the Biblical Basis for Socialism Is Undeniable, my friends

[Andylusion]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

you were mistaken God doesn't approve of stealing from to give to others.

Its not stealing.

yes it is

The social programs are not stealing, no body is stealing your money.

The tax loopholes are not stealing.

Again, if we vote to take take all of your property, is that fine? If you think so, then that only proves you are a liar. Because if we confiscated most of your property, you'd be freaking out right now.

 

[ding]

Socialism is a religion, basquebromance

 

[Desperado]

Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die.

Well they need to get off their dead ass and go to work, It is on them not capitalism

 

[ding]

"...In closing this chapter, we turn our attention to an interesting and apparently essential matter--something the reader has undoubtedly noted: the profound dependence of socialist ideology (in the forms it attained in the Middle Ages) on Christianity. In almost all socialist movements, the idea of equality was founded on the equality of all people before God. It was standard practice to refer to the community of Apostles in Jerusalem as a model founded on the principles of communality. It is to Christianity that socialism owes its concept of a historic goal, the idea of the sinfulness of the world, its coming end and the Last Judgment. Such a close link can hardly be explained by the desire to be in accord with accepted authority or (as Engels has argued) by the fact that the language of religion was the only available idiom in which to express general historical conceptions. The fact that socialism borrowed some of its fundamental ideas from Christianity shows that this was a matter not of mere transference but of a deeper interaction. The existence of certain related elements in Christianity and socialism is indicated, for example, by the phenomenon of the monastery, which seems to realize socialist principles within Christianity (e.g., the abolition of private property and of marriage). It would be extremely important to discern the aspects shared by Christianity and socialism, to trace how the Christian concepts are redirected within socialism and ultimately turn into a denial of the fundamental principles of Christianity (for example, when God's judgment over the world is reinterpreted as the judgment of the "elect" over their enemies, or when the resurrection of the dead is translated into "deification" in the sect of Free Spirits). Such an analysis would undoubtedly explain a great deal about socialist ideology..."

The Socialist Phenomenon

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ReinyDays

 

[BreezeWood]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest anything close to Marx and Engels, or any other socialist view.

In fact Capitalism is all throughout the Bible. I could give you dozens on dozens of examples, but here's one to start with, for men trying to find a wife.

Proverbs 31, describes the Christian wife of noble character.

A wife of noble character, who can find? She is far more precious than rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. She brings him good and not harm all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She rises while it is still night to provide food for her household and portions for her maidservants. She appraises a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and shows that her arms are strong. She sees that her gain is good, and her lamp is not extinguished at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household, for they are all clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known at the city gate, where he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing, and she can laugh at the days to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.​

​

Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband praises her as well: “Many daughters have done noble things, but you surpass them all!”​

​

Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her at the gates.​

So what can we learn from this in relation to the topic? In verse 13, it says she carefully selects flax and wool, and works them with her hands, and is like a merchant ships bringing food from afar.

What does that mean? Capitalism. Making a profit. She's buying goods, and selling them.

If you even try and question then, then look at 24 where it says she makes garments, and sells them to the merchants. Capitalism. Owning the means of production.

Then you look at property rights in verse 16, where she buys a field, and plants a vineyard. Again, property rights, and capitalism.

And this is qualities of a woman the Bible says a man should look for. What does that tell you about the Biblical view of capitalism?

We know all women work hard, and that is in the Jewish book, not the Christian book. We are to follow Jesus and not Paul.

So you are saying that Paul, a man who died for his faith in Jesus, and wrote the majority of the NT, is not to be follow? G-d had Paul write most of his book. We are following the Bible. And Jesus never wrote a book. Everything you know about Jesus, was written by other people.

Do you follow Luke? Or Mark? Or John? You either believe the whole Bible, or none of it. If you don't follow Paul, then you don't follow Jesus either, because Jesus sent Paul to write his book for us.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.
they had you in mind when they wrote it -
.
Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
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they spent a 100 years, 4oo years after the events of the 1st century to write and complete the christian bible - "the religion of the roman empire" -

it is you who has no idea who wrote that book or ... the 1st century religious itinerant, the book is supposedly based on. and is a political document disguised as a religion. for the mentally and emotionally - - > depraved. andylooser.

 

[BreezeWood]

Socialism is a religion, basquebromance

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Socialism is a religion, @basquebromance

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socialism is an economic model fulfilling classical economics definition based on full employment.

 

[BS Filter]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

 

[BS Filter]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest anything close to Marx and Engels, or any other socialist view.

In fact Capitalism is all throughout the Bible. I could give you dozens on dozens of examples, but here's one to start with, for men trying to find a wife.

Proverbs 31, describes the Christian wife of noble character.

A wife of noble character, who can find? She is far more precious than rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. She brings him good and not harm all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She rises while it is still night to provide food for her household and portions for her maidservants. She appraises a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and shows that her arms are strong. She sees that her gain is good, and her lamp is not extinguished at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household, for they are all clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known at the city gate, where he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing, and she can laugh at the days to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.​

​

Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband praises her as well: “Many daughters have done noble things, but you surpass them all!”​

​

Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her at the gates.​

So what can we learn from this in relation to the topic? In verse 13, it says she carefully selects flax and wool, and works them with her hands, and is like a merchant ships bringing food from afar.

What does that mean? Capitalism. Making a profit. She's buying goods, and selling them.

If you even try and question then, then look at 24 where it says she makes garments, and sells them to the merchants. Capitalism. Owning the means of production.

Then you look at property rights in verse 16, where she buys a field, and plants a vineyard. Again, property rights, and capitalism.

And this is qualities of a woman the Bible says a man should look for. What does that tell you about the Biblical view of capitalism?

We know all women work hard, and that is in the Jewish book, not the Christian book. We are to follow Jesus and not Paul.

So you are saying that Paul, a man who died for his faith in Jesus, and wrote the majority of the NT, is not to be follow? G-d had Paul write most of his book. We are following the Bible. And Jesus never wrote a book. Everything you know about Jesus, was written by other people.

Do you follow Luke? Or Mark? Or John? You either believe the whole Bible, or none of it. If you don't follow Paul, then you don't follow Jesus either, because Jesus sent Paul to write his book for us.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.
they had you in mind when they wrote it -
.
Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
.
they spent a 100 years, 4oo years after the events of the 1st century to write and complete the christian bible - "the religion of the roman empire" -

it is you who has no idea who wrote that book or ... the 1st century religious itinerant, the book is supposedly based on. and is a political document disguised as a religion. for the mentally and emotionally - - > depraved. andylooser.

Sorry, but your opinion or the opinion of someone else doesn't trump Scripture. God is fully able to keep his Word intact through the centuries and He did. The Holy Spirit works through God's chosen. Too bad for you and others who attempt to destroy God's Word.

 

[Penelope]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

What would you do if you found a man beaten and left for dead?

 

[Penelope]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest anything close to Marx and Engels, or any other socialist view.

In fact Capitalism is all throughout the Bible. I could give you dozens on dozens of examples, but here's one to start with, for men trying to find a wife.

Proverbs 31, describes the Christian wife of noble character.

A wife of noble character, who can find? She is far more precious than rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. She brings him good and not harm all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She rises while it is still night to provide food for her household and portions for her maidservants. She appraises a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and shows that her arms are strong. She sees that her gain is good, and her lamp is not extinguished at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household, for they are all clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known at the city gate, where he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing, and she can laugh at the days to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.​

​

Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband praises her as well: “Many daughters have done noble things, but you surpass them all!”​

​

Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her at the gates.​

So what can we learn from this in relation to the topic? In verse 13, it says she carefully selects flax and wool, and works them with her hands, and is like a merchant ships bringing food from afar.

What does that mean? Capitalism. Making a profit. She's buying goods, and selling them.

If you even try and question then, then look at 24 where it says she makes garments, and sells them to the merchants. Capitalism. Owning the means of production.

Then you look at property rights in verse 16, where she buys a field, and plants a vineyard. Again, property rights, and capitalism.

And this is qualities of a woman the Bible says a man should look for. What does that tell you about the Biblical view of capitalism?

We know all women work hard, and that is in the Jewish book, not the Christian book. We are to follow Jesus and not Paul.

So you are saying that Paul, a man who died for his faith in Jesus, and wrote the majority of the NT, is not to be follow? G-d had Paul write most of his book. We are following the Bible. And Jesus never wrote a book. Everything you know about Jesus, was written by other people.

Do you follow Luke? Or Mark? Or John? You either believe the whole Bible, or none of it. If you don't follow Paul, then you don't follow Jesus either, because Jesus sent Paul to write his book for us.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.
they had you in mind when they wrote it -
.
Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
.
they spent a 100 years, 4oo years after the events of the 1st century to write and complete the christian bible - "the religion of the roman empire" -

it is you who has no idea who wrote that book or ... the 1st century religious itinerant, the book is supposedly based on. and is a political document disguised as a religion. for the mentally and emotionally - - > depraved. andylooser.

Sorry, but your opinion or the opinion of someone else doesn't trump Scripture. God is fully able to keep his Word intact through the centuries and He did. The Holy Spirit works through God's chosen. Too bad for you and others who attempt to destroy God's Word.

How has he kept his word intact??

 

[BS Filter]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

What would you do if you found a man beaten and left for dead?

We're discussing Scripture, not me. If you can't compete, then find a new hobby.

 

[BS Filter]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest anything close to Marx and Engels, or any other socialist view.

In fact Capitalism is all throughout the Bible. I could give you dozens on dozens of examples, but here's one to start with, for men trying to find a wife.

Proverbs 31, describes the Christian wife of noble character.

A wife of noble character, who can find? She is far more precious than rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. She brings him good and not harm all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She rises while it is still night to provide food for her household and portions for her maidservants. She appraises a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and shows that her arms are strong. She sees that her gain is good, and her lamp is not extinguished at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household, for they are all clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known at the city gate, where he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing, and she can laugh at the days to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.​

​

Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband praises her as well: “Many daughters have done noble things, but you surpass them all!”​

​

Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her at the gates.​

So what can we learn from this in relation to the topic? In verse 13, it says she carefully selects flax and wool, and works them with her hands, and is like a merchant ships bringing food from afar.

What does that mean? Capitalism. Making a profit. She's buying goods, and selling them.

If you even try and question then, then look at 24 where it says she makes garments, and sells them to the merchants. Capitalism. Owning the means of production.

Then you look at property rights in verse 16, where she buys a field, and plants a vineyard. Again, property rights, and capitalism.

And this is qualities of a woman the Bible says a man should look for. What does that tell you about the Biblical view of capitalism?

We know all women work hard, and that is in the Jewish book, not the Christian book. We are to follow Jesus and not Paul.

So you are saying that Paul, a man who died for his faith in Jesus, and wrote the majority of the NT, is not to be follow? G-d had Paul write most of his book. We are following the Bible. And Jesus never wrote a book. Everything you know about Jesus, was written by other people.

Do you follow Luke? Or Mark? Or John? You either believe the whole Bible, or none of it. If you don't follow Paul, then you don't follow Jesus either, because Jesus sent Paul to write his book for us.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

.
they had you in mind when they wrote it -
.
Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
.
they spent a 100 years, 4oo years after the events of the 1st century to write and complete the christian bible - "the religion of the roman empire" -

it is you who has no idea who wrote that book or ... the 1st century religious itinerant, the book is supposedly based on. and is a political document disguised as a religion. for the mentally and emotionally - - > depraved. andylooser.

Sorry, but your opinion or the opinion of someone else doesn't trump Scripture. God is fully able to keep his Word intact through the centuries and He did. The Holy Spirit works through God's chosen. Too bad for you and others who attempt to destroy God's Word.

How has he kept his word intact??

There are millions and millions of Bibles all over the planet and millions and millions of people who believe it is God's Word.

 

[Penelope]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

What would you do if you found a man beaten and left for dead?

We're discussing Scripture, not me. If you can't compete, then find a new hobby.

I'm asking you what you'd do. Leave the man and because he didn't work or was a minority.

 

[Penelope]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest anything close to Marx and Engels, or any other socialist view.

In fact Capitalism is all throughout the Bible. I could give you dozens on dozens of examples, but here's one to start with, for men trying to find a wife.

Proverbs 31, describes the Christian wife of noble character.

A wife of noble character, who can find? She is far more precious than rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. She brings him good and not harm all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She rises while it is still night to provide food for her household and portions for her maidservants. She appraises a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and shows that her arms are strong. She sees that her gain is good, and her lamp is not extinguished at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household, for they are all clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known at the city gate, where he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing, and she can laugh at the days to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.​

​

Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband praises her as well: “Many daughters have done noble things, but you surpass them all!”​

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Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her at the gates.​

So what can we learn from this in relation to the topic? In verse 13, it says she carefully selects flax and wool, and works them with her hands, and is like a merchant ships bringing food from afar.

What does that mean? Capitalism. Making a profit. She's buying goods, and selling them.

If you even try and question then, then look at 24 where it says she makes garments, and sells them to the merchants. Capitalism. Owning the means of production.

Then you look at property rights in verse 16, where she buys a field, and plants a vineyard. Again, property rights, and capitalism.

And this is qualities of a woman the Bible says a man should look for. What does that tell you about the Biblical view of capitalism?

We know all women work hard, and that is in the Jewish book, not the Christian book. We are to follow Jesus and not Paul.

So you are saying that Paul, a man who died for his faith in Jesus, and wrote the majority of the NT, is not to be follow? G-d had Paul write most of his book. We are following the Bible. And Jesus never wrote a book. Everything you know about Jesus, was written by other people.

Do you follow Luke? Or Mark? Or John? You either believe the whole Bible, or none of it. If you don't follow Paul, then you don't follow Jesus either, because Jesus sent Paul to write his book for us.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

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You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

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they had you in mind when they wrote it -
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Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
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they spent a 100 years, 4oo years after the events of the 1st century to write and complete the christian bible - "the religion of the roman empire" -

it is you who has no idea who wrote that book or ... the 1st century religious itinerant, the book is supposedly based on. and is a political document disguised as a religion. for the mentally and emotionally - - > depraved. andylooser.

Sorry, but your opinion or the opinion of someone else doesn't trump Scripture. God is fully able to keep his Word intact through the centuries and He did. The Holy Spirit works through God's chosen. Too bad for you and others who attempt to destroy God's Word.

How has he kept his word intact??

There are millions and millions of Bibles all over the planet and millions and millions of people who believe it is God's Word.

Its not the word of God, God didn't tell many men to write the books and Jews wrote the OT and the NT.

Why are there two stories in Genesis about the beginning of time? Did god change his mind?

Jesus was a socialist whether you like it or not.

 

[BS Filter]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

What would you do if you found a man beaten and left for dead?

We're discussing Scripture, not me. If you can't compete, then find a new hobby.

I'm asking you what you'd do. Leave the man and because he didn't work or was a minority.

You're sick, you racist piece of shit.

 

[Penelope]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

What would you do if you found a man beaten and left for dead?

We're discussing Scripture, not me. If you can't compete, then find a new hobby.

I'm asking you what you'd do. Leave the man and because he didn't work or was a minority.

You're sick, you racist piece of shit.

No, I deal in reality, not fantasy.

 

[BS Filter]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest anything close to Marx and Engels, or any other socialist view.

In fact Capitalism is all throughout the Bible. I could give you dozens on dozens of examples, but here's one to start with, for men trying to find a wife.

Proverbs 31, describes the Christian wife of noble character.

A wife of noble character, who can find? She is far more precious than rubies. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he lacks nothing of value. She brings him good and not harm all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She rises while it is still night to provide food for her household and portions for her maidservants. She appraises a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and shows that her arms are strong. She sees that her gain is good, and her lamp is not extinguished at night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household, for they are all clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known at the city gate, where he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing, and she can laugh at the days to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.​

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Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband praises her as well: “Many daughters have done noble things, but you surpass them all!”​

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Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her at the gates.​

So what can we learn from this in relation to the topic? In verse 13, it says she carefully selects flax and wool, and works them with her hands, and is like a merchant ships bringing food from afar.

What does that mean? Capitalism. Making a profit. She's buying goods, and selling them.

If you even try and question then, then look at 24 where it says she makes garments, and sells them to the merchants. Capitalism. Owning the means of production.

Then you look at property rights in verse 16, where she buys a field, and plants a vineyard. Again, property rights, and capitalism.

And this is qualities of a woman the Bible says a man should look for. What does that tell you about the Biblical view of capitalism?

We know all women work hard, and that is in the Jewish book, not the Christian book. We are to follow Jesus and not Paul.

So you are saying that Paul, a man who died for his faith in Jesus, and wrote the majority of the NT, is not to be follow? G-d had Paul write most of his book. We are following the Bible. And Jesus never wrote a book. Everything you know about Jesus, was written by other people.

Do you follow Luke? Or Mark? Or John? You either believe the whole Bible, or none of it. If you don't follow Paul, then you don't follow Jesus either, because Jesus sent Paul to write his book for us.

You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

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You don't get to pick and choose what you part of the Bible you believe. It isn't a buffet, or a choose your own adventure book.

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they had you in mind when they wrote it -
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Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
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they spent a 100 years, 4oo years after the events of the 1st century to write and complete the christian bible - "the religion of the roman empire" -

it is you who has no idea who wrote that book or ... the 1st century religious itinerant, the book is supposedly based on. and is a political document disguised as a religion. for the mentally and emotionally - - > depraved. andylooser.

Sorry, but your opinion or the opinion of someone else doesn't trump Scripture. God is fully able to keep his Word intact through the centuries and He did. The Holy Spirit works through God's chosen. Too bad for you and others who attempt to destroy God's Word.

How has he kept his word intact??

There are millions and millions of Bibles all over the planet and millions and millions of people who believe it is God's Word.

Its not the word of God, God didn't tell many men to write the books and Jews wrote the OT and the NT.

Why are there two stories in Genesis about the beginning of time? Did god change his mind?

Jesus was a socialist whether you like it or not.

Blah, blah, and blah.

 

[BS Filter]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

What would you do if you found a man beaten and left for dead?

We're discussing Scripture, not me. If you can't compete, then find a new hobby.

I'm asking you what you'd do. Leave the man and because he didn't work or was a minority.

You're sick, you racist piece of shit.

No, I deal in reality, not fantasy.

You're mentally ill.

 

[Penelope]

As i began to read Marx and Engels, it reminded me of the biblical messages i grew up with

By then, I had spent several years realizing that things were not right in our society. And now I saw there were other ways to organize an economy that reward people for their work and enable them to sustain themselves. Capitalism was doing that for some, but it was leaving a whole bunch of other people to suffer and die. And I learned that these class issues could not be divorced from race and gender

Here's what the BIBLE says about socialism
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:11

Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work [a]peacefully and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:12

Out of 27 books, all wrote by Jews, you can find 3 verses where it says people should work and not be busybodies, all wrote by Paul. I thought them verses were about gossip.

It's both. You should work. Do a job. Not be running around gossiping.

And I've posted several verses. So has this other poster. So it's not just 3 verses. And we could list the parable of the talents, and the vineyard, and a few others.

There are dozens I could list. At this point, you are just refusing to listen to the facts. You can't debate the facts.

Yes. The Good Samaritan. He wasn't helped with any government programs. The passerby paid for his lodging and care out of his own pocket.

What would you do if you found a man beaten and left for dead?

We're discussing Scripture, not me. If you can't compete, then find a new hobby.

I'm asking you what you'd do. Leave the man and because he didn't work or was a minority.

You're sick, you racist piece of shit.

No, I deal in reality, not fantasy.

You're mentally ill.

I think you are in fantasy land, hopefully you will wake up.

 

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Socialism is a religion, basquebromance

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Socialism is a religion, @basquebromance

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socialism is an economic model fulfilling classical economics definition based on full employment.

That's a wolf in sheep's clothing; a Trojan horse so to speak.