Support Israel? Yes or no?

[Phoenall]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.

In order for it to be theft, there needs to be an actual entity from which this was stolen. Look at the west bank, for instant. To who it beloged? Palestine? rubbish, of course, as there was never an actual state called Palestine. Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48. So if I didn't take it from any actual owner, since there was no owner of this, how can you call me a thief?

Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48.​

Whose land did Jordan occupy? If it was nobodies, why couldn't they just say it was theirs? And if it was nobodies, why is it occupied Palestinian territory now?

Exactly, which means that it must be Israeli land and the Palestinian declaration is invalid

So says Israel and nobody else.

SO SAYS INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT YOU IGNORE BECAUSE IT DESTROYS YOUR pov

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here's a creative propoganda response to Ayalon's video:

I asked for a list of 5 history books you've read; I'm still waiting.
You see, you are looking at this issue from a 2015 perspective and don't realize how many times Israel has had to capitulate and Arafat, etc... has turned down the offer.
Your history on this particular matter is ZERO and I'm NOT being sarcastic.

The Palestinians have never been offered their state.

Because it is no ones to offer, and this is were you fall down every time. They have to bite the bullet and go for broke and declare their state in full. Did Israel wait until they were given their nation NO. Did any of the mandated nations wait until they were given their state NO. So why should the Palestinians be any different ?

For the record the Palestinians were offered their state in 1947 and refused it. It was a one time offer never to be repeated and now they are whinging about their own stupidity.

Was there a state plan in 1947 or was it a partition plan. And what was it that they wanted to partition?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.

In order for it to be theft, there needs to be an actual entity from which this was stolen. Look at the west bank, for instant. To who it beloged? Palestine? rubbish, of course, as there was never an actual state called Palestine. Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48. So if I didn't take it from any actual owner, since there was no owner of this, how can you call me a thief?

Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48.​

Whose land did Jordan occupy? If it was nobodies, why couldn't they just say it was theirs? And if it was nobodies, why is it occupied Palestinian territory now?

Exactly, which means that it must be Israeli land and the Palestinian declaration is invalid

So says Israel and nobody else.

SO SAYS INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT YOU IGNORE BECAUSE IT DESTROYS YOUR pov

I don't ignore international law. You post stuff that does not say what you think.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It looks like the poll numbers are in! 17 people voted yes, we should support Israel and 13 people voted no we should not support Israel. To everyone who participated.........Thank you for your participation in this poll!

 

[Coyote]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.

In order for it to be theft, there needs to be an actual entity from which this was stolen. Look at the west bank, for instant. To who it beloged? Palestine? rubbish, of course, as there was never an actual state called Palestine. Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48. So if I didn't take it from any actual owner, since there was no owner of this, how can you call me a thief?

Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48.​

Whose land did Jordan occupy? If it was nobodies, why couldn't they just say it was theirs? And if it was nobodies, why is it occupied Palestinian territory now?

You cannot call occupation to something that is ownerless. And they (Jordan) never claimed it because it was never theirs, that's the things exactly. Why do their call it "Palestinian occupied territory"? for the same reason people belive Palestinians are originated in Philistines. Because they're misinformed.

The Palestinians are among the original inhabitants of the area. Arguing otherwise is as fruitless as arguing that Jews weren't among the original inhabitants. Those arguments resolve nothing except to feed hate.

 

[sealybobo]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.

In order for it to be theft, there needs to be an actual entity from which this was stolen. Look at the west bank, for instant. To who it beloged? Palestine? rubbish, of course, as there was never an actual state called Palestine. Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48. So if I didn't take it from any actual owner, since there was no owner of this, how can you call me a thief?

Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48.​

Whose land did Jordan occupy? If it was nobodies, why couldn't they just say it was theirs? And if it was nobodies, why is it occupied Palestinian territory now?

You cannot call occupation to something that is ownerless. And they (Jordan) never claimed it because it was never theirs, that's the things exactly. Why do their call it "Palestinian occupied territory"? for the same reason people belive Palestinians are originated in Philistines. Because they're misinformed.

The Palestinians are among the original inhabitants of the area. Arguing otherwise is as fruitless as arguing that Jews weren't among the original inhabitants. Those arguments resolve nothing except to feed hate.

Didn't Joe Lieberman turn his back on America and his constituents and side with George W. Bush on the Iraq war? This is why I stand with Israel. What role did Israel play in Joe's decisions? Us Democrats certainly didn't want to stay the course but Joe provided cover for George. Almost makes me glad Gore lost because then Lieberman would have been one bullet away from being President of the USA.

So the Jews are responsible for dividing us Democrats. The Jews, or Israel, is responsible for being partners with George W. Bush in the Iraq invasion I'm sure. If Jews control Hollywood and the Media, they certainly hid the fact that Bush lied this country into war with Iraq. So no I don't stand with Israel. They are a strategic partner with too much influence on our government.

 

[Coyote]

It may be propaganda, but it's doesn't mean it aint true. I believe the best propaganda is actual truth. You responded to the narrator instead of the content. Care to re-think that>

Propaganda contains seeds of truth, but it's distorted. The call to rename the "Occupied Territories" is a political push, not a legal one because the law doesn't support it.

Then the law should change according to reality, since reality is just like it, REAL, and it's not to be changed to the law's definitions.

Then you are saying it should be the law of the jungle - whomever is strongest and meanest can keep the land and toss the residents. I don't think that is a reality we want to go back to.

 

[Billo_Really]

There is only one solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict and that is Israel's victory over the ones calling for its destruction.

That's the lie you keep telling yourself, so you'll feel better about keeping your boot on their neck.

 

[Billo_Really]

Then you are saying it should be the law of the jungle - whomever is strongest and meanest can keep the land and toss the residents. I don't think that is a reality we want to go back to.

The old "might makes right" ideology.

 

[Billo_Really]

It looks like the poll numbers are in! 17 people voted yes, we should support Israel and 13 people voted no we should not support Israel. To everyone who participated.........Thank you for your participation in this poll!

Since I am 4 times the poster than anyone else here, my vote should be worth 4 votes.

So the voting results should be a tie.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It may be propaganda, but it's doesn't mean it aint true. I believe the best propaganda is actual truth. You responded to the narrator instead of the content. Care to re-think that>

Propaganda contains seeds of truth, but it's distorted. The call to rename the "Occupied Territories" is a political push, not a legal one because the law doesn't support it.

Then the law should change according to reality, since reality is just like it, REAL, and it's not to be changed to the law's definitions.

Then you are saying it should be the law of the jungle - whomever is strongest and meanest can keep the land and toss the residents. I don't think that is a reality we want to go back to.

Israel is a law free zone. It is kinda like the "wild west" of the Middle East.

 

[ogibillm]

The thing about Israel is if you take away religion and ethnicity and just look at the people - in other words if this was any nation other than israel - there's no way in hell any american would support them in their treatment of the palestinians.

 

[protectionist]

Tell me genius, why is it the civilized world doesn't go along with that spoiled child logic? Where in international law does it say to the victor go the spoils? These are agreements Israel is party to as well. It did not belong to Israel - there was no generosity in giving it back. Look up the definition "Occupied Territory".

Here's the definition of "Occupied Territory" > the whole Middle East, occupied by marauding, Muslim, uncivilized, barbaric savages. When none of it belonged to them, before they existed (in 622 AD)
(+ North Africa too)

 

[Coyote]

Tell me genius, why is it the civilized world doesn't go along with that spoiled child logic? Where in international law does it say to the victor go the spoils? These are agreements Israel is party to as well. It did not belong to Israel - there was no generosity in giving it back. Look up the definition "Occupied Territory".

Here's the definition of "Occupied Territory" > the whole Middle East, occupied by marauding, Muslim, uncivilized, barbaric savages. When none of it belonged to them, before they existed (in 622 AD)
(+ North Africa too)

Where'd you come from dude?

 

[protectionist]

The thing about Israel is if you take away religion and ethnicity and just look at the people - in other words if this was any nation other than israel - there's no way in hell any american would support them in their treatment of the palestinians.

I don't support Israel's treatment of the Palestinians/Hamas. Israel should have nuked them into 100% EXTERMINATION. (like you exterminate fleas)

 

[Coyote]

The thing about Israel is if you take away religion and ethnicity and just look at the people - in other words if this was any nation other than israel - there's no way in hell any american would support them in their treatment of the palestinians.

I don't support Israel's treatment of the Palestinians/Hamas. Israel should have nuked them into 100% EXTERMINATION. (like you exterminate fleas)

We realize you prefer Hitler's methodology. Saying it once is enough to make your point.

 

[protectionist]

Where'd you come from dude?

I don't know how you came up with that question, but if you must know, I just came here from Iraq, 2 weeks ago. Also spent some time in Afghanistan ? Any more questions ?

 

[protectionist]

We realize you prefer Hitler's methodology. Saying it once is enough to make your point.

Not hardly. Hitler was friends with the jihad dirtbags. He was just the opposite of what I prefer. Looks like you are the one similar to Hitler. Hate the Jews/Love the Muzzies. Right ?

And nuking wasn't Hitler's methodology. It was Truman's. Didn't you know ?

 

[Coyote]

We realize you prefer Hitler's methodology. Saying it once is enough to make your point.

Not hardly. Hitler was friends with the jihad dirtbags. He was just the opposite of what I prefer. Looks like you are the one similar to Hitler. Hate the Jews/Love the Muzzies. Right ?

And nuking wasn't Hitler's methodology. It was Truman's. Didn't you know ?

Your first statement was simple extermination, you added nuking as an extra perk later. Both you and he share a fondness for exterminating human life.

 

[Coyote]

Where'd you come from dude?

I don't know how you came up with that question, but if you must know, I just came here from Iraq, 2 weeks ago. Also spent some time in Afghanistan ? Any more questions ?

Just wondering when your ancestors invaded North America.