complete prick all the time.


As for "supporting the violence" it is YOUR side that killed Kirk. For the crime of trying to engage with you.

 

[gipper]

If you watch the vid, the message is clearly that the rejection of engagement is and has been the wrong path.

All you have to do to stop it, is start engaging like a person, instead of being a complete prick all the time.


As for "supporting the violence" it is YOUR side that killed Kirk. For the crime of trying to engage with you.

My side? Too funny. I have no side. I’m not a nutty fool like you.

 

[HikerGuy83]

No one else behaves like that. There is no other person who is contributing to the increase in anger in this country than its own President. MAGA can deny this all it wants. And it is lying. It is not mistaken or delusional. It is LYING.

Delusional garbage......SSDD

TDS on full display

 

[HikerGuy83]

You needed a big bully asshole as President to do that for you? You couldn't do it on your own, and needed Trump and his government bully pulpit and Twitter fingers to do it for you 24/7 for 10 years now?

As has been explained 100 times......are you listening?

A huge cross section of the GOP needed a voice. The left and the establisment marginalized them and ignored them. They called for help getting their voice into the public arena and they were denied. They were put down as stupid, hayseeds, hicks, bitter people clinging to guns and religion.

But they were participants. And guess what? They got a voice.

That you don't like that isn't my issue. I don't like Trumps mouth, but I voted for him 3 times and have ZERO REGRETS.

No, you can't do it on your own.....you do realize we live in a REPUBLIC where elected officials make decisions for us?

The right has found it's voice. And you bet it will continue. JD Vance in 2028 and to the stars.

You clowns are really helping us too by continuing to follow the voices of morons like Sunny Hostin and Joy Behar. So please keep it up.

Bill Mahar, someone who excoriats the right on a regular basis has decide the left is even more reprehensible. But you guys keep claiming some kind of high ground because Trump yammers on some stupid twitter account that most don't read.

Are you listening? I don't care if you agree. That's not my goal.

So you can print out your little rant, set it on fire and shove up your backside.

Your self-righteous lectures grow more and more thin as you find less and less to be relevant about.

How does it feel to be marginalized? Enjoying it?

 

[HikerGuy83]

That's crazy where would he get that idea from

I wonder.....

 

[j-mac]

Massie says Trump among those who should tone down rhetoric

The anger in this country is clearly increasing rapidly. It's being caused by inflammatory public rhetoric. The fact is, the rhetoric from both ends of the political spectrum is terribly harmful.

Right now, this country is led by a man who insults, mocks, attacks, intimidates, threatens, name-calls and trolls his political opposition every single goddamn day. And his fans/enablers cheer & enable him more, every single time he does it.

No one else behaves like that. There is no other person who is contributing to the increase in anger in this country than its own President. MAGA can deny this all it wants. And it is lying. It is not mistaken or delusional. It is LYING.

The ends of both sides of the spectrum are making this worse. The overall blame lies with both ends of the spectrum. And those of us in between the ends too, for that matter. And among that group, any individual who is violent is at the very top of the list. But there is one (1) person who is MOST to blame. Of all people, OF ALL PEOPLE, it's our very own President, the man who is supposed to be serving ALL Americans. He is failing America in real time.

This is the biggest bunch of Gaslighting bullshit I believe I've ever read....You really ought to be ashamed of yourself Mac1958....Trying to twist these events to push back the blame on the victims of leftist violence is disgusting....

 

[j-mac]

You must have missed that whole "Hang Mike Pence" mob as they were trashing the US Congress.

It takes a really sick mind to conflate some made up words/narrative, to the murder of man like Kirk simply because you don't like what he says...You're a rotten person.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Obviously this thread will be yet another demonstration of how his worst and most destructive behaviors are enabled further.

So why did you start it with the same bulls**t you always spew.

I guess no one has explained the definition of insanity to you.

It's funny. You just can't let go. It is impossible for you to take a different approach. I can almost feel the conflict in your writing as you say the same things over and over again.

You are programmed.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Are there two days of the year that are most important to MAGA than Easter and Christmas? Let's see what our President had to say, and the dignified and presidential words of peace and healing he had to offer all Americans.

You asked for it.

And you got it.

Enjoy

 

[leftwinger]

This such an outrageously silly statement, guided by nothing but hyper partisan right wing dogma and absent any common sense or independent thinking.

Was it the left who plotted to kidnap Nancy Pelosi but only found her husband instead, and then brutally assaulted him? Was it the left that plotted to kidnap Gretchen Witmer? Was it the left who shot and killed Melissa Hortman and her husband and shot another democratic lawmaker 9 times? Was it the left who stormed the capitol building in DC in an effort to overthrow democracy and injured 130 police officers? Are the left calling in bomb threats to a number of black colleges after the death of Kirk? Please.

Wow. This one ^^^^^ krichton is really a confused brainwashed atoige.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Ageed.

Bill Maher is saying the same things......

And instead of listening, morons like Mac1958 just double down on their accusations. Then wonder why people give them the finger.

 

[leftwinger]

They're not going to consider any of that. They're not going to consider any of their words or gun threats or anything else. They're not going to consider their Dear Leader's constant aggressive, divisive and dangerous rhetoric. They're not going to consider the constant dangerous rhetoric spewed ay all the other MAGA pundits that heat things up more every day.

They're just going to use this as motivation and an excuse for future actions. So I'd imagine that any publicly-known liberals, from pundits to politicians to celebrities, need to be very, very careful now, in and out of public.

This ******* idiot who shot Kirk has just made an awful situation far worse, and these people certainly won't rise above anything, ever. They don't know how, their Dear Leader doesn't know how, and it's not in their character.

Was he another Mormon led around by Mittens trashing Trump, the conservatives and America in general?

 

[DonGlock26]

Democrats wanted this. They were sad that Trump survived. These people need to be defeated and removed from power.
There is no unity possible with the Left. They are evil.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Massie says Trump among those who should tone down rhetoric

The anger in this country is clearly increasing rapidly. It's being caused by inflammatory public rhetoric. The fact is, the rhetoric from both ends of the political spectrum is terribly harmful.

Right now, this country is led by a man who insults, mocks, attacks, intimidates, threatens, name-calls and trolls his political opposition every single goddamn day. And his fans/enablers cheer & enable him more, every single time he does it.

No one else behaves like that. There is no other person who is contributing to the increase in anger in this country than its own President. MAGA can deny this all it wants. And it is lying. It is not mistaken or delusional. It is LYING.

The ends of both sides of the spectrum are making this worse. The overall blame lies with both ends of the spectrum. And those of us in between the ends too, for that matter. And among that group, any individual who is violent is at the very top of the list. But there is one (1) person who is MOST to blame. Of all people, OF ALL PEOPLE, it's our very own President, the man who is supposed to be serving ALL Americans. He is failing America in real time.

The thread title is quoting a great man who taught a great concept.

Only he was talking about how accountability landed with him.

Your rant, on the other hand, has it landing everywhere but with you....personally.

You are loaded with blame........of others.

Which is what the slogan was intended to counter.

IOW: You've misused something good for your own selfish purposes.

You are a lowlife.

You are part of the problem.....a big part of the problem. And Dont Taz Me Bro can stick it.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It's one thing that he's failing to lead us out of it.

It's another that he's the primary driver of it.

He was elected......he is the product.

Not the producer.

When does your tiny brain ever wake up to that fact.

He's there because we wanted him there.

You drove him off.....we brought him back.

He didn't "take over".

 

[krichton]

They're not going to consider any of that. They're not going to consider any of their words or gun threats or anything else. They're not going to consider their Dear Leader's constant aggressive, divisive and dangerous rhetoric. They're not going to consider the constant dangerous rhetoric spewed ay all the other MAGA pundits that heat things up more every day.

They're just going to use this as motivation and an excuse for future actions. So I'd imagine that any publicly-known liberals, from pundits to politicians to celebrities, need to be very, very careful now, in and out of public.

This ******* idiot who shot Kirk has just made an awful situation far worse, and these people certainly won't rise above anything, ever. They don't know how, their Dear Leader doesn't know how, and it's not in their character.

This is what happens when you've spent years, if not decides cultivating the dumbest voting bloc ever, in order to win elections, and now it's headed by the dumbest and most diviisive president ever.

 

[Mac1958]

This is what happens when you've spent years, if not decides cultivating the dumbest voting bloc ever, in order to win elections, and now it's headed by the dumbest and most diviisive president ever.

That's absolutely key.

This began the day Limbaugh went national. Not just the distortion of reality, but a whole way of thinking. Constantly hyperbolic, paranoid, binary and myopic. Literally, their thought processes have been so manipulated that it has created their own reality.

It's why I've given up here. I can say "1-2-3", and they will SAY that I said "X-Y-Z". I have no idea how to communicate with that. And that's how they will rule. They're winning this "war" of theirs, and our former friends and former allies can see what we are becoming.

 

[Harry Dresden]

This is what happens when you've spent years, if not decides cultivating the dumbest voting bloc ever, in order to win elections, and now it's headed by the dumbest and most diviisive president ever.

and yet this dumb asshole with the dumbest voting bloc ever beat your party .....that doesnt say much for your side does it?...

 

[candycorn]

It takes a really sick mind to conflate some made up words/narrative, to the murder of man like Kirk simply because you don't like what he says...You're a rotten person.

Nothing was made up. And you know this. Why do you continue to lie?

 

[Billiejeens]

Massie should understand that turnabout is fair play.

I don't approve of it, but human nature is to respond in kind.

No one
No one listens to Massie