Israel... friend or foe?

[TruthSeeker112125]

Does that mean Israel is justified in murdering and stealing land from indigenous peoples?

I didn't state that.

But Biblically, that land is promised not only to the "Jews"/"Yudah", but also to the "House of Yisrael".

And Biblically,.... The "House of Yudah", and the "House of Yisrael", have not yet Re-united, nor is the "House of Yisrael" in the land of Yisrael.

And, "Biblically",..... Those who now hold the Power, Politically, & Religiously , in the land of Yisrael, are not "in line", with the Scriptural "Sons of Zadok". Those who hold the power are devout "Talmudists".

 

[eagle1462010]

Does that mean Israel is justified in murdering and stealing land from indigenous peoples?

In a War? Oh yes absolutely.

They are too nice about.

But from the River to the Sea huh?

 

[Kruska]

Jews have been persecuted ever since the destruction of the temple in 70AD.

No - If you listen to radical religious Jews, they will tell you they have been persecuted the day they were told by God to be his chosen ones. Starting with that self-written book that came up with this fictitious Moses and Israelite's that had been taken away from their "holy land" to live as slaves in Egypt - building Pyramids.

That is where this whole "persecution story" takes it's roots - till today. Off course immensely aided by factual persecution by the Roman Catholic Church, pogroms in Czarist Russia and lastly by the 12 years lasting Nazi Regime.

Regarding YOUR above comment - Jews were NOT persecuted by the Romans upon the destruction of their rebellion in Syrian Palestine - but were unmolested - and thrived and prospered throughout the Roman Empire. Only their "Jesus" sect was being persecuted by the Romans. Upon Constantin declaring the new separatist "Jewish" religion to be the State religion - now termed "Christian" (based on the Latin word for crazy noisy religious people - "Chrestian", a mocking name used by Roman Plebeians, for the Greek term for "anointed one" Christos and the Latin suffix -ianus (meaning "adherent of").

Upon this former Jewish sect splitting from Eastern Rome aka Constantinople into another sect placing their HQ to Rome - this "Paul's sect" - then proclaimed to be the true followers of Jesus Christ, and stated in their self-written book that the true followers are called Catholics (universal Christians) and as such Jesus and his father (now a Christian God) are the only true religion.

 

[The Irish Ram]

.anybody know how to resurrect the dead

Yeah, and He said:
I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you.
So that's a no for war with Israel.
And there is no reason to destroy Iran. The Iranian people want freedom. Us helping them to that end and making sure that 11 nuclear bombs won't be made is great. The unfunding of Hamas and Hezbollah and ISIS is also great.
If the people are successful and become a democracy, again we can help with good trade relations, and other areas of need.

 

[gipper]

I didn't state that.

But Biblically, that land is promised not only to the "Jews"/"Yudah", but also to the "House of Yisrael".

And Biblically,.... The "House of Yudah", and the "House of Yisrael", have not yet Re-united, nor is the "House of Yisrael" in the land of Yisrael.

And, "Biblically",..... Those who now hold the Power, Politically, & Religiously , in the land of Yisrael, are not "in line", with the Scriptural "Sons of Zadok". Those who hold the power are devout "Talmudists".

So you do think Israel is justified in committing genocide and stealing land, because of the Bible.

You’re nuts!

 

[gipper]

Yeah, and He said:
I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you.
So that's a no for war with Israel.
And there is no reason to destroy Iran. The Iranian people want freedom. Us helping them to that end and making sure that 11 nuclear bombs won't be made is great. The unfunding of Hamas and Hezbollah and ISIS is also great.
If the people are successful and become a democracy, again we can help with good trade relations, and other areas of need.

Do you really think Jesus supports your desire to exterminate Arabs and Muslims?

 

[eagle1462010]

So you do think Israel is justified in committing genocide and stealing land, because of the Bible.

You’re nuts!

What Genocide?

 

[Lisa558]

No - If you listen to radical religious Jews, they will tell you they have been persecuted the day they were told by God to be his chosen ones. Starting with that self-written book that came up with this fictitious Moses and Israelite's that had been taken away from their "holy land" to live as slaves in Egypt - building Pyramids.

That is where this whole "persecution story" takes it's roots - till today. Off course immensely aided by factual persecution by the Roman Catholic Church, pogroms in Czarist Russia and lastly by the 12 years lasting Nazi Regime.

Regarding YOUR above comment - Jews were NOT persecuted by the Romans upon the destruction of their rebellion in Syrian Palestine - but were unmolested - and thrived and prospered throughout the Roman Empire. Only their "Jesus" sect was being persecuted by the Romans. Upon Constantin declaring the new separatist "Jewish" religion to be the State religion - now termed "Christian" (based on the Latin word for crazy noisy religious people - "Chrestian", a mocking name used by Roman Plebeians, for the Greek term for "anointed one" Christos and the Latin suffix -ianus (meaning "adherent of").

Upon this former Jewish sect splitting from Eastern Rome aka Constantinople into another sect placing their HQ to Rome - this "Paul's sect" - then proclaimed to be the true followers of Jesus Christ, and stated in their self-written book that the true followers are called Catholics (universal Christians) and as such Jesus and his father (now a Christian God) are the only true religion.

Wow, No contempt for Jewish people here! ^^^

 

[gipper]

Wow, No contempt for Jewish people here! ^^^

Is this Jew, who’s parents suffered in the Warsaw Ghetto, an antisemite?

 

[gipper]

Wow, No contempt for Jewish people here! ^^^

Is this American Jew also an antisemite?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Do you really think Jesus supports your desire to exterminate Arabs and Muslims?

Do you really think Jesus supports Muslims killing God's Chosen? Because God is going to hook them in and crush them:

Ezekiel 38:22 With pestilence and with bloodshed I will enter into judgment with Gog; and I will rain on him torrents of rain with [great] hailstones, fire and brimstone on his hordes and on the many nations that are with him.

Ezekiel 39:1-29 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. And I will turn you about and drive you forward, and bring you up from the uttermost parts of the north, and lead you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand, and will make your arrows drop out of your right hand. You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your hordes and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. You shall fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Lord God.

Apparently you missed the part about Jesus returning as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. It isn't Him supporting me, it is me supporting Him and Israel.

So, do you really think Jesus supports the Muslim's desire to exterminate the Jews?

 

[gipper]

Do you really think Jesus supports Muslims killing God's Chosen? Because God is going to hook them in and crush them:

Ezekiel 38:22 With pestilence and with bloodshed I will enter into judgment with Gog; and I will rain on him torrents of rain with [great] hailstones, fire and brimstone on his hordes and on the many nations that are with him.

Ezekiel 39:1-29 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. And I will turn you about and drive you forward, and bring you up from the uttermost parts of the north, and lead you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand, and will make your arrows drop out of your right hand. You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your hordes and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. You shall fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Lord God.

Apparently you missed the part about Jesus returning as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. It isn't Him supporting me, it is me supporting Him and Israel.

So, do you really think Jesus supports the Muslim's desire to exterminate the Jews?

Since when do governments impose the religious beliefs espoused by dumb asses like you?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Since when do governments impose the religious beliefs espoused by dumb asses like you?

Why do you want to kill Jews?

 

[gipper]

Why do you want to kill Jews?

I don’t, but you want all Muslims and Arabs killed. Down you go!!!

 

[JanetTheGreat]

So you do think Israel is justified in committing genocide and stealing land, because of the Bible.

You’re nuts!

These people are insane - using the Bible and the name "Jesus" to defend genocide.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I don’t, but you want all Muslims and Arabs killed.

Yes you do. You've made that quite clear...

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

No - If you listen to radical religious Jews, they will tell you they have been persecuted the day they were told by God to be his chosen ones. Starting with that self-written book that came up with this fictitious Moses and Israelite's that had been taken away from their "holy land" to live as slaves in Egypt - building Pyramids.

That is where this whole "persecution story" takes it's roots - till today. Off course immensely aided by factual persecution by the Roman Catholic Church, pogroms in Czarist Russia and lastly by the 12 years lasting Nazi Regime.

Regarding YOUR above comment - Jews were NOT persecuted by the Romans upon the destruction of their rebellion in Syrian Palestine - but were unmolested - and thrived and prospered throughout the Roman Empire. Only their "Jesus" sect was being persecuted by the Romans. Upon Constantin declaring the new separatist "Jewish" religion to be the State religion - now termed "Christian" (based on the Latin word for crazy noisy religious people - "Chrestian", a mocking name used by Roman Plebeians, for the Greek term for "anointed one" Christos and the Latin suffix -ianus (meaning "adherent of").

Upon this former Jewish sect splitting from Eastern Rome aka Constantinople into another sect placing their HQ to Rome - this "Paul's sect" - then proclaimed to be the true followers of Jesus Christ, and stated in their self-written book that the true followers are called Catholics (universal Christians) and as such Jesus and his father (now a Christian God) are the only true religion.

"No - If you listen to radical religious Jews,"

I "Listen" to both sides of a Debate, & I Question both sides of a "Truth".

Kruska,.... I've been researching a great deal about "Man's Religions" for decades, & that includes the various Sects of "Judaism". My Data comes from many Reputable, & Verifiable Sources. The Jews, have been "Persecuted" for Centuries, especially after the Destruction of the Third Temple, & that "Info" can be verified via the "Secular Reputable Sources".

I could add much more to this BUT,.... The "Real World is Demanding Attention, so I have to get off Th' Net.

 

[Kruska]

"No - If you listen to radical religious Jews,"

I "Listen" to both sides of a Debate, & I Question both sides of a "Truth".

Kruska,.... I've been researching a great deal about "Man's Religions" for decades, & that includes the various Sects of "Judaism". My Data comes from many Reputable, & Verifiable Sources. The Jews, have been "Persecuted" for Centuries, especially after the Destruction of the Third Temple, & that "Info" can be verified via the "Secular Reputable Sources".

I could add much more to this BUT,.... The "Real World is Demanding Attention, so I have to get off Th' Net.

You are welcomed to rejoin this debate after the "real world" permits you to forward EVIDENCE to your claim.
And try to refrain from polemic terms like "persecution".

There was no significant (worth mentioning) persecution of Jews from the Romans having put a stop to Jewish rebellions in 135 A.D.
Suppression reappeared via the Codex Theodosianus in 438 A.D. - that was only directed at Jews being forbidden to hold government office and the denial of building Synagogues - additionally Jews were barred from converting to Christianity.

And this wasn't "a persecution of Jews" but at the most a suppression towards Judaism. From the West and East-Roman view it was simply an action to stop the spread of Judaism via missionary activities, and laws such as forbidding Jews to own slaves, since they would circumcise them and thus possibly covert them to Judaism.

Whilst throughout the 2nd to 13th century - Jews were also given privilege rights. - and not just suppression of Judaism. The oldest Jewish community in today's Germany was in Cologne - where Jews had been elected via a Roman decree into the city council in around 370 A.D.

Factual Persecution of Jews in Europe only started to take place from the 13th century onward.

 

[eagle1462010]

These people are insane - using the Bible and the name "Jesus" to defend genocide.

What Genocide?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

You are welcomed to rejoin this debate after the "real world" permits you to forward EVIDENCE to your claim.
And try to refrain from polemic terms like "persecution".

There was no significant (worth mentioning) persecution of Jews from the Romans having put a stop to Jewish rebellions in 135 A.D.
Suppression reappeared via the Codex Theodosianus in 438 A.D. - that was only directed at Jews being forbidden to hold government office and the denial of building Synagogues - additionally Jews were barred from converting to Christianity.

And this wasn't "a persecution of Jews" but at the most a suppression towards Judaism. From the West and East-Roman view it was simply an action to stop the spread of Judaism via missionary activities, and laws such as forbidding Jews to own slaves, since they would circumcise them and thus possibly covert them to Judaism.

Whilst throughout the 2nd to 13th century - Jews were also given privilege rights. - and not just suppression of Judaism. The oldest Jewish community in today's Germany was in Cologne - where Jews had been elected via a Roman decree into the city council in around 370 A.D.

Factual Persecution of Jews in Europe only started to take place from the 13th century onward.

"You are welcomed to rejoin this debate".

I've not been removed from it.
And I'm fully aware of how to present Data etc.,in a Debate.
"There was no significant (worth mentioning) persecution of Jews from the Romans having put a stop to Jewish rebellions in 135 A.D."

That is Your Belief, which is not based by Historical Facts.

"Jews" many times, were accepted in areas that they had relocated to, and many times, those that had accepted them, eventually turned upon them, & persecuted them.