Tax Cuts Steal Democracy

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Also the corporate tax is merely passed on like any cost of doing business we have the tax only to appeal to the pure ignorance of liberals who want corporations to pay "their fair share "liberals are far too stupid do you know that they pay the corporations "fair share"Notice that when a liberal and conservative meet the conservative always ends up running a kindergarten

The Conservative is almost always wrong about everything they say. So it is like kindergarten with you people, only it's more special-ed than actual kindergarten. You say the corporate tax is passed on to us. How so? Taxes are on profits, not revenues.

Also the corporate tax is merely passed on like any cost of doing business we have the tax only to appeal to the pure ignorance of liberals who want corporations to pay "their fair share "liberals are far too stupid do you know that they pay the corporations "fair share"Notice that when a liberal and conservative meet the conservative always ends up running a kindergarten

The Conservative is almost always wrong about everything they say. So it is like kindergarten with you people, only it's more special-ed than actual kindergarten. You say the corporate tax is passed on to us. How so? Taxes are on profits, not revenues.

Taxes are extracted from a business whether they go to the government or to a supplier of glass makes no difference the money is gone lower the taxes lower the price it can be more money for shareholders or lower prices but from mycan make for my corporation's point of view the tax cost or twrong material cost are identical the costs are passed on Two customers a corporation is a tax collector not a tax payer the Liberals are far too stupid to know that they pay the tax

 

[The Derp]

Why would it work nationally after we saw work nationally in Ireland.

It didn't work in Ireland. You keep insisting it did, but it didn't. The figures you posted shows piddling job growth, which means the move did nothing to increase demand, which would lead to increased supply, which would lead to increased labor. Why? If we saw no economic benefit from allowing corporations to do this, why would those benefits start happening now? It's been 5-6 years, shouldn't it have had a greater impact than the few jobs it supposedly created?

BTW - Ireland's unemployment rate is 6.4%, which is higher than ours.

 

[The Derp]

The more you raise taxes and more government has to spend and waste and the more bogged down in economy becomes.

Untrue. The more you raise taxes, the more revenues come in. Those revenues can then be used to reduce out-of-pocket costs for middle and lower class folks by way of increased Medicaid funding and increased education funding, which reduces spending by consumers on health care and education, allowing them to spend more in the consumer economy. So, raise taxes = more revenues = more funding for health care and education = less individual spending on health care and education = more consumer spending = more demand = more jobs.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Also the corporate tax is merely passed on like any cost of doing business we have the tax only to appeal to the pure ignorance of liberals who want corporations to pay "their fair share "liberals are far too stupid do you know that they pay the corporations "fair share"Notice that when a liberal and conservative meet the conservative always ends up running a kindergarten

The Conservative is almost always wrong about everything they say. So it is like kindergarten with you people, only it's more special-ed than actual kindergarten. You say the corporate tax is passed on to us. How so? Taxes are on profits, not revenues.

Why would it work nationally after we saw work nationally in Ireland.

It didn't work in Ireland. You keep insisting it did, but it didn't. The figures you posted shows piddling job growth, which means the move did nothing to increase demand, which would lead to increased supply, which would lead to increased labor. Why? If we saw no economic benefit from allowing corporations to do this, why would those benefits start happening now? It's been 5-6 years, shouldn't it have had a greater impact than the few jobs it supposedly created?

BTW - Ireland's unemployment rate is 6.4%, which is higher than ours.

so are you saying that if Ireland had raised its tax to 40 or 50%so companies would have to raise their price and lower everyone standard of living they would've had more job growth and if the higher the tax rate the more job growth you got

Notice that a Marxist will be making the most fundamental mistakes about absolutely everything there's is a world of complete double think

 

[The Derp]

es text cuts in Ireland generated thousands and thousands of jobs that will be kept in Ireland as long is the tax rates remain very very low

LOL! Ireland's unemployment rate is 6.4%. Ours is 4.5%.

 

[The Derp]

Opening China in turning it to republican capitalism was the most successful foreign-policy in the history of America now they are like us ratger than huge communist enemies who want to destroy us 1+1 = 2

Russian Active Measure.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Opening China in turning it to republican capitalism was the most successful foreign-policy in the history of America now they are like us ratger than huge communist enemies who want to destroy us 1+1 = 2

Russian Active Measure.

Who is talking about Russia???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

es text cuts in Ireland generated thousands and thousands of jobs that will be kept in Ireland as long is the tax rates remain very very low

LOL! Ireland's unemployment rate is 6.4%. Ours is 4.5%.

And does that prove that the higher we make costs on corporations and the higher we make their prices the more people they will employ?? Notice how the most fundamental things notice how the most fundamental things I'll be on the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal are beyondn the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal

 

[The Derp]

Taxes are extracted from a business

A business pays income tax on profits, not revenues. Profits come after expenses are deducted from revenues. At no point will a business have zero profit if; its expenses are less than its revenues and the tax rate is less than 100%.

Taxes are extracted from a business whether they go to the government or to a supplier of glass makes no difference in money is gone lower the taxes lower the price can be in the more money shareholders can make for my corporation's point of view the text cost in the wrong material cost are identical the costs are passed on Two customers a corporation is a tax collector not a tax payer the Liberals are far too stupid to know that they pay the tax

I want everyone to look at this post and see that it is clearly something that was put through a Google translator of some kind. It's a gigantic, run-on sentence full of syntax and grammatical errors. This is how you can tell you are dealing with a Russian employing Active Measures. Once they get off script, that's when the posts become less coherent and articulate.

 

[The Derp]

so are you saying that if Ireland had raised its tax to 40 or 50%so companies would have to raise their price and lower everyone standard of living they would've had more job growth and if the higher the tax rate the more job growth you got

What I'm saying is that you are employing Russian Active Measures, and that you were full of it when you said Ireland's tax rate supposedly creates all these jobs. It doesn't. Ireland's unemployment rate is higher than ours. So if what you are saying is true, wouldn't Ireland be at full employment? How come they're not?

Right now, the average effective tax rate for businesses is about 12.4%. For individuals, it's closer to about 17.5%. So my question is; if corporations are people, then shouldn't they pay taxes like people?

 

[The Derp]

Who is talking about Russia???

I feel like I'm talking to a Russian when I read your posts.

 

[The Derp]

And does that prove that the higher we make costs on corporations and the higher we make their prices the more people they will employ?? Notice how the most fundamental things notice how the most fundamental things I'll be on the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal are beyondn the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal

HOLD ON A SECOND. Your main argument before was that Ireland's low tax rate for businesses creates jobs. Then you posted figures showing that after 5-6 years of Ireland's tax cuts, they created the same number of jobs that Obama created in seven days just this past January. So before you go off onto another Active Measure, let's deal with your original claim, pre-goalpost shift.

You claimed Ireland's low tax rate means jobs. However, the numbers you posted, in addition to their unemployment rate (which is higher than ours), say otherwise. So why are you continuing to say something that is disproved by facts?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And does that prove that the higher we make costs on corporations and the higher we make their prices the more people they will employ?? Notice how the most fundamental things notice how the most fundamental things I'll be on the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal are beyondn the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal

HOLD ON A SECOND. Your main argument before was that Ireland's low tax rate for businesses creates jobs. Then you posted figures showing that after 5-6 years of Ireland's tax cuts, they created the same number of jobs that Obama created in seven days just this past January. So before you go off onto another Active Measure, let's deal with your original claim, pre-goalpost shift.

You claimed Ireland's low tax rate means jobs. However, the numbers you posted, in addition to their unemployment rate (which is higher than ours), say otherwise. So why are you continuing to say something that is disproved by facts?

Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate. That’s a big deal on its own. If a U.S. corporation builds a factory in Ireland that generates $10 million in profit, it pays $1.25 million in Irish tax instead of the $3.5 million that it would pay if it built the factory in Indiana, where the federal rate is 35%. But that’s only the beginning of tax benefits available for locating in Ireland. Lax U.S. transfer pricing rules allow the Irish factory to book inordinate profits that rightly should have been taxed in the United States. Suppose that in the example, the Irish factory books something like $30 million of profit in Ireland. It pays $3.75 million in Irish tax, but at the same time, because it shifts $20 million of profit from the United States to Ireland, it reduces its U.S. tax by $7 million. So the choice between locating a factory in Indiana or Ireland is the choice between pay $3.5 million of U.S. tax or net tax of negative $3.25 million (that is, $3.75 million of Irish tax minus $7 million of lower U.S. tax.) In effect, the U.S. Treasury is subsidizing investment in Ireland.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Derp the Marxist liberal is actually arguing that the more we raise taxes The more we will attract business and the more we lower taxes the more we will repel them that is the state to which modern Marxist have sunk

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And does that prove that the higher we make costs on corporations and the higher we make their prices the more people they will employ?? Notice how the most fundamental things notice how the most fundamental things I'll be on the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal are beyondn the intelligence of a brainwashed Marxist liberal

HOLD ON A SECOND. Your main argument before was that Ireland's low tax rate for businesses creates jobs. Then you posted figures showing that after 5-6 years of Ireland's tax cuts, they created the same number of jobs that Obama created in seven days just this past January. So before you go off onto another Active Measure, let's deal with your original claim, pre-goalpost shift.

You claimed Ireland's low tax rate means jobs. However, the numbers you posted, in addition to their unemployment rate (which is higher than ours), say otherwise. So why are you continuing to say something that is disproved by facts?

To stupid of course there are many variables involved which render Ireland not a scientific experiment do you understand even the basics of science

 

[The Derp]

Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate.

No, no, no...again, you are dodging from your original claim that Ireland's tax cuts create jobs. They don't. Ireland's unemployment rate is actually higher than ours. So why did you say their tax rate creates jobs when the reality says otherwise?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate.

No, no, no...again, you are dodging from your original claim that Ireland's tax cuts create jobs. They don't. Ireland's unemployment rate is actually higher than ours. So why did you say their tax rate creates jobs when the reality says otherwise?

Ireland has a 12.5% corporate tax rate. That’s a big deal on its own. If a U.S. corporation builds a factory in Ireland that generates $10 million in profit, it pays $1.25 million in Irish tax instead of the $3.5 million that it would pay if it built the factory in Indiana, where the federal rate is 35%. But that’s only the beginning of tax benefits available for locating in Ireland. Lax U.S. transfer pricing rules allow the Irish factory to book inordinate profits that rightly should have been taxed in the United States. Suppose that in the example, the Irish factory books something like $30 million of profit in Ireland. It pays $3.75 million in Irish tax, but at the same time, because it shifts $20 million of profit from the United States to Ireland, it reduces its U.S. tax by $7 million. So the choice between locating a factory in Indiana or Ireland is the choice between pay $3.5 million of U.S. tax or net tax of negative $3.25 million (that is, $3.75 million of Irish tax minus $7 million of lower U.S. tax.) In effect, the U.S. Treasury is subsidizing investment in Ireland.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Marxist liberal is now trying to say that Ireland dropped his corporate tax but for no reason whatsoever in fact the facts would indicate they dropped it to raise unemployment rather than to lower. This is the state of modern Marxist thinking

 

[The Derp]

Derp the Marxist liberal is actually arguing that the more we raise taxes The more we will attract business and the more we lower taxes the more we will repel them that is the state to which modern Marxist have sunk

The only argument I am making is that cutting taxes does not create jobs or growth. Your posts about Ireland prove it; job growth in 5-6 years what Obama did in one week this past January. That's not indicative of a business creating jobs thanks to tax cuts for those businesses. And those businesses that went to Ireland didn't set up production there. They didn't even set up distribution or marketing. The Irish moves have nothing to do with the supply chain. It was done purely to enrich wealthy majority shareholders who also sit on the Board of Directors and thus, have a vested interest in maintaining profit margins, regardless of employment.

 

[The Derp]

To stupid of course there are many variables involved which render Ireland not a scientific experiment do you understand even the basics of science

So you submit Ireland into the debate, but then say that it's actually not something relevant given the myriad "variables". So then why did you enter it into the debate if you knew it was a flawed argument to make???