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Gaza is a victim of Hamas though. NOT ISRAEL. How could their plight be blamed on Israel? They would not even be living in Gaza if Israel had not evicted her own people and given them that land, Tinmore! Do you realize that?!

It wasn't Israel's to give.




It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.




According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This law has not been repealed and the treaty gives the coordinates of the borders, which include gaza, west bank and all of Jerusalem and the Golan heights.



Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory
PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.​


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.
 
Gaza is a victim of Hamas though. NOT ISRAEL. How could their plight be blamed on Israel? They would not even be living in Gaza if Israel had not evicted her own people and given them that land, Tinmore! Do you realize that?!

It wasn't Israel's to give.




It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.

It did before Sharon gave it away.

Gaza never "belonged" to Israel.
Gaza is a victim of Hamas though. NOT ISRAEL. How could their plight be blamed on Israel? They would not even be living in Gaza if Israel had not evicted her own people and given them that land, Tinmore! Do you realize that?!

It wasn't Israel's to give.




It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.

That was the turning point I believe. Because the people could have had such a wonderful future had they only accepted those gifts from the Israelis. Instead they were told to destroy the homes that were built for them, all the blessings given them by the Jews and to wait instead for the opportunity to drive the Jews into the sea. If the people were not in dire straits it would not have been convincing to the world that there was any lack or need. There was an agenda and this is why I say that these people have been kept captive by their own leaders for far too long. They have been used as political pawns. What has happened to them is very troubling. VERY.

And one day when the veil is removed? We'll see the Vatican was behind it all. From the very beginning. What a day that will be, eh?

How can you steal something from someone and then call giving it back a gift?






So you don't see giving back the land you stole as being a gift then.

By the way how can you steal something that is yours in the first place ?
 
Gaza is a victim of Hamas though. NOT ISRAEL. How could their plight be blamed on Israel? They would not even be living in Gaza if Israel had not evicted her own people and given them that land, Tinmore! Do you realize that?!

It wasn't Israel's to give.




It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.

It did before Sharon gave it away.

No, it was legally "Occupied Territory". It wasn't Sharon's to give away.





Nor was it UN property to give away, yet you seem to think it was when the UN said that the arab muslims could have the Jewish land. As the arab muslims rejected the partition plan then the whole should have went to Israel.
 
It's humerous watching people trying to define a thief as "generous" because he chose to give back some of what he stole.





Who stole what from whom is the question that needs answering. When did the arab muslims acquire sovereignty over the land and how was it granted ?
 
Gaza is a victim of Hamas though. NOT ISRAEL. How could their plight be blamed on Israel? They would not even be living in Gaza if Israel had not evicted her own people and given them that land, Tinmore! Do you realize that?!

It wasn't Israel's to give.




It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.




According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This law has not been repealed and the treaty gives the coordinates of the borders, which include gaza, west bank and all of Jerusalem and the Golan heights.



Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory
PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.​


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.
According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home.​

Not true. The Jews were allowed to live in Palestine as Palestinians with the other Palestinian citizens.
 
It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.

It did before Sharon gave it away.

No, it was legally "Occupied Territory". It wasn't Sharon's to give away.

It was the moment they were stupid enough to give it away by starting a war impossible for them to win.:biggrin::biggrin:

Who are you trying to fool, Lipush? If it weren't for American and European "aid", the Muslims would've reduced Israel to dust years ago.






When did this aid start again as I remember reading that Israel received no aid from the US until the late 1970's and has had none from Europe ever.
 
That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.

It did before Sharon gave it away.

No, it was legally "Occupied Territory". It wasn't Sharon's to give away.

It was the moment they were stupid enough to give it away by starting a war impossible for them to win.:biggrin::biggrin:

Who are you trying to fool, Lipush? If it weren't for American and European "aid", the Muslims would've reduced Israel to dust years ago.






When did this aid start again as I remember reading that Israel received no aid from the US until the late 1970's and has had none from Europe ever.

Israel gets plenty of guilt money from Germany. They even got two discounted MEKO-class warships from them, too.
 
It did before Sharon gave it away.

No, it was legally "Occupied Territory". It wasn't Sharon's to give away.

It was the moment they were stupid enough to give it away by starting a war impossible for them to win.:biggrin::biggrin:

Nah, nothing was given away...even stupidity doesn't equal that ;)

Why should I give away something I gained in a fair battle, battled that I was never after, that was forced on me?

That's a deep question.

Indeed. It's a question covered by international law so we don't have to think too deeply :D





tah did not come into force until after the end of the 1867 war, so meaning that Israel owned the land. As a goodwill gesture to the UN Israel decided to forego their right to hold onto war booty and instead occupied the land. If they had a time macine they would go back and flatten both places and rebuild anew.
 
Do you believe it is important to support Israel with our prayers, our time, our resources? Are you in favor of standing by those who are allies to America and blessing them as they have blessed us? Weeping with a nation who is under attack and remembering that they wept with us on 9/11? I support Israel and believe she should be supported by the American people. How about you? Do you believe in supporting Israel or no?

Yes, we should support Israel

-Geaux
 
Gaza is a victim of Hamas though. NOT ISRAEL. How could their plight be blamed on Israel? They would not even be living in Gaza if Israel had not evicted her own people and given them that land, Tinmore! Do you realize that?!

It wasn't Israel's to give.




It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.




According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This law has not been repealed and the treaty gives the coordinates of the borders, which include gaza, west bank and all of Jerusalem and the Golan heights.



Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory
PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.​


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.
According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home.​

Not true. The Jews were allowed to live in Palestine as Palestinians with the other Palestinian citizens.




In their NATIONal home that the land was granted for. The arab muslims received the lions share and called it Jordan.

The facts are above and you have never disproved them.
 
It did before Sharon gave it away.

No, it was legally "Occupied Territory". It wasn't Sharon's to give away.

It was the moment they were stupid enough to give it away by starting a war impossible for them to win.:biggrin::biggrin:

Who are you trying to fool, Lipush? If it weren't for American and European "aid", the Muslims would've reduced Israel to dust years ago.






When did this aid start again as I remember reading that Israel received no aid from the US until the late 1970's and has had none from Europe ever.

Israel gets plenty of guilt money from Germany. They even got two discounted MEKO-class warships from them, too.





Which are very recent, so when did the Aid start again that you claim stopped the muslims from wiping them out. 3 times the muslims tried and failed before Israel received any aid from anyone.
 
It wasn't Israel's to give.




It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.




According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This law has not been repealed and the treaty gives the coordinates of the borders, which include gaza, west bank and all of Jerusalem and the Golan heights.



Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory
PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.​


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.
According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home.​

Not true. The Jews were allowed to live in Palestine as Palestinians with the other Palestinian citizens.




In their NATIONal home that the land was granted for. The arab muslims received the lions share and called it Jordan.

The facts are above and you have never disproved them.
The Palestinians did not get any part of Jordan.
 
Do you believe it is important to support Israel with our prayers, our time, our resources? Are you in favor of standing by those who are allies to America and blessing them as they have blessed us? Weeping with a nation who is under attack and remembering that they wept with us on 9/11? I support Israel and believe she should be supported by the American people. How about you? Do you believe in supporting Israel or no?
Of course I support Israel. Opponents of them (including one in my own family) are deranged by propaganda that calls Israel an occupier. Nonsense! Before Hamas started firing rockets at Israel, there wasn't a single Israeli in Gaza, and who ever said this land belonged to the Palestinans, or any Muslim group ?

Muslims have been in existence for 1400 years. Jews lived on this land for centuries B.C. Not only is Israel (all of it) properly Jewish land, so is almost the whole Middle East, which only is Muslim because of the uncivilized, barbaric savages calling themselves Muslims, who rampaged across the continent, slaughtering people, like ISIS is doing now.

Palestine was British territory before Irgun scum started biting the hand that saved and fed them. Imperial forces marched on the Nazis, freed the Jews and saved them from leaky ships they took to what is now called Israel. How were we thanked? Kidnappings, terrorism and, ultimately, the King David Hotel bombing. We didn't hang enough of the ungrateful bastards.





Get your facts right and stop posting Jew hatred

The land was LoN not British. And the British started by sending the Jews to concentration camps hoping they would die, that was after the war ended. Before this the British refused to allow any Jew asylum in Britain and sent them back to die in Europe. That is why the Jews retaliated against the anti semitic British who were carrying on the Nazi's final solution.

And yes I am british and ashamed of what my country did from 1933 to 1948 when they allowed 7 million Jews to be mass murdered. Did you know that the arab muslims under the mufti started terrorist attacks on the British from 1931 and it was as a result of these that Britain handed in the Mandate
 
It's humerous watching people trying to define a thief as "generous" because he chose to give back some of what he stole.

It hilarious how you think I should give back something that I gained fair and square. Tell me, genius, if someone pounces at me with a knife, I snatch the knife away while defending myself, the other one cries, "Hey, my momma inherited that knife, give if back." and of course I do...because it's fair. I mean, it is. who cares if I'm gonna be stabbed with it.

That's just how things work in a world of stupid.

Tell me genius, why is it the civilized world doesn't go along with that spoiled child logic? Where in international law does it say to the victor go the spoils? These are agreements Israel is party to as well. It did not belong to Israel - there was no generosity in giving it back. Look up the definition "Occupied Territory".




Before 1948 this was the International law, and it was how the allies carved up most of Europe
 
Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.
So the rules are different if israel is involved. Seems to be a common answer for israel apologists





That is right when ever international law supports Israel's actions it is hastily swept under the carpet and fake laws put in its place. It is against international law for the Palestinians to fire illegal rockets it Israel, yet they are not the subject of a UN resolution. Israel retaliated to the rockets and within hours the UN has passed a resolution condemning them for daring to defend themselves.
 
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Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.
So the rules are different if israel is involved. Seems to be a common answer for israel apologists





That is right when ever international law supports Israel's actions it is hastily swept under the carpet and fake laws put in its place. It is against international law for the Palestinians to fire illegal rockets it Israel, yet they are not the subject of a UN resolution. Israel retaliated to the rockets and within hours the UN has passed a resolution condemning them for daring to defend themselves.
Occupations always have problems with security.

It comes with the territory.
 
Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.





Then do explain why Israel has handed back every piece of land outside of that granted by international law in 1923. Land that would swallow Israel twice over and some. Then explain why you don't want International law of 1923 and 1949 to apply to Israel and its land
 
It wasn't Egypt's to take and imprison the population either was it, and when Israel occupied gaza in 1967 they released the prisoners and built them schools, homes, mosques, hospitals and surgeries.


That's a nice deflection but it doesn't alter the facts - Gaza did not belong to Israel.




According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This law has not been repealed and the treaty gives the coordinates of the borders, which include gaza, west bank and all of Jerusalem and the Golan heights.



Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory
PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.​


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.
According to international law of 1923 the land was granted to the Jews as their NATIONal home.​

Not true. The Jews were allowed to live in Palestine as Palestinians with the other Palestinian citizens.




In their NATIONal home that the land was granted for. The arab muslims received the lions share and called it Jordan.

The facts are above and you have never disproved them.
The Palestinians did not get any part of Jordan.




Didn't they then why was it called arab Palestine, and why was it originally part of the mandate of Palestine until it was taken as a separate issue ? The ruler of Jordan was a Saudi prince, but his subjects were all arab Palestinians .


Unless you can find a link proving this wrong ?
 
Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.
So the rules are different if israel is involved. Seems to be a common answer for israel apologists





That is right when ever international law supports Israel's actions it is hastily swept under the carpet and fake laws put in its place. It is against international law for the Palestinians to fire illegal rockets it Israel, yet they are not the subject of a UN resolution. Israel retaliated to the rockets and within hours the UN has passed a resolution condemning them for daring to defend themselves.
Occupations always have problems with security.

It comes with the territory.




And the arab muslims are finding this out to their detriment. Time for the ICC/ICJ to rule once and for all on the legality of Palestine as a nation.
 

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