the Biblical Basis for Socialism Is Undeniable, my friends

[BS Filter]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

By surrounding himself with the rich women and living off of them. He got the tax out of a fish.

Verse?

Who bankrolled his ministry?
Luke 8


Women Who Supported Jesus
8 After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

Irrelevant to the topic. Unless you think Jesus was collecting taxes for the government.

Thats exactly what he was doing.

Oh, good grief.


You think " financial support for Jesus and his disciples" was financial support for the government.

This is why so many people dismiss you.

What government was Jesus collecting taxes for from these women? Why would he not have collected taxes from others in the community, too?

Give to Caesar, what is Caesars.

Finish the verse.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”
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They paid their own taxes and he was just concerned about his. Taxes and Church tidings.

Taxes go to Caesar. Offerings to the Church are to God. Therefore, tell me again how Christianity is like a socialist state. Tell me how the Good Samaritan helped the guy that was mugged.

They expect people to support them.

How much did the 4000 give when Jesus fed them after the sermon on the mount?

 

[basquebromance]

In the Bible, there was always tension between prophets and false prophets

When you look today and see so-called white evangelicalism, you have to understand they are powerful, but they are not the majority of religiosity in this country. They are a loud, well-funded group. So we’ve got an unholy connection: Religion is being used as the cover for greed

 

[onefour1]

Although during the days of the Apostles there was a time when the saints lived a law of consecrating their substance. It is definitely not the same thing that we know today as socialism. Today's socialist societies are top heavy. What I mean by that is the rulers in those societies do not live on the same standard as those who are under them. The rulers steal from the lower class when they should be on the same level. The lower level class gets trapped by the upper level class and don't have the ability to rise in income level to ever match the upper level class. So my summation is that you should never look to those who practice socialism today as leaders into the economic law practiced by the Apostles. If you do, you will be sorely disappointed.

 

[fncceo]

"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness. Is like a villain with a smiling cheek"

-- William Shakespeare

 

[Mindful]

So what happens to people who "dont" want to work in Socialism? Do they still get paid?

The trick is to stand around looking as though you are working, when you are not. I’ve seen it for myself in former East Berlin.

Another is a job counting lampposts.

 

[Polishprince]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

Never happened. Not only that, Christ had no particular problem at all with His emperor either.

He didn't suffer from TDS- Tiberius Derangement Syndrome- although a lot of his contemporaries did.

Not a single syllable in scripture where he trashtalked the Emperor.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

So what happens to people who "dont" want to work in Socialism? Do they still get paid?

The trick is to stand around looking as though you are working, when you are not. I’ve seen it for myself in former East Berlin.

Another is a job counting lampposts.

Okay so nothing gets done, then when other slaves are watching you do nothing, then they would feel resentment and they wouldnt work either. That was when the government steps in and puts you in a gulag or shoots you. Shame Prog slaves in the US never were taught this about "True Socialism".....

 

[norwegen]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

Never happened. Not only that, Christ had no particular problem at all with His emperor either.

He didn't suffer from TDS- Tiberius Derangement Syndrome- although a lot of his contemporaries did.

Not a single syllable in scripture where he trashtalked the Emperor.

TDS. Good one.

True, the people he trash talked were the Jews, the temple hierarchy.

 

[martybegan]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

yes, because combining socialism and Christianity worked out really well before...

Want some Flavor-aid?

 

[ding]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

Probably by design.

Of course forced virtue isn't virtuous.

 

[Andylusion]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest anything close to Marx and Engels, or any other socialist view.

In fact Capitalism is all throughout the Bible. I could give you dozens on dozens of examples, but here's one to start with, for men trying to find a wife.

Proverbs 31, describes the Christian wife of noble character.

A wife of noble character, who can find? She is far more precious than rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. She brings him good and not harm all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She rises while it is still night to provide food for her household and portions for her maidservants. She appraises a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and shows that her arms are strong. She sees that her gain is good, and her lamp is not extinguished at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household, for they are all clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known at the city gate, where he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing, and she can laugh at the days to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.​

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Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband praises her as well: “Many daughters have done noble things, but you surpass them all!”​

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Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her at the gates.​

So what can we learn from this in relation to the topic? In verse 13, it says she carefully selects flax and wool, and works them with her hands, and is like a merchant ships bringing food from afar.

What does that mean? Capitalism. Making a profit. She's buying goods, and selling them.

If you even try and question then, then look at 24 where it says she makes garments, and sells them to the merchants. Capitalism. Owning the means of production.

Then you look at property rights in verse 16, where she buys a field, and plants a vineyard. Again, property rights, and capitalism.

And this is qualities of a woman the Bible says a man should look for. What does that tell you about the Biblical view of capitalism?

 

[Andylusion]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

By surrounding himself with the rich women and living off of them. He got the tax out of a fish.

He didn't work!! Just like evangelical prosperity preachers.

He did work. He worked exceedingly hard at the most important job in all the world. Saving people from eternal punishment, by offering the gift of salvation. And to do this, he was a preacher, and teacher.

That said, remember that he came from a family of carpenters, which in that day was cutting stone and hauling rocks. I wager Jesus worked very hard prior to his ministry at the age of 33 or so. Remember, in that day and age, you were born to a blacksmith, you were a blacksmith. If you want to change careers you did that after you left home. Before that, you did what the family did. Just like in the US, if you grew up on the farm, your first 20 years were milking cows, and hauling hay, and fixing the cattle fence.

 

[Andylusion]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

By surrounding himself with the rich women and living off of them. He got the tax out of a fish.

Verse?

Who bankrolled his ministry?
Luke 8


Women Who Supported Jesus
8 After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

So Jesus preached that government must enact socialism?

Yes all the time.

Or never.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

 

[Andylusion]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

By surrounding himself with the rich women and living off of them. He got the tax out of a fish.

Verse?

Who bankrolled his ministry?
Luke 8


Women Who Supported Jesus
8 After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

So Jesus preached that government must enact socialism?

Yes all the time.

You're a heretic. Jesus never endorsed using government to squeeze money out of people.

When is your lobotomy?

Matthew 25:31–46 NABRE - “When the Son of Man comes in his - Bible Gateway

(what do you think he's talking about?)

Nothing in that entire passage says that government should confiscate the wealth of some, to give it to others, or deny property rights, or anything socialist.

Now it does talk about how Christians like myself, should do personally, and help those around us, and we do. Right-wing Christians are the most charitable people in this country, by a very wide margin, that has been documented dozens of times.

But it never says "Go vote to steal the money of others to help others." That's not charity. If I come and shove a gun in your face, take your money you earned, and drop $100 of the money I stole from you, into a homeless shelter charity.... I'm not being charitable. Nor are you.

Equally, if simply vote for someone to take your money, without your consent or approval, and drop $100 of the money I had stolen from you, into a homeless shelter..... I"m not being charitable. Nor are you.

Jesus never said, go steal other people's stuff, and give it to the poor. He said *YOU*.... YOU Penelope.... You should take your money, and help those in need. Not others. Not vote for a politician to take other people's money and do it for you. Not even vote for a politician to take your money, and do it for you. YOU do it.

Which is why, we Christians are by far more charitable than anyone on the left-wing. Left-wingers are actually the most stingy stuck up snooty tightwad people in the world. Just a statistical fact.

 

[Andylusion]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

Seriously?

pretend Christian

He never did. You can't point to a single example where he said that. Yes Seriously. Anyone who claims that he did, is a pretend Christian.

 

[Andylusion]

The American welfare system began as a faith-based initiative.

What are you talking about.

 

[Andylusion]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

By surrounding himself with the rich women and living off of them. He got the tax out of a fish.

Verse?

Who bankrolled his ministry?
Luke 8


Women Who Supported Jesus
8 After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

Irrelevant to the topic. Unless you think Jesus was collecting taxes for the government.

Thats exactly what he was doing.

lol.... no, not so much.

 

[Andylusion]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

By surrounding himself with the rich women and living off of them. He got the tax out of a fish.

Verse?

Who bankrolled his ministry?
Luke 8


Women Who Supported Jesus
8 After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

Irrelevant to the topic. Unless you think Jesus was collecting taxes for the government.

Thats exactly what he was doing.

Oh, good grief.


You think " financial support for Jesus and his disciples" was financial support for the government.

This is why so many people dismiss you.

What government was Jesus collecting taxes for from these women? Why would he not have collected taxes from others in the community, too?

Give to Caesar, what is Caesars.

Yeah? And? Saying "follow the law" doesn't mean, he was a tax collector for the government. And that's ridiculous, since the Romans were fairly oppressive to the Jewish people which were occupied by them.

The Romans were not running a welfare program for the Jewish people. Trying to fit those facts into some claim that Jesus was in favor of socialism, is blind ignorance.

 

[Andylusion]

Where did Jesus or other biblical figures preach to redistribute wealth through the force of government?

By surrounding himself with the rich women and living off of them. He got the tax out of a fish.

Verse?

Who bankrolled his ministry?
Luke 8


Women Who Supported Jesus
8 After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

So Jesus preached that government must enact socialism?

Yes all the time.

You're a heretic. Jesus never endorsed using government to squeeze money out of people.

When is your lobotomy?

Matthew 25:31–46 NABRE - “When the Son of Man comes in his - Bible Gateway

(what do you think he's talking about?)

HE is speaking about the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM that will last 1000 years under the MESSIAH's reign. This will transpire after the 7 years of the TRIBULATION, which comes right after the CATCHING AWAY (rapture) of the MESSIAH's CHURCH. These is all yet future events --- though I believe we are getting ever so close to the RAPTURE.

I don't believe that junk. The rapture was suppose to be sometime soon in the 1st century. Today we have separation of Church and State, but Evangelicals are blurring the line.

Yet I believe Jesus was a socialist's according to the scriptures.

Point to where separation of church and state is in the Constitution, or Declaration of Independence. If not, then we don't have separation of church and state. All I see, is a protection of my rights to practice my faith, which includes in how I vote.

There is nothing in anything Jesus said that supports socialism. Nothing.

As for the Rapture, I don't know where you are getting this idea the Bible says the Rapture would happen in the 1st Century.

Luke 21:24 Says "They will fall by the edge of the sword and be taken as captives to all the Gentiles; and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles[a] are fulfilled."

That happened in 70 AD and 135 AD. And the Jews were scattered to all the nations.

If the Tribulation was supposed to happen in the first century, why would Jesus make the opposite prophesy that the Israel would be wiped out? That makes no sense.