Sympathy for the Devil?

[Nosmo King]

Your stupid hyperbole aside, so how is sleep deprivation torture? You're not inflicting pain on anyone. Same with stress positions and a lot of what was detailed there. Uncomfortable? Yes/ But thats not inflicting pain.
How do you propose we get information out of hardened terrorists? Tickle them? Subject them to reading your posts? (OK thats cruel and unusual).

Keep your sadism and we'll do just fine.

Let's first understand that the United States signed a treaty banning torture. Let us also understand that the United States prosecuted Japanese war criminals for the torture they committed. One specific use of torture named in the indictment of Japanese war criminals was water boarding! Imagine that! We prosecuted war criminals for water boarding.

As for how to get reliable, actionable intelligence? Let's ignore the Sadists that Cheney hired and then kept the American people in the dark about. Sadists don't get intelligence, they mete out revenge.

Let's instead listen to the experts who have interrogated suspects and have garnered real, actionable intelligence. There are methods that do not involve physical pain. But Conservatives want their pound of flesh more than real intelligence.

Mastertful bit of deflection and dissimulation.
Do you think sitting and asking nicely is going to produce actionable intelligence with committed terrorists?

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

I'd waterboard everyone of those bastards. Better yet I'd shoot em all and take no prisoners then you handwringers wouldn't have to worry about your so called torture.

3 2 1.


That's when all your credibility and your standing as an American just got flushed down the crapper by your own hand.

 

[The Rabbi]

Keep your sadism and we'll do just fine.

Let's first understand that the United States signed a treaty banning torture. Let us also understand that the United States prosecuted Japanese war criminals for the torture they committed. One specific use of torture named in the indictment of Japanese war criminals was water boarding! Imagine that! We prosecuted war criminals for water boarding.

As for how to get reliable, actionable intelligence? Let's ignore the Sadists that Cheney hired and then kept the American people in the dark about. Sadists don't get intelligence, they mete out revenge.

Let's instead listen to the experts who have interrogated suspects and have garnered real, actionable intelligence. There are methods that do not involve physical pain. But Conservatives want their pound of flesh more than real intelligence.

Mastertful bit of deflection and dissimulation.
Do you think sitting and asking nicely is going to produce actionable intelligence with committed terrorists?

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi rules!

 

[Nosmo King]

Mastertful bit of deflection and dissimulation.
Do you think sitting and asking nicely is going to produce actionable intelligence with committed terrorists?

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi rules!

When defeated, declare fallacy and abandon the field! The watermark of a simple minded Conservative.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi rules!

When defeated, declare fallacy and abandon the field! The watermark of a simple minded Conservative.

So when are you declaring fallacy? Because you've had your ass thoroughly beaten here. You failed to define torture in any reasonable way. You merely asserted what we did was torture without any argument why. You dismissed the extensive research the Bush Administration did on the question, probably without reading anything about it. You instantly sided with the Democrat-produced congressional report and of course ignore the minority report as well as comments by virtually all past CIA heads.
In all a sloppy partisan hack job thoroughly characteristic of a low information shithead like you.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Hey I got an idea whursmykeys.

How about I get to water board you for days on end. Looking for that "chip" that you hid. But you don't know that the chip got moved and you can't tell me where it is. No matter how many water boards you ride.

Are you being tortured then? If you don't have any information to give and keep on getting water boarded, is that
"torture"?

You make the call dude. You seem to be real sure water boarding isn't torture. But when you are being water boarded and can't tell anyone anything of value, what is it then?

ROFLMNAO!

Oh now THAT is more than I had dared to hope.

You, a 'liberal' instinctively turn a debriefing into an exercise in SADISM.

LOL! Anyone need anything else?

As is nearly ALWAYS the case, where the Left is crying about some 'crime' by Americans, they're telegraphing the perception which is based entirely upon their own tendencies. They are unprofessional, perverse sadists, so naturally, everyone else is a sadist.

See how that works? That should tell you all you need to know with regard to why Homosexuals would BANKRUPT and imprison an innocent person, who simply refused to participate in their faux-wedding.

And that is why it is so foolish to ever allow people infected with "Left-think" to even participate in the political process, let alone take an office which rest in public trust.

(Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.)

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi rules!

When defeated, declare fallacy and abandon the field! The watermark of a simple minded Conservative.

You had your ass handed to you.

Now if you deny that, simply point to ANY specific point made by you from the above discussion, that you feel remains standing.

And I'll explain to you why it is not. And rest assured, your disagreeing is irrelevant.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

It isn't a disagreement. It's you being wrong. Torture does not work. If you tortured someone who had your kid and was threatening to kill, you'd likely do more harm than good. It's an emotional reaction. It isn't an intelligent one.

And...keep your shit straight.

Again, we disagree............it's that simple..........

Der.....no. You are wrong. It isn't a disagreement when you are wrong. It is you being wrong. Identify it accurately please.

Wow, your argument continues to be: Torture doesnt work because torture doesnt work. Here's a link to some asshole saying that as well.
Opinion is not fact. Repeat that sentence about 1000 times and then come back to us.

Torture is a function of punishment, which may or may not serve a further purpose, such as gaining information.

It is in this very notion that the Left is dead ass wrong; they assume we were debriefing these prisoners, with a vengeance. We were not. We were making their life miserable, as a means to help them help us.

You see kids, they were more inclined to murder us. It seems they were indoctrinated to hate us. As a result they were not inclined to help us. So... we provided them with a couple of options.

- Continue to not help us and be VERY uncomfortable.

- Help us and comfort up.

As you saw with the death of Osama, KSM eventually took "DOOR #2!". As they all have... . As you would, as anyone you've ever met would.

The thing to recognize here is the deceptive nature of this 'Torture myth'. Its truly a subversive lie. Serving not just as a political wedge, but a political wedge that lends aid and comfort to our enemies.

The good news is that it serves as a beacon. Where ever we find the myth being perpetrated, we find one whose purpose is to aid and comfort our enemy, OKA: Our Enemy.

Now, that brings the answer to the most commonly asked question in the US Culture today: "How did our nation become so divided?" The answer to which is: "We allowed our enemy to have a voice, to promote their foreign ideas hostile to the principles that define and sustain our nation."

Simple stuff.

Nice fairy tale ...

ROFLMNAO! I do SO adore the sweeter ironies.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[Nosmo King]

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi rules!

When defeated, declare fallacy and abandon the field! The watermark of a simple minded Conservative.

You had your ass handed to you.

Now if you deny that, simply point to ANY specific point made by you from the above discussion, that you feel remains standing.

And I'll explain to you why it is not. And rest assured, your disagreeing is irrelevant.

Everything I said I stand by. Moving the goalposts is a tactic used by the small minded. And that's precisely what Rabbi has done time after time, post after post.

If you want to side with the dancing queen Rabbi, go right ahead. Apparently you did not read the posts.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You dismissed the extensive research the Bush Administration did on the question, probably without reading anything about it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi rules!

When defeated, declare fallacy and abandon the field! The watermark of a simple minded Conservative.

You had your ass handed to you.

Now if you deny that, simply point to ANY specific point made by you from the above discussion, that you feel remains standing.

And I'll explain to you why it is not. And rest assured, your disagreeing is irrelevant.

Everything I said I stand by. Moving the goalposts is a tactic used by the small minded. And that's precisely what Rabbi has done time after time, post after post.

If you want to side with the dancing queen Rabbi, go right ahead. Apparently you did not read the posts.

Apparently he did and you didnt.
Your definitions of torture are failures. I posted the Bush memos and why they laid out the case they did.
Your arguments are lame and fallacious. And yes, your ass has been handed to you.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Folks, do ya SEE how easy this is?

The Left DEMANDS that the Bush administration "Tortured" prisoners... then when asked for examples of torture, they are incapable of producing a SINGLE EXAMPLE of a SIGNLE PERSON BEING TORTURED BY ANY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Naturally, they need to redefine the word... which they've done for a lot of words:

Liberal
Gay
Progress
Hate
Racism... etc, etc... .

LOL! But they do the very BEST they can, bless they're little commie hearts.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You had your ass handed to you.

Now if you deny that, simply point to ANY specific point made by you from the above discussion, that you feel remains standing.

And I'll explain to you why it is not. And rest assured, your disagreeing is irrelevant.

Everything I said I stand by. Moving the goalposts is a tactic used by the small minded. And that's precisely what Rabbi has done time after time, post after post.

If you want to side with the dancing queen Rabbi, go right ahead. Apparently you did not read the posts.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

(See folks? They can't support a DAM' THING THEY SAY!)

 

[LoneLaugher]

Love for the Bush administration isn't true love. It is disguised embarrassment. You fuckers can't bring yourselves to admit what you helped being about.

 

[Camp]

Keep your sadism and we'll do just fine.

Let's first understand that the United States signed a treaty banning torture. Let us also understand that the United States prosecuted Japanese war criminals for the torture they committed. One specific use of torture named in the indictment of Japanese war criminals was water boarding! Imagine that! We prosecuted war criminals for water boarding.

As for how to get reliable, actionable intelligence? Let's ignore the Sadists that Cheney hired and then kept the American people in the dark about. Sadists don't get intelligence, they mete out revenge.

Let's instead listen to the experts who have interrogated suspects and have garnered real, actionable intelligence. There are methods that do not involve physical pain. But Conservatives want their pound of flesh more than real intelligence.

Mastertful bit of deflection and dissimulation.
Do you think sitting and asking nicely is going to produce actionable intelligence with committed terrorists?

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

The torture defenders have decided a couple of Bush appointed lawyers had the authority to change the definition of torture set by decades of precedent established by decades of courts and military tribunals. The public officials defending the activity are the ones who implemented and executed it or have interest in protecting those officials. Nobody in the world believes that the US did not torture captives.

Again, we disagree............it's that simple..........

Der.....no. You are wrong. It isn't a disagreement when you are wrong. It is you being wrong. Identify it accurately please.

Wow, your argument continues to be: Torture doesnt work because torture doesnt work. Here's a link to some asshole saying that as well.
Opinion is not fact. Repeat that sentence about 1000 times and then come back to us.

Torture is a function of punishment, which may or may not serve a further purpose, such as gaining information.

It is in this very notion that the Left is dead ass wrong; they assume we were debriefing these prisoners, with a vengeance. We were not. We were making their life miserable, as a means to help them help us.

You see kids, they were more inclined to murder us. It seems they were indoctrinated to hate us. As a result they were not inclined to help us. So... we provided them with a couple of options.

- Continue to not help us and be VERY uncomfortable.

- Help us and comfort up.

As you saw with the death of Osama, KSM eventually took "DOOR #2!". As they all have... . As you would, as anyone you've ever met would.

The thing to recognize here is the deceptive nature of this 'Torture myth'. Its truly a subversive lie. Serving not just as a political wedge, but a political wedge that lends aid and comfort to our enemies.

The good news is that it serves as a beacon. Where ever we find the myth being perpetrated, we find one whose purpose is to aid and comfort our enemy, OKA: Our Enemy.

Now, that brings the answer to the most commonly asked question in the US Culture today: "How did our nation become so divided?" The answer to which is: "We allowed our enemy to have a voice, to promote their foreign ideas hostile to the principles that define and sustain our nation."

Simple stuff.

Nice fairy tale ...

ROFLMNAO! I do SO adore the sweeter ironies.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Your lame response of editing my post and leaving out the links is duly noted. Kind of weaselly and cowardly, don't you think?

 

[The Rabbi]

Mastertful bit of deflection and dissimulation.
Do you think sitting and asking nicely is going to produce actionable intelligence with committed terrorists?

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

The torture defenders have decided a couple of Bush appointed lawyers had the authority to change the definition of torture set by decades of precedent established by decades of courts and military tribunals. The public officials defending the activity are the ones who implemented and executed it or have interest in protecting those officials. Nobody in the world believes that the US did not torture captives.

Der.....no. You are wrong. It isn't a disagreement when you are wrong. It is you being wrong. Identify it accurately please.

Wow, your argument continues to be: Torture doesnt work because torture doesnt work. Here's a link to some asshole saying that as well.
Opinion is not fact. Repeat that sentence about 1000 times and then come back to us.

Torture is a function of punishment, which may or may not serve a further purpose, such as gaining information.

It is in this very notion that the Left is dead ass wrong; they assume we were debriefing these prisoners, with a vengeance. We were not. We were making their life miserable, as a means to help them help us.

You see kids, they were more inclined to murder us. It seems they were indoctrinated to hate us. As a result they were not inclined to help us. So... we provided them with a couple of options.

- Continue to not help us and be VERY uncomfortable.

- Help us and comfort up.

As you saw with the death of Osama, KSM eventually took "DOOR #2!". As they all have... . As you would, as anyone you've ever met would.

The thing to recognize here is the deceptive nature of this 'Torture myth'. Its truly a subversive lie. Serving not just as a political wedge, but a political wedge that lends aid and comfort to our enemies.

The good news is that it serves as a beacon. Where ever we find the myth being perpetrated, we find one whose purpose is to aid and comfort our enemy, OKA: Our Enemy.

Now, that brings the answer to the most commonly asked question in the US Culture today: "How did our nation become so divided?" The answer to which is: "We allowed our enemy to have a voice, to promote their foreign ideas hostile to the principles that define and sustain our nation."

Simple stuff.

Nice fairy tale ...

ROFLMNAO! I do SO adore the sweeter ironies.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Your lame response of editing my post and leaving out the links is duly noted. Kind of weaselly and cowardly, don't you think?

More assertion without proof.

 

[Camp]

Of course they do.

They are all handwringers and are more worred about what others think of them than getting intelligence to fight those bastards.

God forbid that we waterboard some dirtbag to get intelligence. All three of the "victim" of waterboarding survived and are probably still at that vacationland known as Gitmo unless, of course, if Barry let them go home to fight again.

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

The torture defenders have decided a couple of Bush appointed lawyers had the authority to change the definition of torture set by decades of precedent established by decades of courts and military tribunals. The public officials defending the activity are the ones who implemented and executed it or have interest in protecting those officials. Nobody in the world believes that the US did not torture captives.

Wow, your argument continues to be: Torture doesnt work because torture doesnt work. Here's a link to some asshole saying that as well.
Opinion is not fact. Repeat that sentence about 1000 times and then come back to us.

Torture is a function of punishment, which may or may not serve a further purpose, such as gaining information.

It is in this very notion that the Left is dead ass wrong; they assume we were debriefing these prisoners, with a vengeance. We were not. We were making their life miserable, as a means to help them help us.

You see kids, they were more inclined to murder us. It seems they were indoctrinated to hate us. As a result they were not inclined to help us. So... we provided them with a couple of options.

- Continue to not help us and be VERY uncomfortable.

- Help us and comfort up.

As you saw with the death of Osama, KSM eventually took "DOOR #2!". As they all have... . As you would, as anyone you've ever met would.

The thing to recognize here is the deceptive nature of this 'Torture myth'. Its truly a subversive lie. Serving not just as a political wedge, but a political wedge that lends aid and comfort to our enemies.

The good news is that it serves as a beacon. Where ever we find the myth being perpetrated, we find one whose purpose is to aid and comfort our enemy, OKA: Our Enemy.

Now, that brings the answer to the most commonly asked question in the US Culture today: "How did our nation become so divided?" The answer to which is: "We allowed our enemy to have a voice, to promote their foreign ideas hostile to the principles that define and sustain our nation."

Simple stuff.

Nice fairy tale ...

ROFLMNAO! I do SO adore the sweeter ironies.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Your lame response of editing my post and leaving out the links is duly noted. Kind of weaselly and cowardly, don't you think?

More assertion without proof.

Proof? I see three words of my post. If it wasn't edited were is the rest of it?

 

[Camp]

Again, we disagree............it's that simple..........

Der.....no. You are wrong. It isn't a disagreement when you are wrong. It is you being wrong. Identify it accurately please.

Wow, your argument continues to be: Torture doesnt work because torture doesnt work. Here's a link to some asshole saying that as well.
Opinion is not fact. Repeat that sentence about 1000 times and then come back to us.

Torture is a function of punishment, which may or may not serve a further purpose, such as gaining information.

It is in this very notion that the Left is dead ass wrong; they assume we were debriefing these prisoners, with a vengeance. We were not. We were making their life miserable, as a means to help them help us.

You see kids, they were more inclined to murder us. It seems they were indoctrinated to hate us. As a result they were not inclined to help us. So... we provided them with a couple of options.

- Continue to not help us and be VERY uncomfortable.

- Help us and comfort up.

As you saw with the death of Osama, KSM eventually took "DOOR #2!". As they all have... . As you would, as anyone you've ever met would.

The thing to recognize here is the deceptive nature of this 'Torture myth'. Its truly a subversive lie. Serving not just as a political wedge, but a political wedge that lends aid and comfort to our enemies.

The good news is that it serves as a beacon. Where ever we find the myth being perpetrated, we find one whose purpose is to aid and comfort our enemy, OKA: Our Enemy.

Now, that brings the answer to the most commonly asked question in the US Culture today: "How did our nation become so divided?" The answer to which is: "We allowed our enemy to have a voice, to promote their foreign ideas hostile to the principles that define and sustain our nation."

Simple stuff.

Nice fairy tale, but all you have in that fairy tale is uneducated rambling to defend a failed educing process. The techniques used at the behest of the Bush administration was in fact a dismal failure. They ignored CIA, FBI and military experts in the area of interrogation and parsed the job out to inexperienced amateurs who lost opportunities to gain reliable and actionable intelligence and in the process created recruitment and propaganda assets to our enemies.
It's not as if we don't know how to illicit information from captives. The subject has been studied and those specially trained with doing the job know how to do it. The defenders of torture techniques and techniques that cause physical discomfort confuse and defer to battlefield techniques that might be used by soldiers to obtain immediate results with skilled techniques used by experts to obtain actionable intelligence that can be used on a broader scale. When torture is used by soldiers in the fog of combat and for immediate life and death purposes, the activity is illegal, but it might be, and often is, ignored and overlooked. Applying torture once a captive is introduced to official captive status under control of officers is a whole different situation.
If torture techniques actually worked, there would probably be far less controversy and debate about it's use. The defenders of torture and those who try to redefine torture base their opinions on speculation and misinformation. They do not base their opinions of empirical data and conclusive research, or results. Portraying those who object to torture as wimps and anti American and pro terrorist stooges is just a ploy being used to shield the ignorance of the defenders of torture. It is a way a burying ones head in the sand and choosing to remain stupid on the topic rather than going though the effort of educating ones self of the topic beyond what is preached to them by politicians and pundits with political agenda's. Putting stupid and foolish policies in place is what makes us weak.
Below is a link to a comprehensive study from the National Defense Intelligence College.

fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf

Here is a report about the negative results when torture techniques are used. It comes from the Strategic Studies Institute, US Army.

strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/articles/06summer/dimarco.pdf

Awesome.

Oh, there it is.

 

[Derideo_Te]

we did not get the intelligence you think we got. Reading the report rather than reacting in some Sadistic zeal would change the picture for you. Do you have the willingness and the ability to really read the report?

We also know that torture is a crime. The United States signed the treaty. Are you in favor of breaking the law?

We know that Japanese war criminals were charged with torture of American POWs. Are you in favor of committing the same war crimes as our enemies?

We realize that Al Qeada and ISIS are ruthless, cruel and act with impunity. Do you favor abandoning American ideals and ethics and adopting the ethics and morals of savages? .

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

The torture defenders have decided a couple of Bush appointed lawyers had the authority to change the definition of torture set by decades of precedent established by decades of courts and military tribunals. The public officials defending the activity are the ones who implemented and executed it or have interest in protecting those officials. Nobody in the world believes that the US did not torture captives.

Torture is a function of punishment, which may or may not serve a further purpose, such as gaining information.

It is in this very notion that the Left is dead ass wrong; they assume we were debriefing these prisoners, with a vengeance. We were not. We were making their life miserable, as a means to help them help us.

You see kids, they were more inclined to murder us. It seems they were indoctrinated to hate us. As a result they were not inclined to help us. So... we provided them with a couple of options.

- Continue to not help us and be VERY uncomfortable.

- Help us and comfort up.

As you saw with the death of Osama, KSM eventually took "DOOR #2!". As they all have... . As you would, as anyone you've ever met would.

The thing to recognize here is the deceptive nature of this 'Torture myth'. Its truly a subversive lie. Serving not just as a political wedge, but a political wedge that lends aid and comfort to our enemies.

The good news is that it serves as a beacon. Where ever we find the myth being perpetrated, we find one whose purpose is to aid and comfort our enemy, OKA: Our Enemy.

Now, that brings the answer to the most commonly asked question in the US Culture today: "How did our nation become so divided?" The answer to which is: "We allowed our enemy to have a voice, to promote their foreign ideas hostile to the principles that define and sustain our nation."

Simple stuff.

Nice fairy tale ...

ROFLMNAO! I do SO adore the sweeter ironies.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Your lame response of editing my post and leaving out the links is duly noted. Kind of weaselly and cowardly, don't you think?

More assertion without proof.

Proof? I see three words of my post. If it wasn't edited were is the rest of it?

Try clicking on the words "click to expand"!

 

[Iceweasel]

Love for the Bush administration isn't true love. It is disguised embarrassment. You fuckers can't bring yourselves to admit what you helped being about.

I think you guys secretly love W. The way he smiles. The way he winks at you. He makes you feel a little funny inside. You voice the hatred but when you are alone you feel all confused. How can it be? Could you possibly be, against what your friends and family wants...a... gulp...Republican?

Would they still respect you if you came out? What if you married a Republican? Would you still be invited to dinner? And if you were, would you see shame in their eyes?

 

[Camp]

Have your ead the report? Who wrote that report? Should be an easy response.
Torture is a crime. What we did is not torture. It is interrogation. The Bush Administration carefully researched the parameters of torture vs interrogation and relied on expert opinion from their Justice Department (something Obama does not do) before setting out policy guidelines. You knew that, right?
Do you favor continued attacks by al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups? How do you propose gathering intelligence to stop them if not by using humint?

What the Bush Administration knew and what they told Congress (in effect what they told the American people) did not match up with all those protocols, which were merely window dressing for the torturous acts.

Torture, as I have said now for the fourth time, is using physical pain as a means of interrogation. We used the same method Japanese war criminals used against American POWs during World War II. We were able to recognize torture in 1945. Why can't you recognize it in 2014?

The torture defenders have decided a couple of Bush appointed lawyers had the authority to change the definition of torture set by decades of precedent established by decades of courts and military tribunals. The public officials defending the activity are the ones who implemented and executed it or have interest in protecting those officials. Nobody in the world believes that the US did not torture captives.

Nice fairy tale ...

ROFLMNAO! I do SO adore the sweeter ironies.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Your lame response of editing my post and leaving out the links is duly noted. Kind of weaselly and cowardly, don't you think?

More assertion without proof.

Proof? I see three words of my post. If it wasn't edited were is the rest of it?

Try clicking on the words "click to expand"!

I was referring to post #347 where mr. keys physically deleted the body of my post and only quoted the first three words.